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Yeah, that's just Dune. Not to be a dick but have you read the original source material or are you attempting to make a reading on something that's only half of the text?
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Sanguinia posted:To be fair, judging the material as presented rather than in the context of its original source is reasonable. And like I said I haven't seen the new version. But I do feel like if you're saying things like "The Fremen are appropriating Arab culture," or "Paul is a bog standard White Savior," or talking about the problematic treatment of women in this neo-feudal society, you might be failing to grasp the fullness of the text, because that is all very much Oh yeah, and having seen the movie I do get where Jaxyon is coming from since I think they tossed out some more overt references for modern sensibilities and wanting to be more race blind while making a story that just isn't. But if you're noticing that Paul is a bog standard white savior, yeah, good noticing, they'll deal with that in part 2. Edit: the movie can't stand on it's own in that it's one half of one book. It's 2 movies that are one whole. Got to sell those tickets. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 21:21
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This is like walking out of the intermission of Sound of Music and wondering why it was so kind and chill about the Nazis
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Nov 2, 2021 21:26
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Jaxyon posted:If they split the movie into two 2.5 hour musicals and the nazi stuff was in the latter one maybe. Yeah that parts pretty dumb. It wouldn't make sense for any of the groups to be racially homogeneous but if you're filming in the region hire some actors from the region. It's easy.
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Nov 2, 2021 21:34
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Jaxyon posted:Yes it is easy, which makes it a choice. Nothing ruins a movie like the movie business.
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Nov 2, 2021 21:37
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Yeah, I do think they need to do a lot of work to explain what's going on. I just don't think it's a great piece of media to look at what the story is saying if you're just looking at Dune 2021. It's one of two films adapting a book with the director being pretty clear the two films are one whole. It's a 2 year intermission for an incomplete work. Honestly overall I thought it was the most competent version while being boring. Nothing new to say so far, used most of its time establishing the most basic plot details, and I do think the casting choices are bad. I like Vilenauve but his entire career was so influenced by Lynch's Dune that this might be one of the less visually interesting films he's done. Edit: if I had to compare the two I think this one is better at helping you understand what's happening while not giving you much to care about and Lynch's Dune gave you a lot of interesting and likable characters with no understanding of what's happening to them. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Nov 2, 2021 |
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Nov 2, 2021 21:49
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The FROM games really do work better when you look at them as allegory or myth. They're not really creation myths, though the series deals with them a lot, and they're not really apocalyptic stories. I guess they're myths about decline, stories about the entropic forces that will bring us to an end if allowed. At least Souls/Bloodborne/Sekiro. Eh, Sekiro is more about conflict and power, what it takes to hold it and what endless conflict does to people and how they will go to seek it out. I think all of those games have something to say about society too. Or at the least they all depict societies. You're moving through the bones of abandoned ones. In Bloodborne you're only given glimpses of the full society but you're in a specific place on a specific night.
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Nov 3, 2021 04:04
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Jaxyon posted:As I've not read the series, it sounds like the Paul/Paul's son is a despot in order to force the galaxy to rise against him/them. So like the ultimate white saviorism. Which doesn't make it right. Leto II, Paul's son, turns into a sandworm and contains all of the generic memories of every human who previously lived and is really a council of personalities from that genetic memory. He's doing all of this so that humans will spread out among the universe and not be in one place where they can be controlled by one ruler and be open to a possible future threat that could wipe out all of humanity. He also makes it so that humans can no longer use the spice to have the ability to see into the future because technically what you're doing is looking at all possible options with enough clarity that you actually know what might happen and what's the most likely thing to happen and this ability has trapped humans because of the elites attempts to make sure it all happens as they want The books are absolutely insane by the end. I honestly don't think I could summarize everything they're trying to say because it's a lot and it keeps getting crazier.
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Nov 4, 2021 03:18
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Aramis posted:Which segues nicely into Pratchett. While most of his social critique is not exactly subtle, everything related to Havelock Vetinari points towards even a comically unrealistic super-genius with effectively boundless power and influence being barely able to vaguely steer society. Finally, the classics! Though I'm always split between him and Douglas Adams. I prefer Adams voice but I find Pratchett more poignant.
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Nov 5, 2021 01:52
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Raenir Salazar posted:Uh, I am pretty sure people mistakingly think Animal Farm is a critique of socialism, which is incorrect as Orwell was an English Socialist, but is is a critique of Stalin/the USSR, as Orwell fought in the Lincoln brigades and would've seen first hand the Stalinists kneecapping the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War. Yeah, it's a critique of Stalinism and really Stalin himself. The animals never really regret killing the farmer or that they changed the order of things, they regret the pigs becoming the farmer.
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Nov 18, 2021 22:50
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Sanguinia posted:The fun thing about Animal Farm is how its one of the major sources for western lionization of Trotsky. The CIA made sure to fix it in the movie
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Nov 19, 2021 00:20
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Warcraft might be one of the best examples of how you can't make a anti-war war movie. The whole message is that war is hell and the conflict is stupid and they shouldn't be fighting. But between storyteller incompetence and the need for it to be an endless franchise it just constantly glorifies racial holy war.
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Nov 19, 2021 20:53
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Cpt_Obvious posted:WC2 definite had a good vs evil theme, it wasn't until 3 that they changed the orcs into noble savages which is a bit My favorite Warcraft game is the original so to be honest I consider most of the lore to be heresy. I mean, the real answer is that the series is about nothing because it's a million writers with a million bosses and the company has apparently been an offshoot of US intelligence for some years now so who knows what the gently caress they're trying to say. But it kind of seems like war bad? But also good?
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Nov 19, 2021 21:31
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but whatcha gonna do with 2000's media.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Yeah as it turns out a lot of people are attracted to a narrative involving a Hard Man Making Hard Choices For The Greater Good. Even in the fictional world where the person who scrawled that was undoubtedly a victim of those choices. I assumed it's more the marvel world equivalent of goons putting Benny Hill over 9/11 video
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Nov 30, 2021 14:51
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Hunt11 posted:It is an insane plan that by the very definition of the way life works means that you would have to keep on doing it forever. So instead of using a super powerful device to try and deal with the issue long term Thanatos just fucks off and congratulates himself on a job well done despite fixing nothing. I would have much preferred it if they went with one of his comic book motivations in trying to woo death. Still stupid but at least it makes some actual sense. It really would of been the better option. Especially since they now have no problem introducing people to the really gonzo comic stuff like the celestials.
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Nov 30, 2021 18:53
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