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Ershalim posted:I think maybe I explained that badly. It's not that no facts can possibly matter and so we shouldn't ever bother to teach people anything, it's that the objections to things like CRT and Socialism and gender and all that aren't based on factual understandings of any kind. They're entirely cultural and the animosity they derive comes from challenging a world-view that has been coddled by literally everything most people have ever been exposed to. There is a lot in a school's curriculum that becomes accepted as objective fact, and a lot of it wasn't even put there intentionally. I have no response to most of what you said, but I have something to say about common core specifically. Common core had an atrocious problem with "the devil is in the details". The basic idea, "Let's make sure all the kids in the US learn these common concepts!" wasn't bad. The implementation was HORRIBLE. Here's a YouTube video (by CNBC) explaining just how godawful common core implementation was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Z9gBKuTIk&t=1s Browse the comments for nightmare stories from people who lived through common core as students, solved math problems, got the correct answer, and got a zero grade because they didn't solve it *specifically through the common core method*, even when the method they used (and that their parents before them used) worked perfectly fine, and arguably better. Now, imagine you're a parent, your kid is struggling with common core math class, and you can't even help them because the way you know to solve math problems is not accepted and will flunk your kid out of class. This should help clarify why common core, as tried in US public schools, was an overall an objective failure.
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Twelve by Pies posted:This is a bad comparison because there's really only one right way to identify clauses in English, there isn't an alternate method aside from "just guessing." Math can have multiple methods to solutions than guessing. Quoting for emphasis, Twelve by Pies explained it far better than I did. Students were showing their work, which obviously is required to test their understanding of math, and getting punished anyway because the work they showed, and the method they used, was not specifically the common core method. When I say that common core objectively failed, I mean that after years of trying, its effects were studied by experts the results were a wash at best. https://www.educationnext.org/common-core-has-not-worked-forum-decade-on-has-common-core-failed/ I don't think the majority of parents don't want to hold their kids down. I think the majority of parents want their kids to do as well as they did, or better. This is seen in the rise of house prices in areas that have good schools, and in the efforts parents go to give their kid an advantage (hiring tutors or sending them to summer school). The Atlantic article someone posted earlier mentioned how Virginia schools were closed more than most other schools (due to COVID), and that was straining some parents to the breaking point. You know that truck driver Republican who may have (I'm not sure what the final count is) defeated his incumbent Democrat opponent? He had a kid with Down syndrome, who was forced to stay home for a year because of COVID, and the kid aged out of the school's Down syndrome program; no effort was made to adjust for a year of COVID. It's one of the things that motivated the truck driver to run. One other note, about schools teaching kids to be punctual. Yes, in the US public schools do emphasize that students have to be on time, because that is 100% a required skill for adulting in the US. Other countries have different cultures that are more lax about punctuality, sure, but unless a kid is going to live in one of those countries they absolutely need the soft skill of managing their schedule to be on time, or else they won't be able to hold down (almost) any job.
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