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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
It's an uncommon enough design in the aggregate that with her personality in that one page its kinda a shame they changed it as she seemed interesting; not a fan of the costume she has but overall its like a 8 on 10. Goat legged demonettes aren't really common outside of Draenei.

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khy
Aug 15, 2005

How about instead of banished from ONE party, banished from TWO? And also a church, and a noble house.

https://mangadex.org/title/2356f5ff-143f-4e3b-96e6-9d9f5efab8c5/ningen-fushin-no-boukenshatachi-ga-sekai-o-sukuu-youdesu

TL;DR - four different people who all experienced betrayal and sought refuge in various addictions (Idol addition, gambling, brothel, and food addiction) meet and form a party based on mutual distrust of one another.

E: There is a bit of horny, which should be expected given one of the characters is a brothel/host club addict. But nothing explicit.

khy fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 26, 2021

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

khy posted:

How about instead of banished from ONE party, banished from TWO? And also a church, and a noble house.

https://mangadex.org/title/2356f5ff-143f-4e3b-96e6-9d9f5efab8c5/ningen-fushin-no-boukenshatachi-ga-sekai-o-sukuu-youdesu

TL;DR - four different people who all experienced betrayal and sought refuge in various addictions (Idol addition, gambling, brothel, and food addiction) meet and form a party based on mutual distrust of one another.

Sounds like a blast! Like a dark cynical version of the Order of the Stick.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
the dragon girl is cute but otherwise it's not very interesting.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Aggressive plays from Rit today boy howdy

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Seraphic Neoman posted:

Aggressive plays from Rit today boy howdy

There is a 0% chance those two have not done it offscreen, and you know what? I'm happy for them.

Meanwhile, what kind of interests me is the implication there some kind of schism going on in the demon world. Last episode, back when Ruti got her mandatory airship she had a line of dialogue saying she was surprised by the demon that was protecting it but didn't say why other than to bring up demon politics, now we have a bit where Belial is chased off by another demon for drug dealing (who he calls a heretic), and after that goat boy seemed to actively want to work with the hero to kill the current demon lord judging by the way he strong-armed Albert. It seems to me there's going to be a demon Civil War in the near future, most likely over the effect of blessings given the framing of the series and what Ruti said. It wouldn't surprise me if the unrest in Zoltan is going to be a microcosm of much bigger events down the line of the story.

Kyoujin
Oct 7, 2009
Are there any banished from the party stories where the person actually is weak or falling behind? I remember there was one where the guy was getting weaker as he used his abilities but he was actually under a curse and once broken he was back to full OP abilities in like chapter 2.

khy
Aug 15, 2005

I know of a few that might fit what you're looking for, but typically they fall in one of these categories :

1) The protagonist is weak at <something> but strong in every other area. Because they're weak at that one particular thing they get the boot, but the party notices their other contributions were super important and thus they were still super valuable to the party beyond sheer fighting skill. (The guy from the OP is like this - he starts out strong but becomes weak later on compared to his teammates, but makes up for it in versatility and ability beyond just fighting)

2) The protagonist is weak and gets the boot, but immediately afterwards he finds the macguffin (Or trains, or learns he's been using his powers the wrong way, etc etc etc) which makes his weak powers super strong.

3) The protagonist is weak and gets the boot, but finds out they have some other talent they never knew they had before that makes them stupid powerful in some other way.

Here's one perhaps.

https://mangadex.org/title/2436b0ca...etirement-money

MC is asked to leave because he was a trainer and the party outgrew the need for his training abilities. But it was an amicable parting, so he got justly rewarded for his services and became a lord of a small area. Since his abilities center around training, he decides to train his people to make his land prosper. I haven't read it in a while but IIRC it has a fair amount of horny.

khy fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Nov 28, 2021

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Kyoujin posted:

Are there any banished from the party stories where the person actually is weak or falling behind? I remember there was one where the guy was getting weaker as he used his abilities but he was actually under a curse and once broken he was back to full OP abilities in like chapter 2.

Not really. Isekai or isekai-adjacents are all about escapist power trips so the protagonist is always special in some way. Either he's a very knowledgeable person or he was always powerful but never appreciated. Or he simply did not have a chance to show ~his true power~

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

khy posted:

https://mangadex.org/title/2436b0ca...etirement-money

MC is asked to leave because he was a trainer and the party outgrew the need for his training abilities. But it was an amicable parting, so he got justly rewarded for his services and became a lord of a small area. Since his abilities center around training, he decides to train his people to make his land prosper. I haven't read it in a while but IIRC it has a fair amount of horny.

The censoring on that one makes it look worse than it probably actually is, though the character it's applied to seems pretty fun.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Seraphic Neoman posted:

Aggressive plays from Rit today boy howdy

It's been great and refreshing to see an anime where relationships visibly progress on screen and not Inu Yasha'd forever and ever.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
the distrustful party one sort of fits. the mc is mostly mediocre with no special talents besides being the team mom.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I want an isekai where like, the popular girl gets transported and then either does super cut throat politics to get ahead or is otherwise able to act as the glue that keeps the party together sort of thing; either story idea interests me after watching the "Weak Character" cleans himself up and becomes popular anime.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Kyoujin posted:

Are there any banished from the party stories where the person actually is weak or falling behind? I remember there was one where the guy was getting weaker as he used his abilities but he was actually under a curse and once broken he was back to full OP abilities in like chapter 2.

This story Gideon was falling behind. He apparently would have just died had he stayed with them.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 28, 2021

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
gideon was a jeigan with insultingly low caps. by the time he left, he was more of an emotional support pet than a party member.

Kyoujin
Oct 7, 2009

MonsterEnvy posted:

This story Gideon was falling behind. He apparently would have just died had he stayed with them.

Yeah, I should have specified besides this one. It's part of what makes it so good. Gideon may be OP on a small frontier village but in the hero party it was his noncombat skills that were important after the party surpassed him.

Also, thanks for the link Khy. I'll check that one out.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Albert also for sure had more potential then Gideon. He was held back by his location.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

MonsterEnvy posted:

This story Gideon was falling behind. He apparently would have just died had he stayed with them.

He would have been just fine if he fell back to a non-combat role as the party manager and face. Instead Ares kicked out the only member not using CHA as a dump stat.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Kicking out Gideon is the fantasy equivalent of firing your support staff to increase your reporting profit before year end.

And then realising after year end that you need support staff for the company to function.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Kung Food posted:

He would have been just fine if he fell back to a non-combat role as the party manager and face. Instead Ares kicked out the only member not using CHA as a dump stat.

Well to be exact the author literally said he would have died had he stayed with them. (And the party would have rallied around his death). Gideon knew he was falling behind and agreed with Ares which is why he left without a word. (Which was for sure his mistake there)

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

MonsterEnvy posted:

Well to be exact the author literally said he would have died had he stayed with them. (And the party would have rallied around his death). Gideon knew he was falling behind and agreed with Ares which is why he left without a word. (Which was for sure his mistake there)

I feel like there's certainly a compromise position between these two extremes; like Ares obviously wanted to get rid of Gideon so he could have more influence over the Hero; an actual wise and observant individual looking out for the good of the team would've had that meeting with Gideon instead to work out a plan to account for Gideon falling behind because his contributions as the face are really important, in order to insure his safety and the safety of everyone else.

Ideally Gideon takes up a more ranged role maybe that puts him out of harms way in combat, maybe backing up the Sage/Wizard?

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
I just realised that a huge factor in all this is that Ares' sage blessing would be constantly pushing him to assume that he needed to manipulate everyone around them for their own good, also that he should ignore everyone else's opinions as irrelevant uninformed rubbish therefore he didn't need to consult anyone before making decisions on their behalf. He might not have an ulterior motive after all, his blessing might just turn him into an immense rear end in a top hat.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Raenir Salazar posted:

I feel like there's certainly a compromise position between these two extremes; like Ares obviously wanted to get rid of Gideon so he could have more influence over the Hero; an actual wise and observant individual looking out for the good of the team would've had that meeting with Gideon instead to work out a plan to account for Gideon falling behind because his contributions as the face are really important, in order to insure his safety and the safety of everyone else.

Ideally Gideon takes up a more ranged role maybe that puts him out of harms way in combat, maybe backing up the Sage/Wizard?

I feel Gideon should have talked to the rest of the party. If he had the party probably would not have fallen apart an hour after he left.

Kyoujin
Oct 7, 2009

MonsterEnvy posted:

I feel Gideon should have talked to the rest of the party. If he had the party probably would not have fallen apart an hour after he left.

Yeah that seems to be a staple of the genre so just have to ignore it I guess. Whether they are banished or leave willingly they don't talk it out with the party.

In a way Gideon is almost acting like Ares by thinking he knows what is best for the party and going through without discussing it first

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Kyoujin posted:

Yeah that seems to be a staple of the genre so just have to ignore it I guess. Whether they are banished or leave willingly they don't talk it out with the party.

In a way Gideon is almost acting like Ares by thinking he knows what is best for the party and going through without discussing it first

Gideon has a serious inferiority complex which nerds can project themselves on because of the knowledge of the limitations of his blessing and how he was always second to Ruti growing up

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Well the anime is ahead of the manga now. So it's soundly in LN territory now.

Tise was much more expressive in her inner monologues in the manga.




And Ruti suitably more bonkers.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Holy poo poo.

The anime version is more like, "Hrm yes, the most powerful words were uttered this day" and seemed well, wholesome, like there's hints something is wrong because we know her Blessing normally would suppress her from acting that way, and she seemed to have killed the Demon, not sure what happened with the other dude who was there; that manga panel makes very very scared instead.

kirtar
Sep 11, 2011

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
Good comedic relief spider.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


They really undersell how much Tise loving loves oden in the anime. I am not joking it's like 20% of what she ever thinks about.

also

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Ares took the loss of that airship really badly didn't he.

Onehandclapping
Oct 21, 2010
I read the mangadex and watched the two latest episodes that take place after it. The episodes were really sweet, and the interactions are nice to watch. The cheesecake is a bit much, with the vast majority of episode 10's emotional exposition happening between 3 naked women in a sauna, but the core of the show is interesting with the conflicts that are being set up and i'm looking forward to more.

There's like 3 ticking time bombs going on with Ruti and i'm down to watch this explode

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

kirtar posted:

Good comedic relief spider.

Assassin-chan and Mr Spider are doing their best and I hope good things happen to them.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
I was on the edge of my seat worried that the Hero would squish the spider.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



I'm sorry, what?

Is this story actually sci-fi?

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

Maybe it's just a Kumoko spinoff

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Tamba posted:

Maybe it's just a Kumoko spinoff

It's got similar animation quality!

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I laughed at Cool-Aid Ruti

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm sorry, what?

Is this story actually sci-fi?

It's apparently a common trend for your fantasy setting with video game mechanics to actually be scifi

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
A setting taking place in the far future after the fall of a modern/advanced civilization and after it got over its post apocalypse phase is a fairly common fantasy trope.

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kirtar
Sep 11, 2011

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
I see that, unsurprisingly, Ares learned nothing from the other time Ruti almost killed him.

Nitrousoxide posted:

It's got similar animation quality!

And it has a spider!

kirtar fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 16, 2021

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