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It'll just get dropped and instantly forgotten, like the fact that the Doctor is half-human (on his mother's side).
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Jerusalem posted:They're all the same person so maybe they'd be the Timeless Childs The Timelesses Child
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Oct 26, 2021 23:29
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Rochallor posted:It'll just get dropped and instantly forgotten, like the fact that the Doctor is half-human (on his mother's side). Did that ever get brought up by big finish? Feel like it is something I would remember....
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Oct 26, 2021 23:31
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Confusedslight posted:Did that ever get brought up by big finish? Feel like it is something I would remember.... It did weirdly get brought up by Moffat in Hell Bent! (In a troll-y way, not a serious one.)
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Oct 26, 2021 23:35
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Confusedslight posted:Did that ever get brought up by big finish? Feel like it is something I would remember.... No, but BF is run by fan conservatives these days. It turns up a fair bit in the EDAs tho.
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Oct 27, 2021 01:01
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Vinylshadow posted:Maybe we'll be surprised He's gonna run out of later episodes in which to ruin things pretty fast. Maybe he cribbed a bunch of good ideas off of other authors, and we can nickname him Cribnall.
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Oct 27, 2021 01:28
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Confusedslight posted:Did that ever get brought up by big finish? Feel like it is something I would remember.... There's a 6th Doctor audio where to prevent anybody accessing the Eye of Harmony, he reprograms the TARDIS to Evelyn's eye instead since nobody will think that a human eye could open it. At the end of the story he muses to himself that he mustn't forget to change that back 
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Oct 27, 2021 01:37
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I thought I read somewhere that RTD thought the Timeless Child was a brilliant idea, though that may just have been him being diplomatic towards the guy he originally hired to run Torchwood. No previous showrunner is going to publicly poo poo on an idea from the current one, especially given the whole group is so tight, so we'll never know what they really think about it. I can certainly see future showrunner seeing the possibility of mining previously unheard of incarnations of the Doctor as liberating, so I'm not expecting the concept to be completely forgotten the way half-human was.
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Oct 27, 2021 11:11
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Crosspeice posted:Imagine if there's no mention of the Timeless Child at all, driving fans crazy for decades like the Valeyard. I would, by far, prefer this.
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Oct 27, 2021 16:04
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I'm looking forward to hearing Jodie say FLOOKS in various tones. Can't say how quickly that will get old but it's something. No expectations beyond that.
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Oct 27, 2021 19:16
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"I'm half-Timeless, on my mother's side." I wonder if the phrase "flux capacitor" will come up over the course of the new series.
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Oct 27, 2021 22:12
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Reverse the polarity of the neutron flux
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Edward Mass posted:for the first time in 35 years, the whole of the season will follow one story Jesus H Christ if only Bob Holmes and Phillip Hinchcliffe had come back for S24
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Oct 27, 2021 22:49
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I'm going to watch this but I don't have great expectations. Though only two companions will help with the character focus. I will miss Graham though.
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Oct 28, 2021 18:06
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Was at the cinema and saw an ad for flux - two ads in fact, as it was split in half. Although Jodie telling the audience we needed to listen very carefully, the BBC advert ending abruptly and then it going into an advert that started with "We've got a chance to save the world" which turned to be about lentils... not quite the tension they were aiming for.
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Oct 28, 2021 21:20
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MrL_JaKiri posted:"We've got a chance to save the world" which turned to be about lentils... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmvVEvM3gbw
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Oct 29, 2021 00:34
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The recon of the Evil of the Daleks is airing on BBC America at 8AM Eastern tomorrow, so set your DVRs.
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Oct 29, 2021 22:22
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They need someone to helm Who, who has the guts to make it a little more serious and completely take out the camp because it is massively derogatory to the show. Chibnall could have made Jodies run amazing, but it really did fall flat. The Timeless Child ret con was just an awful thing to do to Dr Who as a whole. I am still amazed this got the greeen light.
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Oct 30, 2021 11:46
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:completely take out the camp because it is massively derogatory to the show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyD5ILDvYho
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Oct 30, 2021 12:31
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Edward Mass posted:The recon of the Evil of the Daleks is airing on BBC America at 8AM Eastern tomorrow, so set your DVRs. It's up on the AMC+ app now.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:04
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:They need someone to helm Who, who has the guts to make it a little more serious and completely take out the camp because it is massively derogatory to the show. Chibnall could have made Jodies run amazing, but it really did fall flat. The Timeless Child ret con was just an awful thing to do to Dr Who as a whole. I am still amazed this got the greeen light. It got the green light because the guy who came up with the idea and the guy who's running the show are both the same person. The BBC doesn't care about The Lore of Doctor Who, all they care about is if the show gets big ratings and makes lots of money from merch and international distribution.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:30
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I also saw the Flux ad at the cinema, and I just…..felt nothing. Except for when I laughed when she said “Sontarans”. I’m pretty sure I’m not going to watch it. Chibnall is just the worst. Although if nobody else in the thread likes him either and everyone here is just hatewatching, like how the Moffat seasons should have been, then that could be fun.
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Oct 30, 2021 13:42
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Escobarbarian posted:I also saw the Flux ad at the cinema, and I just…..felt nothing. Except for when I laughed when she said “Sontarans”. It's why I didn't/don't get it the last two or three years, when people get all "only x days/weeks until new DW!  ". It's Chibnall's DW. How can anyone get excited for his boring drivel?
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Oct 30, 2021 13:47
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It's Doctor Who, which means it's something to watch and talk about from week to week for a few months If it's good, then it's good If it's bad, well, then at least we have something to laugh at
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Oct 30, 2021 14:43
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Chibnall's stuff isn't even bad enough to laugh at. At best it's often cringeworthy and at worst it's boring, neither of which are particularly fun to watch or to make fun of. If Chibnall had produced something truly worthy of being considered "so bad it's good" like "Time and the Rani" or "Nightmare of Eden", then you'd be on to something. Instead his stuff is either just embarrassing, or else it just washes quietly by in a bland gray wave. I'd go so far as to say the only reaction Chibnall's gotten out of anyone since the start of his run on DW is outrage: outrage that he's wasted Jodie Whittaker (because so many people felt genuine joy and interest in her casting, only to see Chibnall do absolutely nothing with it), outrage over that Kerblam episode (because it was so clearly pro-Amazon-style business practices that it legitimately hurt), and outrage over the Timeless Child stuff (because it's one of the dumbest ideas in the show's history, which is really saying something given how long it's been running in both original and revived forms). But the actual stories that he's put on screen since taking over? Meh.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:They need someone to helm Who, who has the guts to make it a little more serious and completely take out the camp because it is massively derogatory to the show. Chibnall could have made Jodies run amazing, but it really did fall flat. The Timeless Child ret con was just an awful thing to do to Dr Who as a whole. I am still amazed this got the greeen light. Taking out the camp from Doctor Who is like taking the baking out of the Great British Baking show. Escobarbarian posted:I also saw the Flux ad at the cinema, and I just…..felt nothing. Except for when I laughed when she said “Sontarans”. I don’t think he’s given us anything as amazingly bad as Fear Her or In the Forest of the Night; his biggest flaw as showrunner is that, unlike the last two, none of his scripts have ever been best of season and he often struggles to land more than one or two above average. He also seems to have a higher percentage of episodes in his series which are competent to good but then get spoiled by the ending. On the other hand, he gave us both Jodie Whittaker and Jo Martin. I’m not going to praise him for mostly wasting Jodie’s Doctor, but it was still a big step and no other showrunner was willing to take it. Now that’s he’s done it, anyone could play the Doctor in the future, and that’s a big deal. The show’s had worse producers. I don’t have much patience for Innes Lloyd’s attitudes towards companions, for instance. It’s probably had a worse script editor, though Chibnall can be nominated in that category. As the combined showrunner, with only two others for comparison, Chibnall is worst, but by classic show standards his record looks somewhat better. Taking the long view, Who may never have looked so good on the screen, had as many good actors or sets. Scripting remains inconsistent, but I wonder if there’s any well-scripted episodes that have been let down by production design or bad performances, as in the old days of the show. Question for the thread.
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At the very least, Whittaker might get a few charming and likable bits before the script starts insisting that she play the Doctor as passively as possible again. Because we can't have 13 written as having confidence or inventiveness or mystery or anger like any other previous incarnation. Wait....this entire arc is going to be pushing the timeless child thing more and more isn't it? 
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Narsham posted:As the combined showrunner, with only two others for comparison, Chibnall is worst, but by classic show standards his record looks somewhat better. I'd disagree with this because his record pales in comparison to Hinchliffe/Holmes, whose run was arguably the gold standard for the classic era of the show. quote:Taking the long view, Who may never have looked so good on the screen, had as many good actors or sets. On that note, I just read this article: Chris Chibnall Tried to Turn Doctor Who into Prestige TV quote:[...]Taken as a whole, it seems like Chibnall is turning Doctor Who into a much more generic piece of modern television. In 2012, Andy Greenwald decried the rise of shows he described as “prestige simulacra,” which mimicked the look and feel of prestigious television. It can sometimes feel like Chibnall has pushed Doctor Who into that zone. quote:It often feels like Chibnall has the idea of having the Doctor meet a key figure and learn about their importance, but no idea what the show actually wants to say. In “Rosa,” the Doctor seems to argue that Rosa Parks’ activism worked out because mankind eventually named an asteroid after her. In “Spyfall,” the Doctor wipes Noor Inayat Khan’s memory before consigning her to torture and execution in Dachau; she also weaponizes Nazi racism against the Master (Sacha Dhawan). quote:There is a sense in which the Chibnall era is insistent that Doctor Who is “serious business.”[...]The irony, of course, is that many of the big problems with 1980s Doctor Who derived from the same insistence that Doctor Who should be taken seriously. The retrofitted continuity of Chibnall’s “Timeless Child” arc recalls the convoluted fan service of something like “Attack of the Cybermen.” Similarly, the scale and spectacle of Chibnall’s “Ascension of the Cyberman” looks like nothing more than an attempt to remake the 1982 serial “Earthshock” with a modern BBC budget. E: also I'm reminded of something the late great J.G. Ballard said back in the early 1980s, when discussing British television with an American interviewer, who'd remarked how much better the British TV they saw on PBS was than the comparable American TV of the time. Ballard responded with something along the lines of "saying [Britain] has the best TV in the world is like saying we have the best junk food in the world". Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Looks it's all blowing up with Bill Baggs and BBV Productions online at the moment, due to them hiring a known sexual predator for a role, and Baggs trying to shut down all criticism of it on Twitter. Apparently he still owes a lot of people money too.
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Oct 30, 2021 20:08
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Sydney Bottocks posted:f Chibnall had produced something truly worthy of being considered "so bad it's good" like "Time and the Rani" or "Nightmare of Eden" The Nightmare of Eden has an excellent script, it just didn't translate well. The Target novelisation was one of my favourites as a lad.
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Oct 30, 2021 23:34
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Nightmare on Eden was the first story I saw and therefore I consider it unimpeachable regardless of what the episode is actually like.
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Oct 31, 2021 00:02
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Nightmare of Eden has an excellent script, it just didn't translate well. The Target novelisation was one of my favourites as a lad. It was basically the combo of Douglas Adams as script editor, and Tom at the height of his popularity, that doomed it. Adams tended towards the quirkier side of things, and Tom was so entrenched in the role of the Doctor that (as he himself later admitted) he could basically intimidate directors and producers into letting him play the role however he wanted to, and that was the result.
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Oct 31, 2021 00:03
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I can't wait to find out Gallifrey was destroyed, AGAIN! Honestly, i hated how they keep doing that in NuWho. I always loved there was a planet of bureaucrats and bean counters that would every once and a while interfear with the doctors adventures.
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twistedmentat posted:I can't wait to find out Gallifrey was destroyed, AGAIN! Honestly, i hated how they keep doing that in NuWho. I always loved there was a planet of bureaucrats and bean counters that would every once and a while interfear with the doctors adventures. That depends on whether or not RTD retcons the Timeless Child bullshit, because otherwise it's not just a planet of stodgy old bureaucrats, but a planet of people that tortured the poo poo out of the TC and stole their regeneration secrets. Makes going back there a bit awkward if that's still the case.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:That depends on whether or not RTD retcons the Timeless Child bullshit, because otherwise it's not just a planet of stodgy old bureaucrats, but a planet of people that tortured the poo poo out of the TC and stole their regeneration secrets. Makes going back there a bit awkward if that's still the case. I mean, the timeless child stuff is unmitigated horse poo poo, but this particular objection... Not really? That is supposed to have happened at the very beginning of time lord society (before there were really time lords, just Gallifreyans). So its like saying the doctor should avoid the US because of how the american settlers treated native americans, or that the doctor should never visit Britain because of how britain has treated... Well, everybody really, if you give me a minute I'll dig out the map of everyone the UK has never been to war with. Except seperated by thousands (millions? hosed if I know) of years instead of just a couple of hundred. The Time Lords have done worse to the doctor more recently without making it particularly weird he sometimes goes to Gallifrey (hell, he visited Scaro relatively recently too). And "tortured the poo poo out of the timeless child and stole their regeneration secrets" is at best an extremely colourful way of describing what we actually saw on screen. The timeless child is a bad enough idea we dont need to make up reasons for it to be bad. The actual idea is bad enough.
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SiKboy posted:I mean, the timeless child stuff is unmitigated horse poo poo, but this particular objection... Not really? That is supposed to have happened at the very beginning of time lord society (before there were really time lords, just Gallifreyans). So its like saying the doctor should avoid the US because of how the american settlers treated native americans, or that the doctor should never visit Britain because of how britain has treated... Well, everybody really, if you give me a minute I'll dig out the map of everyone the UK has never been to war with. Except seperated by thousands (millions? hosed if I know) of years instead of just a couple of hundred. The Time Lords have done worse to the doctor more recently without making it particularly weird he sometimes goes to Gallifrey (hell, he visited Scaro relatively recently too). And "tortured the poo poo out of the timeless child and stole their regeneration secrets" is at best an extremely colourful way of describing what we actually saw on screen. "The Time Lords have done worse to the Doctor more recently" exactly how?
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Oct 31, 2021 02:54
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Well there was the time he spent 2 billion years in a clockwork torture chamber...
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Oct 31, 2021 02:56
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Also the Doctor should avoid the US over what they did to the Native Americans, if I'm being perfectly honest
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Sydney Bottocks posted:"The Time Lords have done worse to the Doctor more recently" exactly how? I mean, about half the interactions we've seen him have with them in the entire run of the show? I was specifically thinking of Dabir posted:Well there was the time he spent 2 billion years in a clockwork torture chamber... but again, as the timeless child stuff is supposed to happen pre hartnell, pick any bad thing the time lords did to the doctor and its more recent than the timeless child stuff. Oh, and I looked it up. This stuff is supposed to have happened while Gallifrey had a society but before they mastered time travel, so "The End of Time" pegs it at more than ten million years ago, but less than a billion years ago. Which gives us a hell of a margin of error because I dont think that RTD really thought about how long a billion years is, but there we are; I stand by my comment that deciding the doctor shouldnt visit gallifrey because of the actions of one time lord somewhere between 10000000 and 1000000000 years ago is frankly ridiculous when the doctor spends most of their time on earth and we've (as a species) murdered untold numbers of kids. This isnt a The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas situation here. A better reason for the doctor to not visit gallifrey without a retcon is that theres nobody there because apparently the master somehow killed all of them because, and I cant stress this enough, the timeless child was a loving stupid story. Sydney Bottocks posted:Also the Doctor should avoid the US over what they did to the Native Americans, if I'm being perfectly honest If I'm being perfectly honest I think the doctor should spend more time in places where they see injustice, not less.
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SiKboy posted:the timeless child was a loving stupid story I mean, we're in agreement that it was a poo poo story, I just disagree that the Doctor might not be so eager to return to Gallifrey after being told "Gallifrey isn't your home planet, and you were forced to regenerate over and over again until one of their ancient scientists figured out just how you did it, so they could do it too".
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