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BlindSite posted:My google skills turned up lots of "scouts" - dudes with websites calling him Baker Mayfield but not as good coming out. They’re actually right in a physical/tangible sense. Gunslinger isn’t really the term for either of them because that implies big arms. Gambler or improviser is probably a better category. The more I see of him, the more I think he’s fool’s gold and headed for bust territory. He’s not really a gunslinger because that implies he’s pressing into windows he can hit. Even with an extremely aggressive and torque-y delivery that should maximize velocity, his arm isn’t there and he misses windows he’s trying to throw to with balls that float and are too soft. Baker does do that delivery but has a bigger arm and showed way better placement in an offense that let him read more than Howell’s fisher price RPO offense with trash tier blocking. They’ll both do some scrabble drill bullshit too and can move on rolls and boots to at least try to improve angles he can throw into. The fundamental problem is this—consider Mayfield. When he’s hurt or has anything wrong that throws off his mechanics, he doesn’t have enough arm to compensate because he’s at his limit, meaning he either has to lighten up to hit a spot or risk missing. To steal a strength coach line, “absolute strength is the glass, skills are the water”, where your arm is absolute strength. Similarly, he’s limited on height. When he can’t move out of pocket and has injuries to his legs or shoulders, he moves less which limits his vision since his ability to get to read 3+ usually requires at a minimum stepping up or sideways. That’s another limitation with little margin. Now consider Howell. Objectively worse arm than baker in every facet. Arguably recognizes things similarly if a little worse but in a simpler offense. He can see better and is a bit bigger but is always running to get to read 2+ because his line will kill him if the play design doesn’t. He might see more from the pocket in the NFL than baker, but it doesn’t matter what you see if you can’t hit it for one reason for another. So even my most generous read of his abilities would inherently mean he’s coming in from a far worse place than prospect Baker. I wouldn’t touch him before round 3 personally. The upside isn’t worth what you’d need to do. Ranking upside: Willis Ridder Corral Strong Pickett Howell Ranking floor: Pickett Corral Ridder Strong Howell Willis Howell has shown the least potential in the simplest offense and just doesn’t show a remarkable trait I would bank on in the NFL. Willis could run. Corral has a plus arm and moves well enough to run verts. Strong throws an amazing deep ball. Pickett does everything Howell does but way cleaner. Ridder is just as accurate as Howell but with better physical traits. He really just feels like a guy that will stay on rosters as a clubhouse guy who learns the playbook but just doesn’t have enough to him. Bryce Petty wouldn’t be an unfair comparison at this point.
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I was wondering why people keep thinking Corral has a cannon
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Doltos posted:I was wondering why people keep thinking Corral has a cannon He’s an incredible air guy. Just never consistently steps in to get the velocity you’d want. If you watch what he was doing with Elijah Moore on stuff like slot fades, he has enough. I think it’s insane to put him in the Stafford category, but he can be a Wilson/Tannhill caliber guy where you can get away with some things with some fine tuning. It’s kinda like using FT % to project how well a guy could get at 3s in my book. There are dudes with huge air arms who have average or lower velocity (think Tua or even like Mariota) and velocity throwers who don’t get crazy distance (Mayfield, Tyrod) but they usually correlate decently with more guys having air and never maximizing their ball speed.
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From the NV thread https://twitter.com/ESPNPlus/status/1478459069576925185?t=WKYRO9xUM1-T9Zi7QU94fw&s=19
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Chucktesla posted:From the NV thread Hutchison is too high. To give my top 3 edge guys at present Hutch has good moves, but his power/bull rush is fairy dependent on snap timing which a good QB can gently caress with easily. Great tools but I think he’s going to end up being a finesse/run stopping beast who can 2 gap well and bends decently but isn’t going to be a gap crusher that beats a T to a spot consistently. Sort of a mix of Joey Bosa’s move set but with similar concerns in lack of bull/power rush when his timing’s off. Great pad level though, dude gets low like a short dude like Barnett or Brandon Graham, separate from his bend which isn't super consistent turning the corner. DE 3 behind Thibodeaux and Karlaftis to me right now though. Thibodeaux is the rare kind of freak who could play 5 tech to 3-4 LB. Dude bends inconsistently because they move him, but he’s so loving fast it doesn’t matter. I don’t know what he’ll run; but it won’t shock me if he looks like Paye did this past year at the combine with better straight line.. I don’t always love his move set because it’s so speed dependent and tends to hinge on him beating a guy to a shoulder, but he’s got the tools to learn some stuff like Up>Under>Scissors or an Up and Swim to counter how guys will play him. Bradley Chubb is a fair comparison, but he really could end up Khalil Mack if someone optimizes his move set well enough. Karlaftis just makes me smile because he’s the quintessential Big Ten DE who gets underrated because he’s not the absolute fastest dude but plays so hard and can bull rush anyone into submission off of conditioning. If you look at his size, he could probably fit any front as wide as a 7, though you probably stick him at 5 or 4 tech and let him murder some poor G’s day while occasionally making a T think twice about his edge set. He does the staple long arm, drive up, and rip moves you would expect from a guy who makes his living attacking guys directly. I would love if he learned some gap techniques so that he can turn around guys and make them worry about moving laterally too—a lot of that is refining his timing and turning those rips into something where he can rip diagonally and push into a dude’s flank with one move or another. He’s similar to JJ as a prospect, but I think JJ was undervalued at the time. Looking at the names in the edge class, it looks like a fairly deep class to my eye, but we’ll see what the rest of the tape says. Williams top 10 is purely a tools projection though. He’s really high ceiling but speed guys who body catch are risky as hell if you’re not running a Chiefs-style offense revolving around speed freaks. TheGreyGhost fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Jalen Nailor is leaving Michigan State for the draft but Jayden Reed, who seems like the better WR prospect of the two, is staying.
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I think Garret Wilson is the more complete and probably better WR from a route running/hands standpoint and can be moved all over the field but is he too similar to Elijah Moore? I dunno. Jameson Williams' skillset is probably more of a "fit" in that the Jets don't currently have someone like him but I still like Wilson more. The more I think about it, not sure either the top 2 DEs or Evan Neal make it to the Jets pick and I'm pretty gunshy about taking a safety top 5 although Hamilton clearly has more coverage/ball skills than than Jamal Adams coming out. Wilson Williams Hamilton Dean Gardner Karlaftis Cross They have a lot of options for those 2 picks though. Don't really want Linderbaum unless they trade back. Trey McBride would be great with one of the early 2nd rounders. Should be a fun run up to the draft.
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Throw Devin Lloyd on that list too. I feel like he is going to shoot up draft boards and he fits a position of major major need. And we all know how Saleh feels about off-ball LBs who can play in coverage--though obviously taking him with a top 10 pick might be questionable from a value perspective.
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TheGreyGhost posted:Hutchison is too high. To give my top 3 edge guys at present Just want to add that Myjai Sanders looked super impressive to me in the Cotton Bowl even against Neal, seems like a guy who could really rise if he tests well
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Speaking of other pass rushers, what do people think of Jermaine Johnson from FSU? Seems like someone who is mostly being pegged as a Day 2 guy but that could rise pretty significantly if he tests well.
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^^I guess I left Stingley off as well and he comes with the Revis number. Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ridder are the two QBs who meet the Parcells criteria this year. Pickett to the Giants if they decide to blow things up could be interesting. https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2022-nfl-draft-qb-class-bill-parcells-rules Diva Cupcake fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Teams wont be able to test GRIT by asking if prospects mothers are prostitutes anymore or see if guys are to smart to be coached. https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1478766154185388036
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Diva Cupcake posted:Kenny Pickett and Desmond Ridder are the two QBs who meet the Parcells criteria this year. Pickett to the Giants if they decide to blow things up could be interesting. I have no thoughts on the actual article but has TDN gone way downhill recently or is it just me? I don't have specific examples at my fingertips but I feel like their content has been generally lower quality than it used to be--I know they lost a few people. Professor Funk fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Y'all prefer Gardner or McCreary? My Auburn homer cousin thanks McCreary is head and shoulders above Sauce, The four or five games I saw Sauce play I feel like he's going to translate very well to the NFL.
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Professor Funk posted:I have no thoughts on the actual article but has TDN gone way downhill recently or is it just me? I don't have specific examples at my fingertips but I feel like their content has been generally lower quality than it used to be--I know they lost a few people. It’s generally low content, even the article I linked, but there’s usually a Parcells QB criteria each year along with like SackSEER that are usually fun to look at in hindsight.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Grey what’re your thoughts on Ojabo Ideal 4-3 DE body who someone is going to force into a 3-4 OLB role that I'm a little worried he's going to be too raw for. He has enough twitch to be on par with a Thibodeaux and is like an identical 6'5 260 type, but his hands and upper half don't move as well yet. If you watch him in big games, he gets off fast enough to create a threat but gets ahead of his rip/hand placement. It's sort of like if you long-armed yourself out of the most direct rush lane because you thought you needed more space from the T as opposed to truly powering through the T as tightly as possible to maximize economy of movement. He's also a liability against any team that pulls or switches assignments in the running game--only one real swipe move that gets less effective when applied to a guy coming at you with a head of steam who sees it coming. So, 4-3 DE that's ultimately a pass rush specialist with upside to be a 3-down guy. He can clearly improve and do what he needs to if he's trying to improve those--starting from a place of already separating hand movement from your legs is a good start because you have to learn. He's only 21 and doesn't have much tread on the tires. All that said, buyer beware if you try to make him a 3-4 OLB. His advantage right now is coming out of his stance, so you'd be handicapping him in the run game and passing in such a way that his move set becomes more of a liability. He's theoretically athletic enough to drop in coverage but has very little track record doing that, beyond the extremely rare directional drop into a hook zone. Do you really want to have to split his focus from fixing his run sets? Comparably, he's on the spectrum of Vernon Gholston to Carlos Dunlap where he's dominant in a specific context but hasn't had to do or show much beyond that. If he develops, he's Dunlap. If he learns nothing? Gholston. Realistically, I think Emmanuel Ogbah is a realistic comparison, where he's going to take a couple years to get going but has the rare physical traits to be a double-digit guy.
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Eifert Posting posted:Y'all prefer Gardner or McCreary? My Auburn homer cousin thanks McCreary is head and shoulders above Sauce, The four or five games I saw Sauce play I feel like he's going to translate very well to the NFL. I have Gardner CB2 behind Stingley right now. He's long enough that he can just blanket a WR and shut him down with pretty much perfect hand work and press technique. I don't think he's fast enough to match up with the Tyreek Hills of the world nor does he have the most fluid hips when he's not at speed, but you probably would put him on the Split End/biggest receiver on the offense anyways. He's also a really really good tackler downhill. If I'm nitpicking him a bit, I would say that his biggest issue is that he doesn't always look for the ball and will let his body just get in the way, so zone schemes aren't going to be his forte. Call him an Asomugha type who probably is Dre Kirkpatrick if he busts. McCreary is sort of an inverse Gardner. He's smaller but can jump out of gym and attacks balls in air, particularly when he's underneath. Consequently, his press technique is garbage, and he's not strong enough to actually knock a guy off his route. He's going to give up catches to taller/longer receivers, but he's not going to get outrun by many guys. Auburn has been fairly scheme versatile, but giving him the ability to attack from zones at the next level would be a good thing. If he busts, it's in the vein of Gareon Conley where his athleticism doesn't translate to actual difficulty for a receiver. Success for him probably looks like a Jaire Alexander type Stingley's freshman tape is one of the most absurd and disgusting CB tapes you'll ever see, particularly at the end of the year, and I would point to it as a quintessential, "learn to watch film" tape like Andrew Luck, Julio, Khalil Mack, Earl Thomas, or Patrick Petersen.
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Grey do you have thoughts on Jermaine Johnson from FSU? Currently projected as a day 2 guy but seems like he could creep into the first round with good testing.
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Professor Funk posted:Grey do you have thoughts on Jermaine Johnson from FSU? Currently projected as a day 2 guy but seems like he could creep into the first round with good testing. Nothing yet, but I'm barely 5 deep into the class and will have a collected post here in the near future on the edge guys. I've been through tape on Hutchison, Ojabo, Thibs, Karlaftis, and Enagbare (who is super cool but like the most Muschamp tweener alive where he's fast and shoots gaps but has some incredible lapses if he's asked to drop or stunt). This edge class is like 10-15 deep from what I've seen on most boards, so it might take longer than the receiver tape for me this year.
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Let me know when you find the best 3-4 OLB that can play zone 30% oh the time and rush the remaining 70%. Bonus points if they have a parent that is either a former professional athlete or a football coach of some kind because judging by this past draft, the chargers like those types
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Back before the Bengals decided to actually be good this year he was my draft crush. I think he could commit a minor felony though and not get out of the top five.
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Buddy this is the 2022 thread
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Amy Pole Her posted:Buddy this is the 2022 thread  I know
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It'll probably some dude who's thought of as a mid tier qb right now who puts together a banger year.
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God I can't wait for the draft nerds to have to watch all of Bo Nix's tape
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Gatts posted:Who is the best QB for the 2023 draft? Young or Stroud by a country mile right now. Either would be QB1 right now for this class. Raku posted:God I can't wait for the draft nerds to have to watch all of Bo Nix's tape Running joke with one of my buddies I swap cut ups with is which of McShay, Kiper, or Matt Miller is going to bite on him next year as “having figured it out” with a sample size of…uh he was a really big recruit and played for 2 big programs! Someone’s going to compare him to Russel Wilson and risk getting mailed anthrax by the meaner parts of football/draft/coaching Twitter.
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BlindSite posted:It'll probably some dude who's thought of as a mid tier qb right now who puts together a banger year. I still want to believe in Uiagalelei.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I still want to believe in Uiagalelei. Is he going to learn not to stare at his receivers and not awkwardly hoon balls at either bullet or baby soft velocities? Additionally, can he put a slant or curl on a receivers hands or number? Scouts excused a whole bunch of his picks this year as being on the receivers but…those balls don’t end up tipped if he puts them where they should be. Someone’s going to compare him to Josh Allen when he has legitimate claim to being the next Hackenberg right down to the godawful line play that’s given him terrible pocket and pressure habits
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BlindSite posted:It'll probably some dude who's thought of as a mid tier qb right now who puts together a banger year. DG about to get the Oklahoma Bump
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I did a mock today. I hope sauce falls to the Bengals IRL like he always does in these mocks.
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Professor Funk posted:Grey do you have thoughts on Jermaine Johnson from FSU? Currently projected as a day 2 guy but seems like he could creep into the first round with good testing. He played for Jason “Slapdick” Brown in S4 of Last Chance U, so he’s good by me. Especially if he one-ups Brown and owns four Cadillacs and two beach houses.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:GreyGhost you got an opinion on this DeMarvin Leal guy people are mocking to our Browns? I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks he’s a first rounder. Dude literally is 6’4 280ish and cannot be on the field for running downs in the NFL. He’s fast and moves like he could be a legit interior rusher who could line up at end Michael Bennett style, but holy gently caress is he easy to punk right now in the run game. Dude gets put in a blender any time he’s combo blocked and has no idea how to fill a gap when he gets there so he’ll whiff on dudes in the backfield or fall for the most obvious traps in the world. You could run trap and counter at his gap every single play and safely bank on 5-6 YPC average, that’s how bad it is. Again, he’s a freak athlete and could athletically fit the Bennett/DeForest Buckner type role, and he does a good job of hitting a quick rip and aiming for a gap, but he has essentially no counter moves that let him change gaps or move against an agile guy trying to zone block him if he doesn’t turn the corner in time. Similarly, if a guy gets ahold of him when he’s not in position to do a swipe or rip, he’s along for the ride despite the fact he’s definitely athletic enough to get off the block—just no plan or idea of what to do. It’s sort of like Ojabo, but it’s almost more unacceptable because he’s so big and fast that he has legitimate organic power. Someone compared him to Jerry Tillery, but I think he’s more athletic and raw than tillery even if they’re both negative run defenders. Bizarro Tyson Jackson where he’s a uniquely suited body type for 3-4 end but instead of being a run savant he’s a pass savant in the even he busts like I expect. If he turns out, Michael Bennett. If we draft him, the media is going to crucify him when one of Najee/Mixon/Dobbins counters him into the wrong gap and goes for 75, and it’s going to be even worse when he’s asked to make a read of Lamar/Dobbins zone runs.
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I've seen multiple people suggest the chargers should draft Jordan Davis after last night, is he the answer to their defensive line problems, is there a different tite/mint nose I should get excited for or are they better off backing up the brinks truck to Sebastian Joseph Day's doorstep to play for the cross town team
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