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LGD
Sep 25, 2004

multijoe posted:

going to expend my (1) posting in this thread token to say: lol

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LGD
Sep 25, 2004

multijoe posted:

going to expend my (∞) posting in this thread token to say: lol

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

fool of sound posted:

No it's the conversation that 2-3 people want to have, while the other 100 regulars in USPol PM me 8 times and file collectively 30 reports about because they want to discuss breaking news in USNews, not vaping policy.

But they’re clearly not discussing breaking news or they’d drown out the 2-3 people, and it is vanishingly unlikely any breaking new of import is actually happening or the 2-3 people would almost certainly drop the slightly off-topic discussion to engage with it. So it sounds like your actual problem is (taking your word at face value) a meaningfully large group of D&D regulars who have been trained and conditioned to expect they can control and dictate the flow of conversation to their precise liking via mod intervention at their behest?

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

fool of sound posted:

That sure is a lot of words to call me a patholical liar, MSDOS. It's funny that you would call anyone pathological when you've spent the entire last year of your posting exclusively complaining about D&D in other forums. Don't post in this thread again.

hmm so the mod who came in extremely aggressively and imposed new rules dictating people speak in exactly the manner they prefer (including only addressing posts to mods) is now issuing a threadban because they didn't like the content of a perfectly decorous post addressed to them, and misrepresenting both the contents of the post and how that poster behaves in other contexts to do so (a funny "response" to a self-invented charge of being a pathological liar!)

this thread really is about the most concise microcosm of what is wrong with D&D moderation imaginable, and a perfect example of why the only rational response to these threads is an ever-increasing level of well-deserved mockery with each new iteration

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

CommieGIR posted:

The problem is that doesn't seem to happen here as often. In fact most of the new threads were made by mods it seems like. Like I said: Its weird that nobody feels like they can open their own threads here.

Why would that be at all weird? D&D is widely perceived as having mods who are heavy handed, capricious, ideologically driven, and serve the preferences of a subset of regulars who are keen to mass-report anything they don't like. Starting a thread is a much more attention-getting and "serious" undertaking than mere posting (can't autoban with a post!), so it should be no surprise that people are disinclined to start new threads. Meanwhile, most threads started by mods are not actually a natural result of a conversation hitting enough critical mass to deserve a spinoff, but because mods feel they need to intervene to remove a derail (the precise motivations are left as an exercise for the reader). Indeed, the very fact that the mods so frequently intervene (relative to other forums) in the most-read threads to dictate how conversations should be "properly" sequestered in fact almost certainly heavily reinforces those impressions/tendencies.

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

The Shortest Path posted:

What would even be the purpose of reporting a post in this thread lmao

these sorts of threads are the only ones I ever report anyone in (aside from obviously illegal content that needs to get zapped ASAP) precisely because they're so high profile and because they tend to have mods talking a lot of talk about how they moderate and how reports should be used while also imposing arbitrary restrictions on the conversation and needing to at least make a pretense of consistency, so it's fun to both see how they conduct themselves (if, say, hypothetically a poster perceived as favored nearly immediately violates every part of the new rules they've just imposed), and to (presumably) elevate the new arbitrary rules to a place where other mods might then see that (again, purely hypothetically) a fellow mod had kramered into a thread and was aggressively threatening week-long probes

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

GreyjoyBastard posted:

After things settled down, we, for the reasons fos and i enunciated, went with "everybody shut up about readechat". This was a clear, simple policy that made absolutely everyone involved angry.

After a while, and with the impetus of Herstory who was a very good IK before he retired to spend more time with the path of exile thread, we opened the metoo thread. Our secret hope was that everyone would move on from Tara Reade (and indeed, the thread eventually largely did), but in the meantime our policy on doubting Reade was a more nuanced "don't be gross about it": you can doubt her, you can even state reasons for why, but they need to be either directly linked to the facts of the accusation or very compelling and direct credibility arguments.

Yeah, that "secret hope" was never a secret to anyone at all.

Just a real mystery why anyone thinks D&D moderation has a strong partisan bias or backs rape apologia.

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Jaxyon posted:

Some do, some don't.

The police thread is a pretty good example. It's got a lot of content from a relatively small amount of posters who put in effort, and most of the rest of it pretty inactive.

When people start discussing "defund the police" or "was this police execution justified" in the main USPol thread, you'll get 10 or so people actively posting and making opinions for about 5 pages, then a IK/mod asks them to take it to the cop thread, and zero people do. They just stop posting about cops.

Effectively, this just killed a discussion. You can argue that is due to the laziness or disinterest of posters or whatever but the result is that police reform/abolition discussion is limited to a small containment area.

And certainly the mods know/think such splits kill conversations, since one of them just, y'know, admitted that they created a thread in a deliberate and considered attempt to do exactly that.

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LGD
Sep 25, 2004

GreyjoyBastard posted:

okay so no

the intent was for it to be a general productive metoo and suchnot thread that was about more than just tara reade

and it did in fact have some very good conversation on that, and heck, may yet again

the objective was not to kill the topic, the objective, to put it overly simply, was "where do we go from here"

quote:

After things settled down, we, for the reasons fos and i enunciated, went with "everybody shut up about readechat". This was a clear, simple policy that made absolutely everyone involved angry.

quote:

Our secret hope was that everyone would move on from Tara Reade

Oh certainly no one intended anything as gauche as killing a conversation, they just wanted to sequester it away in a specific thread in the explicit hope that people would "move on" (certainly not a phrase with any unfortunate implications re: allegations of sexual impropriety involving Democratic presidents)

And it would be wildly unfair to draw any unfavorable conclusions from things like:

a. lack of previously established interest in a more in-depth conversation than could be accomplished in USPOL
b. The impetus very clearly being the Reade accusations specifically
c. All of this coming on the heels of what is acknowledged to be an explicit "shut up about Reade" policy

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