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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Methinks an estate agent is about to get sued out of existence for failing to do any money laundering checks whatsoever.
I was thinking the same thing, except "conveyancer" and "get a mild slap on the wrist and then carry on exactly as normal because lmao the SRA is poo poo"

Private Speech posted:

What about tory mods.
Tories who are mods or people who moderate Tories?



Equally bad imo.

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

but demanding people do sex work to avoid losing their benefits is an interesting point.
We actually already do this, FYI

(brothel advertises on job centre Web site under some euphemism; job seeker turns up, realises it's a brothel; sanctioned for turning down work. No idea how common it is, but it's happened)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Honestly, credit for running towards the explosion

Borrovan
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fuctifino posted:

I take it I'm correct in that nothing has been mentioned so far about the ethnicity and nationality of the bomber and those arrested?
It is not being treated as terror related despite 3 arrests by counter terror police

He white, OP

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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josh04 posted:

I think it's been upgraded to A Terrorism now, as of this morning.
I stand corrected

I'm still sticking with my bet though, they were pretty quick to call it a terror when that British Somali guy tweeted anonymously at that Tory

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Solefald posted:

Lmao the gently caress is that reporting
"we don't know anything other than he was BROWN AND THEREFORE MUSLIMIST"


Well that's me told again, I'd have bet good money it was a white guy

Also there is a foolproof way to deal with the ads on YouTube, it's called paying for premium (yes it's me the weirdo that does that, it comes with my music subscription don't @ me)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jedit posted:

using a bomb is inherently an act of terror.
I was arguing about this with someone a while ago - is it? If I murder someone with a knife because I think they're a dick, that's just murder, but if I blow them up it's terrorism?

Terrorism is actually extremely difficult to define, & international discourse on the subject is kinda toxic due to countries like the US refusing to accept any definition that could conceivably apply to state terrorism. Imo it's actually a fairly pointless label, applied selectively to stigmatise certain groups. There are valid reasons to treat indiscriminate violence perpetrated against the general population for political reasons differently to "ordinary" violence, just the same as we treat hate crime differently to regular crime, but nobody can come up with a sensible definition that catches that without also catching state violence, our own security services & whatever overseas freedom fighters support the state's interests this week.

So instead we have terrorism = the violence done by the bad people, who we know are bad because they're terrorists.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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forkboy84 posted:

Most of the stuff 15 year old me liked was nu-metal which has aged about as gracefully as an orange left on the counter for a year
I hated nu metal at the time because it wasn't :argh:real metal:argh:, but in hindsight most of it is pretty fun, I quite enjoy it now :shrug:

Sure would have been nice if there were fewer f-slurs in it tho

Borrovan
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radmonger posted:

I don’t see there as being any such thing as a ‘correct definition’, only ones that are more or less useful. Making the distinction between terrorism, state terror, war crimes, genocide and so on seems to me useful because they are different things with different properties, causes and remedies.
This is kinda my original point, that the "was it a terrorism y/n" discourse that surrounds these kinds of events is generally unhelpful, because it doesn't draw any such distinction & is based on completely arbitrary, political & often racist criteria. The definition that you posit is not good, because it would include lots of antifascism (covert, public violence against nazis) but would not include Anders Breivik (overt). In fact, the sensible definition that most scholars prefer is more like what I put in my original post - indiscriminate violence against the general population in order to inspire fear for a political purpose - but the state won't accept that for reasons that we've already gone over, so the "y/n" discourse is forever trying to square the circle of reconciling how the word is actually understood with arbitrary definitions that aren't fit for purpose, so the meaning of terrorism becomes so mangled as to be useless, and the categorisation of something as terrorism or not terrorism becomes quibbling over semantics & has zero relationship to the actual utility of the classification.

In academic study, there are sometimes reasons to lump e.g. state terror, paramilitary groups, "lone wolf" nutjobs &c into one category so that you can examine common threads (e.g. my partner's research focuses on terrorist propaganda, wrt which there are common themes throughout all 3 of the above that you can draw lessons from). In terms of public policy, it might be more helpful to be more discriminatory, since very different responses are necessary to organised paramilitaries, angry loners having mental health crises, hostile foreign powers, far right groups &c. Or, it might not, when you can identity the same patterns of behaviour in e.g. radicalisation,* or the utility of counternarratives.

The point is, when I hear people/the news discussing whether or not something is terrorism, I tend to roll my eyes because people tend to just either go on an unexamined emotional assumption or uncritically accept the state's obvious nonsense or both, without considering (a)what they're basing the definition on, or (b)what the contextual purpose of the distinction even is. In general, a better question than "was this a terror" is just "what were the motives".

*for the record this is another phrase that gets flung around in terrorist discourse without considering its meaning & therefore producing stupid & counterproductive results. Like, where someone starts at point A "my ethnic/national/religious group is being oppressed" & works their way to point B "therefore blow up a bunch of innocent people", the state seems to think that point A is the radicalisation rather than point B, and so just do stuff like Prevent which only exacerbates the fact that actually point A is often a fair loving point

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Nov 17, 2021

Borrovan
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Yeah honestly respect for that

There's a weird mentality with prison wardens where they don't seem to understand that the deprivation of liberty is the punishment & it's not their job to punish people more, so they take it upon themselves to generally make life lovely for everyone (in particular the elderly & disabled, since it's easier). I know some people itt take issue with the phrase "the cruelty is the point", but, in this case, the cruelty is the point.

Borrovan
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Regarde Aduck posted:

'terrorism' has a negative connotation by consensus. So no, the majority of people would not recognise something as 'justified' or 'good' terrorism. Which means you shouldn't use it that way if you want a conversation to go anywhere.
This is a large part of why the discourse is so poisonous, because it's largely just a question of whether the state considers a group or incident to be sufficiently spooky scary.

In fact, the definitions that scholars prefer are by definition bad (even if it's sometimes for a good cause or w/e), since terrorism has to be indiscriminate. So (to pick a couple of edge cases), targeted violence against, say, members of Combat 18 (a group of specific individuals) is not terrorism, whereas mass violence against gay people (a general population) is.

My partner's particularly interested in loyalist violence in NI, which gets extremely muddy. Especially when the state wades in saying "nonono not us, but plz also include that turf struggle between criminal gangs kthx"

Borrovan
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:

In a vaccum, stripped of all context, you're right. Materially speaking, the word "terrorism" has hugely negative connotations.
Negative connotations, but no moral weight.

The YPG is a proscribed terrorist organisation, but the Free Syrian Army is not. Only one of those groups has substantiated allegations of war crimes against it, but hey it happens to be the one that's politically useful to the West so nbd.

As actually used, it's pretty much a political designation.

Borrovan
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Guavanaut posted:

Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist, on account of his terrorism convictions that he had, but usually the only people who make a point of raising that are attempting to give it moral weight.
Yeah, attempting. Him being a convicted terrorist doesn't make him a bad person, that's just a political designation. In fact, I'd say those people are more relying on the negative connotations to create an illusion of moral weight which the word "terrorist" doesn't have.

Which might be exactly your point, I'm tired and brokebrained atm, my bad if so

Borrovan
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radmonger posted:

by definition,
You're presupposing here that these actions do, in fact, carry intrinsic moral weight

i.e. that your original statement is false

Almost as if you don't actually believe it & just feel like arguing (badly) about semantics

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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I refuse to believe that that isn't satire

Borrovan
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I read it instead of being on time for work & I'm happy with my choice :shrug:

Borrovan
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LSWU (the UVW thing) was set up by the Haldane Society back when I used to be involved with them (I was nothing to do with it but kinda knew the people that were), they're good eggs broadly speaking,* committed leftists with a lot of expertise. No idea how it's been going since it was set up mind.

Literally everybody involved at the start was London based, the one thing that I'd caution is that the people involved had a bit of a habit of forgetting that there was such a place as not-London. Hopefully that's changed now, idk though.

*the other thing I'd caution is that there's loads of trots & quite a few tankies in Haldane, but the tankies tend to get shouted down, the trots are far from the worst I've encountered, & iirc the people actually involved in setting up LSWU were broadly the ones with their heads screwed on. It is a left wing union though, and specialised, so basically with the proviso that idk how well it's been going I'd say it's probably the best shout

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Nov 18, 2021

Borrovan
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City centre here is entirely pedestrianised & I've got a very disabled friend whom I often drive into town, there's a load of free disabled parking right outside the mobility scooter place, it works absolutely fine, they cost less to hire than I'd spend on non-disabled parking anyway & she's got total independence to go about town whilst I get a sandwich or w/e

If towns don't have that facility then they definitely should because it's amazing, imo pedestrianisation+scooters is far better than hoping some oval office hasn't parked in the disabled bay you need (ime probably slightly better than even that they have).

But I guess you don't get signal boosted by the car nonces if you push for that

Borrovan
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Guavanaut posted:

There's no real advantage to car nonces from having a pedestrian area that acknowledges that some people cannot always easily pedester
Well, there is to the disabled ones

But yeah I was mostly alluding to those anti pedestrianisation protests you sometimes see with like a dozen gammons & exactly one disabled person that they're using as a smokescreen. Used to see loads of them in Bristol

Borrovan
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Here's an example I was teaching about yesterday of how seriously our courts take international human rights law:

s335A(3) Insolvency Act 1986 posted:

Where [an application to the court to sell a bankrupt person's home] is made after the end of the period of one year beginning with the first vesting ... of the bankrupt’s estate in a trustee, the court shall assume, unless the circumstances of the case are exceptional, that the interests of the bankrupt’s creditors outweigh all other considerations.
"Exceptional" circumstances basically mean terminal illness & almost nothing else. For example, case law tells us that the care needs of a disabled child are not "exceptional", so the interests of the bankrupt's creditors automatically prevail.

The courts think that this is perfectly consistent with:

Art 3 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child posted:

In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration
...because s335A(3) involves "something of a balancing act".

Because occasionally not disregarding the child's needs entirely is definitely the same thing as always regarding them as a primary consideration.

Borrovan
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ThomasPaine posted:

Finkelstein is a very cool lad who is absolutely up to here with people cynically exploiting his parent's memory to legitimise far right political projects iirc
Yeah that's always been my impression. But, googling what Jakabite was talking about is a bit :chloe:

Jewish Chronicle posted:

Dismissing suggestions that you should be labelled an antisemite if you denied the Holocaust or if you “call Jews killers of Christ”, Mr Finkelstein said: "I don’t know if Jews killed Christ or not – those are things that should be debated and you come up with your own conclusions.”

Mr Finkelstein – whose own parents were the only members of his family to survive the Holocaust – then moved on to praise David Irving, who was labelled an “antisemite and racist” by a High Court judge after famously  losing his libel suit against the historian Deborah Lipstadt.

He said: “David Irving was a very good historian – I don’t care what Richard Evans (the historian who was a key player in the Lipstadt libel trial) says. He produced works that are substantive…If you don’t like it, don’t read it. In the case of Irving, he knew a thing or two – or three.”

Mr Finkelstein continued: “I don’t see the reason to get excited about Holocaust deniers. First of all I don’t know what a Holocaust denier even is.

“People say if you deny the centrality of the six million Jews being killed and you try to bring in other groups of people you become a Holocaust denier.

“Other people say if you deny the centrality of the gas chambers you become a Holocaust denier.”

Addressing what he said was “the question of numbers”, Mr Finkelstein said: “How many were killed? Those are statistical scholarly questions.

“Why can’t we answer a number with a number and present our sources?”

Mr Finkelstein also revealed he had been interested in the actions of “this rapper Mr Wiley".

He said some of his tweets were “awful” while others were “provocative” but he said Wiley had “the right to say what he wants”.
Like I'm absolutely sure the JC would twist what he said our of context as much as possible to make him look bad, but jfc, how much context can be missing there

Borrovan
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goddamnedtwisto posted:

mostly I didn't like the sensation of not being able to trust my own senses.
This is generally my experience of hallucinogens, I don't actually hallucinate very much at all but just get faintly annoyed as my brain works double time to translate everything back into what it's supposed to be.

However, liberty caps give me a nice warm fuzzy feeling which frankly just feels great, hallucinations notwithstanding (which is good news, because my buddy found & dried a load a few weeks back :D)

Guavanaut posted:

Have you ever wondered what is like to live the life of HBO's hit dramedy Succession, available on HBO Max and Amazon Prime from only £1.89?
Yeah this definitely reads like an ad. If they're not being paid for it, the author should be sacked.

(if they are being paid for it, the author should still be sacked because they make it sound poo poo)

Borrovan
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The Perfect Element posted:

I thoroughly recommend foraging for liberty caps, or hell, just foraging in general, to all goons.

Every year, a bunch of us go to this amazing spot in Wales, hire an Airbnb, pick shrooms in the mountains all day, then go home and brew them all up in tea.

The foraging itself is just such a lovely way to spend a few hours. It's very peaceful, and you really have an opportunity to have some great conversations, or just be alone with your thoughts while focusing on a simple activity. Plus, you know, if you have a successful day then you can get delightfully high in the evening as well.
My buddy I mentioned upthread is getting well into mushroom hunting. Not just the magic ones, it sounds like a cool hobby in general & I'm gutted I've been too busy to head out with him. There's loads of delicious edible ones about, but you can also just like, go looking at cool mushrooms, take some pictures, then go home & get a book out & learn about what you found.

Here's some of the mushroom photos I've been sent lately:

Borrovan
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Sky News have got an aerial photo of the parking situation, & the police tape being up suggests it's probably an accurate slice-of-life:



I don't condone murder outside of very limited circumstances, and if I did condone murder here it'd probably be the developers not the residents, but

yeesh

Borrovan
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Grey Hunter posted:

When my brother bought his house eight years ago on a new build, the rule was a minimum 1.5 parking spaces per house, so of course that's exactly what they built. Apparently that's the average number of cars a family has nationally - which of course discounts those people who live in cities and use public transport, if you live in an area with no decent links then you are out of luck.

Our rented neighbors are not talking to us as we complained to the letting agent because they kept parking across our drive preventing us access, we tried to talk to them, but they were never in or answered the door/notes, so we had to escalate. They are also trying to fit two cars and a van on the front of a two bed semi, and have two other partners for the adult children, and another child with kids who visit regularly - meaning there can by up to six cars trying to park on an already busy street at once.
I tend to take the view that parking is not a human right, ime (& round here at least) the council are pretty good at making sure that disabled people can have a disabled spot, & a bit of walking isn't going to hurt anyone else. I say this as someone who lives in a two-car household in a notorious poo poo-parking area (as in, local press does a story on the parking on my road at least once a year). The problem here is that the council keep approving more homes to be converted into HMOs, which is a bigger problem in terms of "there are no family homes for local families" than "if I come home at the wrong time of day I might have to cruise around for 10 minutes and walk a quarter mile".

People just get utterly entitled when it comes to parking spots, regardless of actual "right". In fact, there's probably an interesting lesson there in terms of the psychological concept of "ownership": the fact that "I'm using it it's mine" is such a strong psychological instinct is regarded as the strongest justification for the law of adverse possession, how people actually think about what "property" means is radically different from what the law says. Essentially, the human brain just outright rejects "private property" in favour of "personal property" in pretty much any real-world application, & it's remarkable that the exact opposite is true in political discourse.

Borrovan
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If so, I also don't see why it's any of his business

If he didn't want to pay your heating bills he shouldn't have contracted to pay your heating bills

Borrovan
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Jel Shaker posted:

it’s kinda the same thing with the johnson family tbf
Literally all arch-Tory grifters, even the one who defected to piss tories & tinge UK because it suited her grift better?

Borrovan
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imo Jaeluni's post was the worse nightmare fuel.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Shadow Secretary of State of Climate Change and Net Zero: Ed Miliband
Shadow Attorney General: Emily Thornberry
These two alone aren't terrible I guess - which I think makes this the worst Labour front bench since Gordon Brown? Like correct me if I'm wrong but there's not one single socialist on there, only ^two "soft left", and every single prominent right winger on the Labour benches except JessFlips?

I'm not surprised, just disappointed (however, lol@'flips)

Borrovan
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Angepain posted:

That "what did you do during the war, daddy?" poster but the answer is "make a few snippy subtweets at the Nazis but also sometimes work for them"
ftfy

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Borrovan
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NotJustANumber99 posted:

where was the cold for those 18 months? Someone was sitting there with it for all that time?
strains of flu have literally been going extinct

my 10 week old has slept through the night since day 1. Insisted on doing it on my chest for the first week or 2 mind, but I feel like I've won the lottery & look forward to my karmic punishment

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