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Poonior Toilett
Aug 21, 2004

m'lady

We live in a world where Canada might very well qualify for this world cup and still won't be the worst team there

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Andoman
Nov 7, 2021

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi

Poonior Toilett posted:

We live in a world where Canada might very well qualify for this world cup and still won't be the worst team there

Wait for the expanded WC in 2026

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE
You only have to be better than Qatar to not be the worst team at the tournament

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007

You've gone through at the back

If you're going to have the world cup in boring, car-dominated cities, why not just give it to the US?

ItohRespectArmy
Sep 11, 2019

Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Two Time International Princess champion, winner of two tournaments, a Princess Tag Team champion, And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"

has anyone said the shatar world cup yet

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

ItohRespectArmy posted:

has anyone said the shatar world cup yet

i think you're the first

Andoman
Nov 7, 2021

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi

ItohRespectArmy posted:

has anyone said the shatar world cup yet

Its all yours - Own it.

hello i am phone
Nov 24, 2005
¿donde estoy?

ItohRespectArmy posted:

has anyone said the shatar world cup yet

In spanish it would be mundial de cacar.
It checks out

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Al2001 posted:


If you're going to have the world cup in boring, car-dominated cities, why not just give it to the US?

Seattle is already putting in a bid for 2026. It’s part of a joint Canada/Mexico/US bid.

I just want to know how you do that without violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

L.H.O.O.Q.
Jan 3, 2013

:coal:
Very carefully

Andoman
Nov 7, 2021

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi

Solkanar512 posted:



I just want to know how you do that without violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

You probably don't but instead hope someone looks the other way

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Solkanar512 posted:

Seattle is already putting in a bid for 2026. It’s part of a joint Canada/Mexico/US bid.

I just want to know how you do that without violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

You give them a nice box of domestic wine as a courtesy and then make a surprised face when your bid loses to the guys who slipped an envelope of cash under the hotel door.

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Aug 6, 2013


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vyelkin posted:

You give them a nice box of domestic wine as a courtesy and then make a surprised face when your bid loses to the guys who slipped an envelope of cash under the hotel door.

Who then burned down the hotel to hide the evidence.

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug
Last time I posted in TRP I got shot down, if I recall, for the crime of (checks notes) living in Qatar. I've recently returned to the UK after 21 years living in Doha - AMA.

Except about corruption. I don't know anything about that.

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente
What's the best spot for cruising?

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire

Teach posted:

Last time I posted in TRP I got shot down, if I recall, for the crime of (checks notes) living in Qatar. I've recently returned to the UK after 21 years living in Doha - AMA.

Except about corruption. I don't know anything about that.

You think it’s gonna be a disaster or…?

Eau de MacGowan
May 12, 2009

BRASIL HEXA
2026 tá logo aí
How many slaves can i get for a tenner

Weaponized Cum
Aug 31, 2004


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How many escorts did you gently caress

L.H.O.O.Q.
Jan 3, 2013

:coal:
How did you get your passport back in order to leave?

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
Which stadium most looks like a giant vagina?

Andoman
Nov 7, 2021

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi
Would you go back?

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009

Total Meatlove posted:

Which stadium most looks like a giant vagina?

Which stadium looks most like a stadium and not an unfinished pile of construction materials

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug
In order,

jeebus bob posted:

What's the best spot for cruising?


Weaponized Cum posted:

How many escorts did you gently caress

Seems to be essentially the same question. Cruising? Dunno. I had a couple of colleagues sacked (over the twenty years) for being gay. They were given a couple of weeks' notice to leave the country and paid off something like six months' salary. Cruise around the malls on a Friday night if you want a local twink, or hit the beach hotels, I guess, IDK, I'm nearly fifty and was married for all the years I was there. But cool Gotcha!s about how prostitution and homosexuality both exist, I guess.


L.H.O.O.Q. posted:

How did you get your passport back in order to leave?


Eau de MacGowan posted:

How many slaves can i get for a tenner

Again, maybe the same question. I always had my passport, but then I'm a white male. My family (including kids) could come and go without me, without my say-so, but then Qatar has always been more liberal than Saudi, or Bahrain. There was a big problem with unscrupulous employment agencies operating out of Nepal and Pakistan, mainly, selling young men a dream of a fortune that they could send home to their families - dreams that turned out to be just that. This is less of a problem in the country now, but I'm sure it's still there.

There's a better question to be asked of the Qataris about what they think of other nations, other nationalities. During my time in Doha, my school hired a very well qualified Chemistry teacher from Nepal, and that went to poo poo quite quickly. Many of the younger kids, the early teens, behaved terribly towards him because the Nepalese were, in their experience, the bottom end of that caste ladder - they were the construction workers, the cleaners. Not Diploma/A-Level/AP Chemistry teachers. He ended up doing ten days in chokey while the police investigated (spurious) allegations that he'd insulted some students. He was departed after that. Not a proud moment for my school


Gigi Galli posted:

You think it’s gonna be a disaster or…?

A cautious "No". Remember the run-up to Russia 2018 when everyone was predicting riots, clashes, violence? Pundits are more often right than wrong, and Qatar has a lot riding on this. There will be things happening in 2022 that Qatar have never done before - I think the drinking will be contained in large Fan Zones, for example, but as someone said, this thread or another, I don't know how prepared the authorities are for how entrenched, how central, alcohol is to football, for much of the world.

But remember, that for much of the world, it isn't. For the Arabic world, and for much of Africa, alcohol doesn't have an instant association with beer. It's a world cup - the cultural approach to football isn't the same around the world. (Of course.)

Transport is going to be tricky. Hotels are going to be full. Roads might be crammed. But schools will be out, and I think there will be a spike of Air B'n'Bs. Cruise-liners docked off the port? Who knows.


Total Meatlove posted:

Which stadium most looks like a giant vagina?

A competition of one, sadly, but the winner's a doozy.



The stadia are nice, and pretty finished - the Club World Cup was held at the Education City stadium, and it went off fine. (I used to work at Education City.)

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sport/football/qatar-world-cup-stadiums-2022/

Al Bayt stadium looks like a traditional Arabic house of hair. Al Thumama stadium looks like a gahfiya, the cap that Arabic men wear under their head-dress.


Andoman posted:

Would you go back?

Yeah. I've got friends there, I can stay there for free, and walk to Education City. It was a good place to live, and we had a great 21 years there. Qatar is a young country and has some growing pains, but it has experienced huge developments over the last couple of decades. We left, with perfect timing, just the year before the WC. So it goes.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007

BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Teach posted:



alcohol doesn't have an instant association with beer

You'll never recover from this

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
mods rename me Supreme Committee for Delivery & Legacy

ozmunkeh
Feb 28, 2008

hey guys what is happening in this thread
Sounds like a real shithole, op. I’m happy for your bank account.

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug


I could say I was doing my bit to help a developing country - I taught siblings of the current Emir, and some very important people. And I enjoyed my time there. But I wouldn't have spent 20 years away from my friends and family for peanuts. I saw some great football teams - England, Barcelona, Liverpool - and other great sport. Qatar understands that the gas money won't last forever and is trying to branch out - sport, education, art.

Tsaedje posted:

You'll never recover from this

I'll leave the typo in for my shame. Try this -

quote:

football doesn't have an instant association with beer

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




I'm not gonna poo poo on you for earning a living but if you do that checks notes thing again for taking flack for how you earned that living so help me I'm gonna press buttons

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost
OP, I also did the sexpat teach abroad thing in the mid-2000's in a different authoritarian hellhole whose desperate thirst for international validation led them to embark on similar vanity projects to show they'd "arrived," so I'm always interested to hear from others things like:
  • how did you find a job there to begin with
  • what caused you to go from whatever you were doing before to that (better pay I guess is the default answer)
  • did you remain a teacher your entire time there or did you move to other profession(s) once you were established there
  • you were there quite a long time and seems like you established a decent life there - what caused you to recently leave
  • knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently in your time there

I'll hang up and listen, thanks

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:

I'm not gonna poo poo on you for earning a living

And this is why you will never make it as a D&D mod

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug

sticksy posted:

I'll hang up and listen, thanks

Check your PMs.

Poonior Toilett
Aug 21, 2004

m'lady

qatar's liberal as hell, except for the massive racisms that got a guy arrested and deported for no reason

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug
I mean,

Poonior Toilett posted:

INSERT COUNTRY HERE liberal as hell, except for the massive racisms that got a guy arrested and deported for no reason

kinda works, too.

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
As a semi-serious question: how will the authorities react to any naughtiness? Like you said there's probably going to be alcohol-friendly fan zones and I've just got visions of the qatar qops just wading into a crowd of badly sunburned England fans who've been drinking nonstop since they got off the plane. Is it likely they'll be told to cool it a bit from how they'd typically deal with such incidents?

Obviously the cost of flying out will put off a lot of fans who were breaking into Wembley because it was easy to get to but it just feels set up for Baz and Gaz to get their passports taken off them and detained indefinitely for doing the German bombers song and Boris is going to have to give a statement about it and it's all I will hear about for months

Eau de MacGowan
May 12, 2009

BRASIL HEXA
2026 tá logo aí
dont bring gareth barry into this, hes a good lad

Teach
Mar 28, 2008


Pillbug

the sex ghost posted:

As a semi-serious question:

I've slept on this, and I'm not sure I'm any closer to answering your question. I've got a few data points, but I don't feel confident enough to extrapolate them into a prediction for what's going to happen at something that's never happened before.

Back in January 2020 I took my family to meet friends for a low-key boozy brunch, and the hotel had been taken over by Liverpool fans, there for the club world cup, and it was all very good-natured and friendly. The competition went off without a hitch, no worries.





Things had clearly improved since 2011 when I wrote this about the Asian Cup Final between Japan and Australia - note my last line.

a younger Teach posted:

I was at the match last night, and most of the bits have been covered - great display from the Japanese keeper, Aus profligate in front of goal, and these two things coming together with two fluffed one on ones. The Japanese spent most of the game passing the ball round the midfield hoping that the Aus goal would move closer. (Lovely goal to win it, though.)

The main worry for me was the piss poor organisation. We had tickets, were sat 30mins before kick-off, and just got in by some accounts. The police closed the gate to all comers, even those with legitimate tickets, with about 20 mins to go. This led to an angry pissed-off mob outside. We were vaguely aware of this inside the stadium, as some friends of ours were locked out.

Worse than this was the fiasco outside after the match. The gates remained locked and closed as the 10,000 or so who didn't want to watch the awards ceremony left. We got to the gates and were simply told that we couldn't leave for safety reasons. It was all starting to get very heated - lots of families, lots of kids, and lots more people coming out to join us. It never developed into a crush, but it made me very nervous, and the lack of information was shocking.

(Turns out that the organisers had set up the huge firework display to be launched mainly from the car park that pedestrians would be walking through/past when leaving, and the police were keeping us in until the end of the display.)

Lots of very angry and pissed off people - good job there was no alcohol available in the stadium, maybe.

So which way is it going to go in 2022?

I think it'll be OK. The rate of development in Qatar is incredibly fast, and the government are very aware that everyone will be watching. I think there will probably be a softly-softly approach to fans, but I do worry about fans pushing past that cotton wool approach and hitting the hard surface underneath.

All organisations in Qatar have a strict hierarchy and there's a very jobsworth attitude, as people don't want to make a mistake, they don't want to act on their initiative in case they make an error and get poo poo-canned. There's very little scope for improvisation. The police will be the same - if one particular group of officers have been told to "keep fans in that section there", then they will do so.

I think that the location, the difficulties in getting there, the lack of hotel rooms, etc, might prevent boozy fans from reaching a critical mass. We'll see.

TLDL: dunno, be OK I guess?

Mickolution
Oct 1, 2005

Ballers...I put numbers on the boards
Don't FIFA set up their own courts and take over the police to an extent during tournaments? I know they did in 2010 and I would guess it'll happen here, with a lot of fines handed out.

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
Just 9 months away!

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1506251618320277513?s=20&t=bYjJMchUilzieqav21FyMw

quote:

“Now, everybody knows that I find that ridiculous,” said Van Gaal, whose Dutch side have qualified for the finals after missing the 2018 tournament. “It’s ridiculous that we are going to play in a country – how does Fifa say it? To develop the football there. That is bullshit. But it doesn’t matter – it’s about money, commercial interests. That’s the main motive of Fifa."

Van gaal rules and I appreciate his commitment to just kicking off at all times.

Also in predictable cursed world cup news: crypto.com announced as official world cup sponsor. Looking forward to someone trying to explain cryptocurrency to mark lawrenson during some group stage game where players boots are melting off their feet

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
Also it's come to my attention that the world cup is 8 months away. It's early and I can't count. I'm not changing it

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greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



The only possible 'upside' I can imagine about the world cup is that we are going to get a bonkers January transfer window as we get the WC shop window/flash in the pan effect just as everyone coming back from the tournament knackers themselves in the Christmas fixture pile up.

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