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Bar Ran Dun posted:And there often end up being other costs when there is a GA more surprises lol. So what happens if you ship $200k worth of stuff and the shipping company says "If you want this back it will cost you $300k" and you're just like "nah you keep it"
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Jan 27, 2022 00:38
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KillHour posted:So what happens if you ship $200k worth of stuff and the shipping company says "If you want this back it will cost you $300k" and you're just like "nah you keep it" To get your cargo you or your insurer has to post a bond. Usually it’s like 12% of cargo and freight value. Later the rest of the money gets figured out these take loving forever, cause all the losses have to get totaled. If you abandoned it they might sell it off if it has any value . I don’t know if you’d get subrogated against of not for your share if you did that. I don’t see the process at that point.
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Jan 27, 2022 00:45
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The real you got hosed stuff is government orders, like CBP stuff.
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Jan 27, 2022 00:49
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And all this stuff is tame compared to hosed one can get on like a bulk cargo charter for say grain.
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Jan 27, 2022 01:02
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I'm never going to ship anything ever.
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Jan 27, 2022 01:07
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KillHour posted:I'm never going to ship anything ever. *ships one large size Totoro Plush off Alibaba* Soon: 
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Jan 27, 2022 01:18
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Also the seller said in writing that the shipping would cover delivery to my address, I was very particular about that. Now the freight company just told me "shipper booked CFS-CFS only" which I guess is Container Freight Yard. They are asking if I want to go to the warehouse and pick it up myself (hour each way), or if I want to pay for the add-on service. Will they even let me show up with an SUV and take five 80-pound packages off a pallet? I would guess there's no loving way their insurance would allow that.
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Jan 27, 2022 01:31
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Zero VGS posted:Will they even let me show up with an SUV and take five 80-pound packages off a pallet? I would guess there's no loving way their insurance would allow that. CFS can be sceezy as gently caress they might let you. Make sure they’ll release the cargo and are okay with it before you go through. They’ll probably make you load it yourself into your SUV. Where is this?
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Jan 27, 2022 01:37
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If it sits there a while there could be storage charges too.
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Jan 27, 2022 01:40
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The real takeaway from this is that shipping/logistics, as an industry, goes a gently caress sight further than you see on the retail side of like UPS or FedEx or whatever. That's why those services cost a lot of money and you can find a "deal" when you avoid them. It's because now you've stripped away that level of protection and professional expertise. I know people who make a lot of money just dealing with random "I have widget X in place A, and I need it to be in place B by date Y" poo poo. And they earn their money, because they deal with all this crap and some part of the liability, the same way plumbers make money by mending your plumbing with less bullshit than you'd go through trying to piece your way through it based on some youtube videos. PT6A fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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Jan 27, 2022 03:20
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Speaking of terminal nonsense. Cross docking is getting ridiculous now. Shipments that used to take 3 to 5 days have cargo sitting in cross dock for 2-3 weeks for the last leg. I have to go to one tomorrow to pull a part that's been sitting in a trailer for 10 days, was just offloaded and the carrier says. "Yea we still don't have a delivery day." Gotta drive up myself and have my notorized pickup order to skip that poo poo. I don't see how the normal supply chain can take much more of this. My production line was down 60% this month because of shipment uncertainty.
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Jan 27, 2022 03:28
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PT6A posted:. And they earn their money, because they deal with all this crap and some part of the liability, the same way plumbers make money by mending your plumbing with less bullshit than you'd go through trying to piece your way through it based on some youtube videos. A lot of the logistics stuff isn’t on YouTube or really anywhere. Basically there are small, handfuls of individuals with real specific knowledge. Most of the 3PLS will then go on to subcontract a lot of the onsite / in person knowledge work to surveyors. Especially for problematic cargoes like hazardous materials. The ocean carriers will also force shippers to use these same people for specific cargos or on the bulk side they might be literally written into the vessel charter contracts.
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Jan 27, 2022 03:45
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BlueBlazer posted:Speaking of terminal nonsense. Cross docking is getting ridiculous now. Shipments that used to take 3 to 5 days have cargo sitting in cross dock for 2-3 weeks for the last leg. Omicron is really walloping the waterfront and CFS. Some of the warehouses I talk to have 50 to 75% percent of the labor out. Figure at-least another month of really loving bad before it goes back normal pandemic bad.
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Jan 27, 2022 03:49
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Bar Ran Dun posted:A lot of the logistics stuff isn’t on YouTube or really anywhere. Basically there are small, handfuls of individuals with real specific knowledge. Most of the 3PLS will then go on to subcontract a lot of the onsite / in person knowledge work to surveyors. Especially for problematic cargoes like hazardous materials. The ocean carriers will also force shippers to use these same people for specific cargos or on the bulk side they might be literally written into the vessel charter contracts. Yeah, no, I get that. I'm just saying it's specialized knowledge and you'll do better with a real expert in the field, just like any other field. The guy I knew who ran a business in that area of expertise flew on private jets and a handful of really nice, expensive cars. I don't think you get that kind of money without offering serious value, via your expertise, to a decent number of businesses who've fully considered their other options. The comparison comes when you can either fumble about with things you're really not an expert in, and go through a whole bunch of aggravation, or you can just pay a guy whose job it is to get it done. And the reason that guy has a job to begin with is because he knows what he's doing and it's not trivial, even if for some percentage of the time you can maybe half-rear end your way through it and come out the other side without anything particularly bad happening. PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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Jan 27, 2022 04:31
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PT6A posted:Yeah, no, I get that. I'm just saying it's specialized knowledge and you'll do better with a real expert in the field, just like any other field. The guy I knew who ran a business in that area of expertise flew on private jets and a handful of really nice, expensive cars. I don't think you get that kind of money without offering serious value, via your expertise, to a decent number of businesses who've fully considered their other options. Oh yeah I agree. There’s just a fairly high chance if that’s what he does that I’ve crossed paths indirectly with him. Particularly if he specialized in OOG or haz exporting from the US.
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Jan 27, 2022 04:39
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Oh yeah I agree. There’s just a fairly high chance if that’s what he does that I’ve crossed paths indirectly with him. Particularly if he specialized in OOG or haz exporting from the US. Canadian-based but he used to work in the US (New York, specifically) until 9/11 freaked him out, I think (he worked in the towers, and just narrowly missed being in them, from what I gather). I believe he specializes in oversized cargo for mining/oilpatch stuff. EDIT: It's funny because I met him through not-business, and he always kind of struck me as a playboy sort of guy... but then if you watched him work, the poo poo he could manage and deal with was amazing even if it left him a fair bit of free time. You don't pay him for constant work, you pay him because he's an expert and he can get poo poo done in an hour that would take a non-expert a week and they'd still gently caress it up. PT6A fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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Jan 27, 2022 05:02
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Yeah I’ve almost certainly looked at things he’s shipped then even if I didn’t know the company though probably not for him.
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Jan 27, 2022 05:09
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That's cool, I expect it's a reasonably small world. Another question: I occasionally order some stuff on a regular basis that gets shipped by DHL. Through this process, I've noticed that it never takes the same path from origin to destination twice in a row. Are they brilliant in terms of load-balancing a complex international network, or insane?
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Jan 27, 2022 05:13
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PT6A posted:That's cool, I expect it's a reasonably small world. Small packages that’s not abnormal. They probably have an algorithm to figure that out when it’s booked.
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Jan 27, 2022 05:17
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Small packages that’s not abnormal. They probably have an algorithm to figure that out when it’s booked. It's honestly amazing, because they'll get poo poo from Stockholm to Calgary in less time than it takes the average package to get from Toronto to Calgary by post, all for the same price more or less, and always by a slightly different route. I don't know what they're doing to make it happen, but it seems like magic to me.
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Jan 27, 2022 05:27
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Bar Ran Dun posted:CFS can be sceezy as gently caress they might let you. Make sure they’ll release the cargo and are okay with it before you go through. Boston, I have a friend telling me they've been intentionally sending all the Chinese ships to NY so that Boston harbor is dead and NY is insanely swamped. He must be on to something because I didn't even tell him that I asked them to send mine to the Boston port and they just ignored me and sent it to NY as well.
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Jan 27, 2022 06:19
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PT6A posted:It's honestly amazing, because they'll get poo poo from Stockholm to Calgary in less time than it takes the average package to get from Toronto to Calgary by post, all for the same price more or less, and always by a slightly different route. I don't know what they're doing to make it happen, but it seems like magic to me. If I have to do anything mission critical Ill use DHL. Even domestic it's been way more likely something gets where I REALLY need it.
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Jan 27, 2022 07:00
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PT6A posted:I don't know what they're doing to make it happen, but it seems like magic to me. It’s just Linear Programming. Zero VGS posted:Boston, I have a friend telling me they've been intentionally sending all the Chinese ships to NY so that Boston harbor is dead and NY is insanely swamped. He must be on to something because I didn't even tell him that I asked them to send mine to the Boston port and they just ignored me and sent it to NY as well. Yeah that’s probably not true. NY/NJ is just a much much bigger container port than Boston. Looking at who calls Boston, probably COSCO or Evergreen is the line based on “Chinese”. Guessing COSCO I’ve seen them pushed out of berths on the East Coast in Savannah into Charleston. Evergreen tends to own their own terminals. Oh well can’t help unfortunately. .
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Jan 27, 2022 07:14
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Looks like some things are starting to get better, https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1485969663473377286?s=20&t=NvShzA9LVQ0CD5Kp2wff_w
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Jan 29, 2022 20:36
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Bar Ran Dun posted:late fuckers that won’t publish my oped.
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Feb 2, 2022 00:01
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Looks like some things are starting to get better, Because some random dude on Twitter thinks so? Isn't this just a joke about how the graph has looked on the way up so far?
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Feb 3, 2022 23:49
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Someone explain that graph to me because it looks to be saying the exact opposite. Edit: Oh wait, that's a prediction for next month.
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Feb 3, 2022 23:51
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Fame Douglas posted:Because some random dude on Twitter thinks so? Isn't this just a joke about how the graph has looked on the way up so far? Reading through the account a bit it would be be because that's the accounts business and it isn't an insignificant bet unless you don't believe them at all.
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Frequent Handies posted:Reading through the account a bit it would be be because that's the accounts business and it isn't an insignificant bet unless you don't believe them at all. Yeah, seems to not be meant as a joke. In another reply, that person is saying that prices for used cars have gotten so high there's reduced demand, which makes it likely prices will fall a bit. But who knows.
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Fame Douglas posted:Yeah, seems to not be meant as a joke. In another reply, that person is saying that prices for used cars have gotten so high there's reduced demand, which makes it likely prices will fall a bit. But who knows. I can't imagine demand dropping. Cars are so ubiquitous to American life you can't survive without one. People will just be forced to buy the overpriced garbage if they want to get to work.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I can't imagine demand dropping. Cars are so ubiquitous to American life you can't survive without one. People will just be forced to buy the overpriced garbage if they want to get to work. Much like with gas prices, it's what I think is called non-elastic demand. You can't ask people to use less fuel on their daily commute.
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Jaxyon posted:https://whowhatwhy.org/culture/journalism-media/the-great-los-angeles-train-robbery-is-an-exercise-in-misdirection/ This is one of those funny moments when railfans actually knew about the truth of this like a year ago and watched all the bullshit on the news unfold in real time. It's so strange when my hobby does this. I had actual train dispatchers on live feeds essentially saying that UP was playing a game of chicken with this mess last year.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Much like with gas prices, it's what I think is called non-elastic demand. You can't ask people to use less fuel on their daily commute.
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TyroneGoldstein posted:This is one of those funny moments when railfans actually knew about the truth of this like a year ago and watched all the bullshit on the news unfold in real time. It's so strange when my hobby does this. I had actual train dispatchers on live feeds essentially saying that UP was playing a game of chicken with this mess last year. US freight railways seem in a suicidal cost cutting race in recent times, it's bizarre to see. A Buttery Pastry posted:More economical driving can save you 10-15%! Also, not driving a pointless huge SUV or truck.
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Fame Douglas posted:US freight railways seem in a suicidal cost cutting race in recent times, it's bizarre to see. Liability is restricted by the terms of the Bill of Lading for most shippers. Carriers tend not to gaf.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Much like with gas prices, it's what I think is called non-elastic demand. You can't ask people to use less fuel on their daily commute. It's bananas that something as expensive and difficult to maintain as a vehicle could be considered inelastic. It's incredible that American transport systems have hosed themselves into this corner.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I can't imagine demand dropping. Cars are so ubiquitous to American life you can't survive without one. People will just be forced to buy the overpriced garbage if they want to get to work. Or car pool, or make the existing one limp along, or switch jobs - there is a point at which prices rise so high there simply aren't buyers available.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I can't imagine demand dropping. Cars are so ubiquitous to American life you can't survive without one. People will just be forced to buy the overpriced garbage if they want to get to work. https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1490692058234949632?s=20&t=q_IGRtGFLtYnzmfZrri2lQ
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