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Meddler rules. His mana generation is on par with a tier 2. All you have to do is accept that he could just to decide to add 3 skeletons a turn (or have the discipline to stop rolling after the first bones, but c’mon, it’s only a 1/3 chance, and if you roll the big mana you’ll turn it around, it’s practically certain…).
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Meddler is quite strong... unless you got enemies split into slimelets curse and/or spiky enemies curse. I learn that the hard way.
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Apr 16, 2024 21:29
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A lot of curses take meddler from "bad but averages out usually" to "your run is probably over if you don't get to replace them on the first level up"
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Apr 16, 2024 21:34
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I found a use for another level 0 item! This cantrip self damage can't activate if I don't have the mana to pay for it. 
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Apr 16, 2024 23:31
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Arzaac posted:I found a use for another level 0 item! I do love it when it happens. I had yearn which gives all Xs shield, heal, mana gain 0 along with Myco. For one mana, I could turn that side into gain a shield, health, and mana. Snake oil (addes engage to healing) also works great with the healing overflow hurts enemies item.
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Apr 17, 2024 00:51
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Arzaac posted:I found a use for another level 0 item! I had the cigarette thing where "single use become double-use" which did NOT work as I was hoping/expected. But then I also had the "blanks are 2 mana" spell and all was well for a bit.
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Apr 17, 2024 02:18
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Meddler's boney sides really should be single-use, it's kinda ridiculous how much they can gently caress things up
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Apr 17, 2024 02:30
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The compromise everyone will love: single-use, hyperboned
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Apr 17, 2024 03:17
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Got inflict boned on a shifter side, but unfortunately didn't stick around to see what would happen. Probably summon bones for the enemy team, now that I think about it!
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Apr 17, 2024 03:38
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i love taking the "tiny enemies +2 all sides" curse, because i think it's no big deal until i run into a bunch of gravestones. i have never not been surprised to re-realize this
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Apr 17, 2024 07:08
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redleader posted:i love taking the "tiny enemies +2 all sides" curse, because i think it's no big deal until i run into a bunch of gravestones. i have never not been surprised to re-realize this So would you say you're.... ...boned?  
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Apr 17, 2024 07:21
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Einwand posted:A lot of curses take meddler from "bad but averages out usually" to "your run is probably over if you don't get to replace them on the first level up" I think Meddler is the best T1 blue in a no-curse vacuum, but yeah there's some curses that make them a huge liability. Also monoblue with 4 Meddler and a Student (for Slice) is completely busted.
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Apr 17, 2024 16:40
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redleader posted:i love taking the "tiny enemies +2 all sides" curse, because i think it's no big deal until i run into a bunch of gravestones. i have never not been surprised to re-realize this Usually, it is a fight with 3+ wisp that shocks me.
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Apr 17, 2024 18:10
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Smiling Knight posted:Meddler rules. His mana generation is on par with a tier 2. All you have to do is accept that he could just to decide to add 3 skeletons a turn (or have the discipline to stop rolling after the first bones, but c’mon, it’s only a 1/3 chance, and if you roll the big mana you’ll turn it around, it’s practically certain…). i think meddler compounds too hard with a lot of curses to then consider adding 7 extra points of curses onto a run, and dilute the chance of upgrading out of him
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Apr 17, 2024 23:05
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RME posted:i think meddler compounds too hard with a lot of curses to then consider adding 7 extra points of curses onto a run, and dilute the chance of upgrading out of him Just get the stun lover one and seal away his bones side
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`{c:[16Z0c,1745c,14Z4c,31601,18Z2,326,1541,1614,1712,2060,2164,2241,4,14Z4c,1740c,1612c,1653c,1352,1753,1412,1512,1643,2052,2150,22Z5,4,1612c,1730c,1765c,14Z4c,1750c,1442,1563,1462,1844,1612,2052,21Z3,2231,4],d:{l:{m:[Alpha,Ghost,Basilisk]},m:[Big Hitter^6],n:13,p:{e:[Peaked Cap],h:[n2.147,n2.85f~Whey~Juice,g2.8d6,o2.4d8~Whiskey,y2.493~Ink Bottle~Tooth Necklace,r1.295]},sl:1},p:[10],s:2031323204,v:3018r}` Weird ability interaction: using the Green ability on the 1 HP character here restores 8 HP, not the expected 4. Is it picking up the Cruel modifier from the Tooth Necklace somehow? Edit: Also, the crescent shield isn't triggering the juice's Cleanse on the target it shields, but rather on the user. Probably something weird with Repel. Einander fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Apr 18, 2024 18:38
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Einander posted:
Thanks for posting the paste and clear description. These are both intended though maybe not intuitive. - selfcleanse is different from cleanse - that weird generated tactic is a heal ability and also has the heal keyword, pretty funny I've not seen it before.
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Apr 18, 2024 19:53
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vogonity posted:I've done a few Classic Brutal runs and was hoping to beat it before moving on to other modes, but the furthest I've gotten is like 14/20. I finally did it!  It felt weird turning down all of the T3 upgrades for Pilgrim, but he rules and I didn't want to give him up. Now I'm wondering if Classic Hell is possible, but really hoping it's not.
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Apr 18, 2024 20:02
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Nice, those are some chonky monsters.
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Tann posted:Thanks for posting the paste and clear description. These are both intended though maybe not intuitive. Oh, right, right. The juice got filed under "oh, I know this one" and I didn't look at it again. My bad. Thanks for the clarification on the other one, though, I didn't realize it'd work like that!
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I finally cleared a run on Cursed-Ultra and got that sweet +10 blessing, one of which was "add duplicate to the center four sides". Guess which side Clumsy chose to roll two turns in? e: Saw this cool Dungeon Meshi fan-take here 
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Apr 19, 2024 03:05
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Sitting here with 1,000 mana and feeling like I’ve broken the game. Lots of catnip + the weaver’s “Gain as much mana as you already have” + Foretell (invest 3 mana to get 4 next turn).
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RoboCicero posted:I finally cleared a run on Cursed-Ultra and got that sweet +10 blessing, one of which was "add duplicate to the center four sides". Guess which side Clumsy chose to roll two turns in? This is sick and I hope they keep making cool textmods for this game
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Apr 19, 2024 19:10
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Oh no, having a net -3 level up choices means you skip all level ups 
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and there ends my most successful blursed run, by far might have been able to pull it off if they hadn't killed valkyrie first, then stuck my other 4 with inflict-exhaust level 132, 20 curses, 7 blessings observations: - oh my god, cyclops spirit (every enemy gets stunned at half health) is so good! it covers a multitude of sins and is probably the reason i did so well - heroes immune to poison and all damage sides are ranged are really nice qol improvements. the ranged sides + cyclops spirit meant that taking archer bonuses was basically a freebie - agent's quad use side with growth is very funny on the crystal boss - valkyrie with add rescue to the top/bottom sides (prevent death) made for the easiest hexia fight i've ever had - barbarian with the immune to damage in your turn and charged hammer was great. huge damage, no downside - sorcerer with the -1/era to all sides was interesting. useless on turn 1, but by turn 4 they're generating like 30 mana a turn - in general, items are mostly gimmicky, but getting one that makes a build is a great feeling - "you can only store 1 mana" curse is surprisingly irritating when you don't have good mana gen redleader fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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I’m 120 turns into Blurtra with triple Bone Math. Every enemy explodes into 3 damage to its neighbors. I’ve also picked as many summoning curses as I can, so I start every fight with 1-4 reinforcements and then everything that dies also spawns slimelets. Just have to drop a couple attacks and it wipes the entire board.
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Stacking bone math is great. Another good blessing to stack with spare blessing points is latent, where you get poisoned for 3 and regen for 3. If you then get poison immunity you just get heaps of regen each turn. I got to level 280 odd using them and the display case with extra hp items, which you get pretty consistently with some + item level blessings. It was working great until I rolled spider soul as a random curse and the one which turns all mana sides to basic attacks, both of which I found were really nasty, especially at the start of a run when your characters may be rubbish.
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Einander posted:Oh, right, right. The juice got filed under "oh, I know this one" and I didn't look at it again. The "heal is a keyword" trick also works for manaGain. Regular mana sides don't have it as a keyword, so if you can add it somehow, you get double mana from that side (e.g. a sorcerer with jeweler's loupe can get crazy mana going)
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The Aguamoose posted:and the one which turns all mana sides to basic attacks, both of which I found were really nasty, . Also it doesn't work as described, since having a layer of enduring under it ought to save managain keywords, but doesnt
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Trying to equip the generated level 17 emerald satchel in this party crashes the game every time `{d:{l:{m:[x3.Hexia,x8.Illusion,DeathSigil,x6.Sudul,x8.Illusion,x8.Illusion,x3.Hexia]},m:[L9 Blessing^10,Lucky Start,Exposed edges&Level 16 loot,Perceptive^2,Underworld Deal,Monster Blank,Monster Left Pain],n:28,p:{e:[Obol,Blindfold,Katar,Longsword,Diving Suit,Collar,Bismuth,Shining Emerald,rightmost.k.hoard,Kilt,Emerald Satchel#Friendship Bracelet,Whiskers],h:[Housecat~Dragonhide Gloves~Shining Emerald#Trowel,Housecat~Sushi~Egg Basket,o13.32~Trowel#Whirlwind~Pentagram,Housecat~Dolphin~Second Chance,Housecat~Handcuffs]},sl:21},p:["2{}",3],s:24550113435,v:3018r}`
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Lol just found out Rampage triggers if you use it to remove Tarantus' "kill top hero" hp
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Yeah the Rampage logic is remarkably robust; it seems like it basically just resolves the die's action and any aftereffects, then checks to see whether anything became dead at any point for any reason during the resolution. That's why Rampage is such an insanely good keyword - with some cleverness and a bit of synergy, you can regularly sweep fights with it
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i hate guardian so much
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At least he's not Gambler.
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Skippy McPants posted:At least he's not Gambler. 
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with that many you could burst a lot of enemies to death, and then get slaughtered by the first demon you encountered.
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Tunicate posted:with that many you could burst a lot of enemies to death, and then get slaughtered by the first demon you encountered. 
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Skippy McPants posted:At least he's not Gambler. At least he's not Meddler.
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Meddler is good. He makes a shitload of mana and his spell rules. Cultist is the best Lvl. 1 blue, but Meddler is probably tied with Mage for second best. Student and Prodigy are the real loser blues. Just Xs for days and days and days, and even when he rolls well, stupid Student can never make more than a single mana. The bones aren't a huge deal. Even when he spawns 3 in a row it's rarely a game over unless he does it multiple tunes in a row. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Apr 23, 2024 |
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Skippy McPants posted:Just Xs for days and days and days a nice way to get the Generate experience without playing Generate
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