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TheGreyGhost posted:So uh, little known fact, but on top of being a stereotypical Browns/Buckeyes guy, I did my MBA at Cincinnati and lived there for 5-6 years. As such, this is the only QB on the list I can tell you I've seen in person and have watched for essentially his entire career. Ordinarily, that should make this evaluation pretty easy, but this is where I really have to characterize just what an enigma Ridder can be game to game. okay tell me you all didn't read this as 'Riddler'
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https://twitter.com/BigDuke50/status/1474387316579966977?t=rWGmwLNPDouXkwCu322VPA&s=19 I need to know everything there is to know about every lineman for this class that Duke is working with
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Dec 25, 2021 00:59
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Screw that. Miami should straight up hire him
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Greyghost which super tall receiver do we want to try to salvage Bakers rear end? Drake London?
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If anyone wants a bit of a https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-mock-draft-2022-3-rounds-kenny-pickett-matt-corral-sam-howell-desmond-ridder-malik-willis/ Kenny Pickett at #3 to Houston Matt Corral at #8 to Carolina Desmond Riddler at #15 to Pittsburgh Sam Howell at #19 to THE FOOTBALL TEAM Malik Willis at #24 to Detroit
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Greyghost which super tall receiver do we want to try to salvage Bakers rear end? Drake London? I have Drake London WR1 right now, but it’s a pretty deep class. He’s probably the best combination guy this year, and he’s done the most routes/would fit pretty naturally. I think he could be a Keenan Allen type in the NFL where he’s so long and smooth that the lack of megatron 40 time is going to scare people even though it should. T. Other than him, give me some mixture of Treylon Burks or Wilson. Burks is a similar matchup nightmare but way more raw because of that offense—think Davante Adams. Wilson is polished and a natural runner but not the pure physical threat the other two are. Wilson looks a lot like Rashod Bateman with some cleaner hands. I’m worried about Olave and Williams since they both have an amazing ability to take routes/plays off and lose focus on routes. Olave in particular is so reliant on body control that he’s liable to get pressed to death—could be Amari Cooper or Devin Smith in terms of ceiling floor. Williams could be a desean Jackson type but doesn’t really compete for the ball or push off the line with force right now which will be a problem. Pickens and Ross are both guys who are overcoming injuries but dominant physical receivers when they’re healthy—albeit not burners. Metchie is good but weirdly unpolished for a Bama guy—loves to round his sideline routes like he’s trying to sell double moves he doesn’t need to. Jahan Dotson is super weird too because he’s a 5’11 guy who plays like he’s 6’3 in man and 5’5 in zone. He’s one solid motor attacking a ball over the middle away from first round quality. Honestly, any of these dudes could be good but London feels like the surest thing to my eye right now. TheGreyGhost fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 26, 2021 |
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Ragnarok the Red posted:If anyone wants a bit of a With a gun to my head, if I’m drafting for the average NFL team this year: Corral Pickett Ridder Strong Willis Howell That said, I wouldn’t take anyone outside of the top 2 in the first personally. Everyone else is a partial project at minimum. Willis is just so bad mechanically that’s I don’t know how anyone can pretend the upside is likely. Willis in Detroit is a gamble they could actually stand to risk if they give him time to figure it out and let Goff take the punishment for a year, but man is they not a gamble I want. Howell just seems so rattled and was in such a bizarre system that it’s going to be a serious adaptation process just getting him used to a full route tree. Sending Howell to the football team probably gets him killed given that they can’t block anyone. Ridder in Pittsburgh gets weird too. If they stick with Matt Canada, he’s going to be used to that personnel group but has never done that type of dumb motion/eye line stuff or operated with windows that small. Plus Canada’s not exactly known for being a patient or nice dude. Corral in Carolina could be good, but if Rhule goes DC brain with it, they’re going to waste his best qualities if they don’t let him sound. Pickett in Houston absolutely fails. Not enough talent on that team for anyone to succeed but especially not the dude who is succeeding on smarts and ball placement.
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Id take Corrall or Pickett in Carolina over darnold
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zimbomonkey posted:I do not want carolina to draft a QB until they've fixed the line and fired rhule. The way I see it we need to find at least two pieces to that puzzle this offseason if they're to build a platform and while I like the OTs in this class, I could for sure live with a QB instead.
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Is there a receiver in the day 2 range that can get open deep that Justin Herbert can throw the ball to
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Chucktesla posted:Is there a receiver in the day 2 range that can get open deep that Justin Herbert can throw the ball to We're gonna sign Davante Adams so this won't matter
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a neat cape posted:We're gonna sign Davante Adams so this won't matter That's assuming Green Bay doesn't tag him, and I have no clue what way they are leaning
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Chucktesla posted:Is there a receiver in the day 2 range that can get open deep that Justin Herbert can throw the ball to Target Dotson if you want a guy comfortable with a vertical offense. Pickens if he’s healthy maybe? Kinda depends. Do they need another tall vertical threat or a burner?
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TheGreyGhost posted:Target Dotson if you want a guy comfortable with a vertical offense. Pickens if he’s healthy maybe? Kinda depends. Do they need another tall vertical threat or a burner? The team has like three guys that are all 6'2" or taller and run 4.5 or slower 40s, so the team is really lacking speed at receiver Also after this week they could really use corners so if you know of any corners in the draft that you can describe as 'Asante Samuel Jr but taller' please let me know
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Chucktesla posted:The team has like three guys that are all 6'2" or taller and run 4.5 or slower 40s, so the team is really lacking speed at receiver Williams and Dotson then, depending on where they’re drafting. It’s a decent corner year—not crazy deep at the top but probably 3-4 guys I take in the first. Stingley deserves hype, but Gardner, Booth, and Elam probably fit the bill. Even some lower prospects like Bryant have good physical attributes this year but some weird technical poo poo or tendencies. Been watching a bunch of this edge class, and I’m sort of ecstatic that there’s this much variety this year. Thibodeaux looks like the love child of Bradley Chubb and Chase Young to me. Karlaftis is a spiritual Watt. Hutchinson looks like a cross between Joey Bosa and Derek Barnett but stretched to 120% proportions. It’s a great class if you have a weird DC who needs a new toy.
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Who are the best pro comps for the WRs in this draft. Wilson/Williams/London/Burks
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Phobeste posted:Which wideout will the patriots overdraft and end up disappointing us all I’m putting my money on them somehow drafting Aaron Dobson again.
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mcmagic posted:Who are the best pro comps for the WRs in this draft. Wilson/Williams/London/Burks Pro comps aren’t really the best for this—so keep in mind I would call these comparisons to that NFL player solely as a prospect; Wilson — Amari Cooper/Rashod Bateman. 6’1 4.4 guy. Dude just produces against everyone and plays everywhere on the field and runs extensively clean results. Nothing about him is ideal. His speed is good but probably 4.4. His agility is good enough to be a one cut screen guy but not enough to break 7 defenders ahead of him. His hands are solid but have occasional drops near the sticks. His feet are great but prone to slipping and being behind the rest of his gate in short field situations. Like, he’s the perfect B+/A- at everything but doesn’t definitely do anything wel enough to be a specialist. Williams — Desean Jackson/Stefon Diggs. 6’ 4.2 guy. Purest burner we’ve seen in a while that doesn’t have obvious size concerns or lack route tree experience. Bigger than a John Ross, more legit than a Curtis Samuel or Paris Campbell. I would absolutely love to see him channel that size into a more consistent release, but there are like 5 CBs in college he isn’t immediately faster than and he didn’t have to play them this year. Put him on Go/Post/Cross duty, and he will separate. That said, he doesn’t always focus through catches and is extremely lazy with shorter routes/cut and stop movements where he gets told to stop. Dude loves to run. Two options for success—either learn to keep routes looking similar until the break or learn to feign a route when running another. Most successful NFL receivers lean on the first, but guys who are fast enough can do the second which is more effective, if you have the raw speed to pull it off. London — Keenan Allen/Healthy Brandon Marshall. 6’5 4.5 guy if I’m guessing, enough of a long strider to not be a genius. Dude who gets a million targets on a flailing team who is a massive target with good hands and plus size. Harrell’s offense runs a near full route tree and seems to build some monstously precise route runners which he is the next of. He’s also a basketball guy who can seriously leap and fight for moss balls that make him an ideal jump ball/back shoulder target which is getting more and more important in the downfield game beyond the stereotypical burner. If I’m critiquing, I do question his long speed at times and his ability to push guys off at the line for a guy his size, since he seems to use his blocking technique at times and drive guys in press rather than shedding. Burks — Davante Adams/Demaryius Thomas. Weird offense. It’s not quite the vertical Briles offense of yore. But it’s really really similar in the ability to stick really tall fast guys on vertical routes from out wide that don’t always translate super well.6’3 4.4 guy I bet. He blocks like a monster but doesn’t always cleanly release which means he frequently gives back a step he would get. I think it’s because he tries to go over blocks to release every timerather than releasing under, which big guys do because fades and other jump ball routes essentially necessitate that you always stay above the defender. Essentially. It’s like when a pass rusher only has one move. He makes up for it by doing some of the most impressive pushing off I’ve ever seen that’s almost never flagged. He’s a freaky enough athlete that some minor technique tweaks with his release and just building his route tree could make him monstrous, but he just wasn’t asked to do finesse things like jerk/double routes that are more technical than athletic feats which could inherently limit him from being a true WR1 without being able to counter his own moves. Olave — Devin Smith/Nelson Agholor The B student to Wilson’s A- 6’ 4.4-4.5 guy with elite body control that enables him to use his decent hands downfield to catch bombs that look impressive. I don’t think he’s fast enough to be a true deep threat, so he’s inherently a guy who needs to separate via routes and timing, which he does decently at times. He drops balls he shouldn’t, and he absolutely takes plays off when the ball isn’t coming his way or he knows he’s doubled and just distracting, which is a problem when margins drop in the nfl. He could be good, but I don’t see a guy who is better than a high end WR2 Pickens — AJ Brown/Allen Robinson. We’ll see how fast he actually is at the combine because Georgia refused to use him properly all year, and he’s going to be coming off of an injury. If he’s as fast as hyped, he’s a dark horse candidate for best pro, since he’s 6’3 or so and blocks like a fullback. They run him on a bunch of curl/vert/out/double routes that make him an overqualified perimeter guy but not what I want in a short range guy with weird concentration issues on slants and short game things and the occasional dropsy. If he cleans those up and doesn’t do the dumb poo poo with opponents that gets 15 yarders, his upside is huge. Ross — Mike Williams/Courtland Sutton. Vertical/circus catch receiver who murders dudes over the middle vertically but looks like he’s got serious issues on a slant/curl/in/out type pattern with failing to plant himself or move economically. When you factor in his injury time, his first NFL season will be huge from a consistent rep standpoint. I love his hands and competitiveness, but his injury history is scary, as is the fact that I just don’t believe he can run away from guys over the top. Metchie — Robert Woods/Deebo Samuel. Clean, 6’ 4.4 guy with insane crossing agility that pops him open on in/out and wheel routes on top of the usual deep routes. What I want to see happen with him is for someone to buy him a Randy Moss highlight tape and some stickum. He drops balls at the sideline when it’s over a defender and will get boxed out by a defender on underthrows from lack of competition. What I hate to see is that he’s not big enough to push guys around off the line or on those comebacks consistently, meaning he really needs to catch the balls that get over a defender. If I were giving him priorities, hands drills then really working on getting under a defenders arms to drive through space before he can be pushed off. Put him in a system that keeps press off him, and he can be great. Dotson — Calvin Ridley/Tyler a Lockett 5’11 burner who is monstrously competitive on jumps and vertical balls. Doesn’t always explode through DBs but beats man coverage enough that he can get bracketed and still produce. When he’s covered in zone, he looks for opening and waits instead of attacking the ball. His hands on contested catches are amazing, but he’s shown some ability to lose focus waiting to make a play within 10 yards. Deep class this year, bunch of guys who are 1 thing away from a legit WR1 prospect but there’s no one this year that looks like a Julio/Green caliber prospect.
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Hey ghost you got a good read on QBs. If youre the panthers and were gonna take a qb considering everything else with the org and offense who'd you take?
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TheGreyGhost posted:Pro comps aren’t really the best for this—so keep in mind I would call these comparisons to that NFL player solely as a prospect; Ah it will be one of these guys and he won't be able to hack it in the pros. Excellent
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BlindSite posted:Hey ghost you got a good read on QBs. If youre the panthers and were gonna take a qb considering everything else with the org and offense who'd you take? I mean, potential lame duck Rhule complicates things a lot. Corral is going to look startlingly similar to Darnold as a prospect but might not get broken so there’s better upside. Pickett probably works the best for “win now” if Rhule thinks a new QB will save his job and the front office agrees. If you chase Ridder, you’re trying to split the difference but risking a guy who doesn’t do the best with shorter/nimble receivers and may need new blood there. Willis and Howell should both be nonstarters given the technical work needed for Willis and the 800 weird issues Howell shows. I probably roll the dice on Ridder or Corral with the intent that the mobility lets me do boot and option things that make mccaffrey’s life easier when he’s back. Don’t be shocked if they target Pickett trying to avoid a risk but losing significant upside as a result.
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Olave seems like the most stereotypical Pats WR ever with the caveat that they won't draft him because some stupid team will take him in the top 25
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Great write up on the WRs, Grey. I would’ve never thought prior to the season but I’m expecting Miami to look at a few in the mid rounds, so starting to look at who might be in that pool.
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TheGreyGhost posted:I mean, potential lame duck Rhule complicates things a lot. Corral is going to look startlingly similar to Darnold as a prospect but might not get broken so there’s better upside. Pickett probably works the best for “win now” if Rhule thinks a new QB will save his job and the front office agrees. If you chase Ridder, you’re trying to split the difference but risking a guy who doesn’t do the best with shorter/nimble receivers and may need new blood there. Willis and Howell should both be nonstarters given the technical work needed for Willis and the 800 weird issues Howell shows. Yeah Rhule is obviously the big sticking point. I could definitely see them going Pickett if they wanted an immediate starter to try and save his job. If they were building and found a vet to stabilise for a year I could see them going the other two. Thanks for the response.
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TheGreyGhost posted:So uh, Haener looks like he's staying in college, and the early whispers are similar for Daniels. Unclear what's happening with McKee as well. We know Ridder is playing the senior bowl though and moving on, so here's my breakdown on him: Ridder has had like 8 batted balls today and keeps missing dudes at bizarre angles because Saban looked at the tape and realized telling his DL to soften their bill rush and jump for balls would be an easy way to disrupt things because his tell is so obvious. Anyone brave enough for him in the first needs to trap him in a room with the Brady/Rodgers mechanical transformation tapes cask of amontillado style. Absolutely insane how much his technique is holding him back.
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In a weird way it makes me feel more comfortable taking Ridder with a Day 2 pick. He's gotten really far with his mechanics the way they are and he's clearly physically capable of being a NFL quarterback. He's definitely raw and needs bare minimum a year like Mahomes or Lance to retune his mechanics. Likely two years.
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Sam Howell officially declared He needs another year, but going back to UNC won't do much imo
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Sam Howell officially declared Starting to think the least bad outcome if the Panthers retain rhule is them reaching on Howell.
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FizFashizzle posted:Starting to think the least bad outcome if the Panthers retain rhule is them reaching on Howell. At the very least he'd be a lot more exciting to watch than Teddy/Cam/Darnold/PJ.
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wandler20 posted:At the very least he'd be a lot more exciting to watch than Teddy/Cam/Darnold/PJ. He'd certainly be a similar level of bad, I don't know about exciting though Also jesus loving christ Corral why didn't you opt out dude. Please drop a round or two to the Steelers
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Roasted Donut posted:He'd certainly be a similar level of bad, I don't know about exciting though Isn't he more of a gunslinger? That's kinda what I got from the very little I've seen of him.
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