Megillah Gorilla posted:

Almost the funniest thing possible happened at the new trial:

Expert witness in "Rust" shooting trial points firearm towards judge before being corrected by bailiff.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Almost the funniest thing possible happened at the new trial:

Expert witness in "Rust" shooting trial points firearm towards judge before being corrected by bailiff.

Malah posted:

That gun will never stop killing now that it has a taste for blood.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

What he definitely did and should not have done was:
- Make T Shirts mocking crews demands for better treatment and safety.
- Create unsafe and dangerous working conditions
Doing any one of those means you're culpable for whatever wrongful death occurs.
- Existing as a person with too much money while doing the above.

He would be responsible for this death even if he didn't pull the trigger.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Almost the funniest thing possible happened at the new trial:

Expert witness in "Rust" shooting trial points firearm towards judge before being corrected by bailiff.

Malah posted:

That gun will never stop killing now that it has a taste for blood.

nyt posted:

The armorer who put a live round into the gun that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing with on the set of the film “Rust” in 2021 when it went off, killing the cinematographer, was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter on Wednesday.

The conviction of the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, marks the first time a jury has weighed in at trial on the fatal shooting of the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins.

She faces up to 18 months in prison. The sentencing date has not yet been set.

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The 12-person jury delivered its verdict after two and a half hours of deliberations. Outside the courtroom, one juror, Alberto Sanchez, said that the jury had reached its decision easily, saying that it largely came down to the evidence that Ms. Gutierrez-Reed had failed to properly carry out gun safety checks.

“That was her job to check those rounds and those firearms,” he said.

Thorgot posted:

Mister Speaker posted:

Not sure how I feel about how short a sentence she's getting. I mean I guess she'll never work again which is fantastic but still I feel like that's pretty light for what is basically criminal negligence causing death.

Vampire Panties posted:

Rich kids kill more people driving drunk and see zero jail time. I'm sad that person is dead, and its dumb and preventable, but I dunno that justice is being served here.

E. Revenant posted:

Yet another reminder that Management will only look out for itself or their higher ups. When a manager tells you to let a security or safely protocol slide they are not the one at risk physically or professionally, it's always the the workers that get harmed when things go wrong.

She wasn't hired as a bad armorer she was a unqualified armorer and it was the Management dictates that made her into a bad armorer. Corporate culture can never do jail time, only the workers following disastrous orders pay that price in jail or injury.

Haptical Sales Slut posted:

All of that is true as well as the armorer being a massive dipshit. There’s inexperienced and then there’s ’let’s shoot live rounds with the prop gun to pass the time’ level of stupid.

E. Revenant posted:

Yet another reminder that Management will only look out for itself or their higher ups. When a manager tells you to let a security or safely protocol slide they are not the one at risk physically or professionally, it's always the the workers that get harmed when things go wrong.

She wasn't hired as a bad armorer she was a unqualified armorer and it was the Management dictates that made her into a bad armorer. Corporate culture can never do jail time, only the workers following disastrous orders pay that price in jail or injury.

E. Revenant posted:

This is mostly where I was at as far as her allowing live ammo on set. I read that as she didn't knowingly allow live rounds but lax prop security dictated from managment allowed others to taint the supply of dummy rounds with live ones without her knowing. An actual armorer would have caught the live rounds but see wasn't trained to do that and the set management also didn't want her controlling the gun and ammo "props" as strictly as they should have been.

If there is information that is more up to date than that from 2022 that would help me have a more accurate base of what happened.

E. Revenant posted:

If there is information that is more up to date than that from 2022 that would help me have a more accurate base of what happened.

dividertabs posted:

But how could an inexperienced, starry-eyed armorer know to make sure her guns didn't have actual bullets in them before handing them to known psychopath Alec Baldwin?

E. Revenant posted:

gently caress is the modern internet trash. I can't find ANY text news that goes into detail on what was said in the trial. Yet I can find all kinds of 20 min to 1 hour long youtube videos that pad out 10 min worth of material.

Anyways, I'm coming to the conclusion that Gutierrez might actually have been so unbelievably incompetent that she never rattle tested the rounds that she was responsible for. Whether the lethal rounds came from the supplier or someone smuggled them on set she still never found them. The lethal rounds were scattered into multiple locations and were distinct with nickel coated primers. There is photo evidence of her with the lethal rounds at least a day before the killing. If she had done her job and just found one by routine testing then it would have been easy to find all of them and prevent the tragedy.

Ultimately we might never know where the live rounds came from because it didn't matter for the trial. Lethal rounds were on set and she didn't do anything to prevent them from being there. That's all on her and that alone was enough to convict.

My earlier statement is still true Production didn't want to pay for competence and Management didn't want to follow strict controls and both got their wishes. She is not an innocent scapegoat but there is still responsibly left over for running that mess of a set.

E. Revenant posted:

gently caress is the modern internet trash. I can't find ANY text news that goes into detail on what was said in the trial. Yet I can find all kinds of 20 min to 1 hour long youtube videos that pad out 10 min worth of material.

Anyways, I'm coming to the conclusion that Gutierrez might actually have been so unbelievably incompetent that she never rattle tested the rounds that she was responsible for. Whether the lethal rounds came from the supplier or someone smuggled them on set she still never found them. The lethal rounds were scattered into multiple locations and were distinct with nickel coated primers. There is photo evidence of her with the lethal rounds at least a day before the killing. If she had done her job and just found one by routine testing then it would have been easy to find all of them and prevent the tragedy.

Ultimately we might never know where the live rounds came from because it didn't matter for the trial. Lethal rounds were on set and she didn't do anything to prevent them from being there. That's all on her and that alone was enough to convict.

My earlier statement is still true Production didn't want to pay for competence and Management didn't want to follow strict controls and both got their wishes. She is not an innocent scapegoat but there is still responsibly left over for running that mess of a set.

PookBear posted:

I can't find anything regarding qualifications as armorer. She was a film school grad that worked in costumes? who the hell hired her.