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bessantj posted:Re: Anti-Semitim and the left. I think it was Richard Littlejohn (or possibly Rod Liddle) in the mid 2000s that did a documentary about how Anti-Semitic Britain is and decided that it was because of the left. And Muslims. How to make a right wing documentary in 3 easy steps 1. pick issue that's your fault 2. decide it's not your fault 3. AVOCADO TOAST AND FREE KFC FOR CRIMINALS DESTROYED THE COUNTRY
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bessantj posted:Re: Anti-Semitim and the left. I think it was Richard Littlejohn (or possibly Rod Liddle) in the mid 2000s that did a documentary about how Anti-Semitic Britain is and decided that it was because of the left. And Muslims. This kind of stuff should really be all the evidence needed to read between the lines on the topic. There is widespread anti-semitism on the left because it benefits the right for mainstream consensus to believe there is.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/graduate-jobs-unemployment-covid-pandemic-b1967654.htmlquote:Unemployed graduates are at risk from unscrupulous employers using the pandemic as an excuse to exploit them with low or no pay, experts warned today. They also report that university-leavers desperate for a “life-raft” are taking jobs only to be told they will not be paid “because of Covid”. Surely not paying for work is illegal (unless it is clearly a voluntary position)?
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Borrovan posted:There is a tendency on the left to automatically assume that anyone saying anti-Zionism is antisemitic is acting in bad faith though, which is kind of annoying imo since it just isn't true. Lots of Jews sincerely believe that the only way to protect the Jewish people from *gestures at recorded history* is a Jewish state, meaning that opposing Zionism is opposing the safety of the Jewish people. But frankly it's hard to engage in good faith debate with those people anyway, since why would they want to debate with people they regard as racist against them (& in any event it's essentially an emotional argument, which you pretty much can't debate anyway). I find it hard to characterise that argument as "being in good faith" when it necessarily involves being deliberately blind to the actual reality of the situation which is that "the jewish state" that actually exists just does the same monstrous poo poo to a different ethnic minority. So either it involves some spectacularly contorted thinking or it is just some sort of lovely ethnic supremacist poo poo where they literally do not care if it happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them. Either way not someone I want to be around to be honest, or waste words on. If it is "good faith" then good faith means nothing.
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keep punching joe posted:Good news everyone, we don't have to worry about Omicron anymore Somewhat coincidental that NASA just launched a mission (DART) to see if they could divert an asteroids course *just in case*
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OwlFancier posted:I find it hard to characterise that argument as "being in good faith" when it necessarily involves being deliberately blind to the actual reality of the situation which is that "the jewish state" that actually exists just does the same monstrous poo poo to a different ethnic minority. So either it involves some spectacularly contorted thinking or it is just some sort of lovely ethnic supremacist poo poo where they literally do not care if it happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them. It does sometimes feel like for some Zionists the outcome of the Holocaust was to double down on the weird race science stuff but try to ensure that in future they'd be the ones doing the stomping, which all in all seems like the complete opposite of any lesson anyone should have been taking from the experience.
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The vast majority of the people alive now did not live through it, so I think a better way to look at it is that there are people born since then who are just garbage people, and who look at the past for justifications for that behaviour. In the UK it is boomer brain believing they lived through the blitz despite having no loving clue whatsoever about it, but it serves as a convenient thought terminating cliche for why they are justified in everything they do or think. Seems entirely likely that other countries would have the same behaviour in different forms. It isn't learning lessons from history, it's finding bits of history to mangle to make the things you already thought seem more legitimate, which is the opposite of learning.
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OwlFancier posted:where they literally do not care if it happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them. It's this. Some people's takeaway from the holocaust was "Never Again" and other people's was "Never Again to us specfically". ThomasPaine posted:It does sometimes feel like for some Zionists the outcome of the Holocaust was to double down on the weird race science stuff but try to ensure that in future they'd be the ones doing the stomping, which all in all seems like the complete opposite of any lesson anyone should have been taking from the experience. The race science is inherent in judaism to some degree of being The Chosen People. A lot of decent jews can take that to mean "we need to be better to show people how it's done" but a lot of people take it to mean "gentiles aren't as important as us" which, if you're a zionist, is easy to twist into "and so this land is ours and it doesn't matter what we have to do to get it". It's not a core of zionism specifically, just an extremely lovely way to twist judaism.
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OwlFancier posted:The vast majority of the people alive now did not live through it, so I think a better way to look at it is that there are people born since then who are just garbage people, and who look at the past for justifications for that behaviour. Not nessecarily. There's A LOT of inherited trauma from holocaust survivors that was drilled into their children. Some of them do horrible poo poo because of that, some people use that trauma and turn it into helping others, and some people do horrible poo poo without it, but it's not completely unrelated.
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I imagine that's definitely a thing that happens now but I do wonder about the ideological thinking of the early Israeli settlers towards the indigenous population. It all gets very confusing because from the sounds of it a lot of the Kibbutz were near enough socialist in operation. I wonder if they were always solely open to Jews or if you had some early peaceful collaboration/integration between the communities. e: This perhaps applies double to the many secular Soviet Jews who migrated in the 1990s, lots of whom were actually probably still somewhat committed to the socialist project to one extent or another. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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ThomasPaine posted:I imagine that's definitely a thing that happens now but I do wonder about the ideological thinking of the early Israeli settlers towards the indigenous population. It all gets very confusing because from the sounds of it a lot of the Kibbutz were near enough socialist in operation. I wonder if they were always solely open to Jews or if you had some early peaceful collaboration/integration between the communities. Couldn't tell you about the 1990s soviet jews, but Israel has been having jew/arab fighting since way before the state of israel was formed. There were quite a lot of murders and riots going both ways all through the 20s iirc, and there were Jewish Defence Groups (Hagana etc). I'm not an expert on the period, but that should give you a rough idea of what the general atomsphere was, I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots - This for exmaple, the article references the socialists involved as well.
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The weather today was pretty horrible but the sea looked neat. The foam was becoming jellified and building up in drifts against the buildings near the harbour, weird stuff. Cool to see the harbour in action though.  Also had a nicer evening the other week working late. 
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ThomasPaine posted:It does sometimes feel like for some Zionists the outcome of the Holocaust was to double down on the weird race science stuff but try to ensure that in future they'd be the ones doing the stomping, which all in all seems like the complete opposite of any lesson anyone should have been taking from the experience. On the other hand it is also the exact lesson almost everyone takes from any kind of persecution.
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I feel like "this has never worked for anyone in the entirety of history for more than a transitory moment, maybe we should do something different" would be quite easy, but apparently not. Still think a lot of people just actually like being little, or large, hitlers, and work backwards to justify that behaviour.
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OwlFancier posted:The weather today was pretty horrible but the sea looked neat. The foam was becoming jellified and building up in drifts against the buildings near the harbour, weird stuff. Cool to see the harbour in action though. Wow, without doxxing yourself which coast is that please?
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Lungboy posted:https://twitter.com/shefsolgroup/status/1466047807077470208 lmao I don't know if this is funnier than that time Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to go deliver a lecture on Karl Marx then got indignant about it
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Convex posted:Wow, without doxxing yourself which coast is that please? Whitby! Same place a lot of my pictures are from, it changes a lot as the year goes by and we get different weather and lighting.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like "this has never worked for anyone in the entirety of history for more than a transitory moment, maybe we should do something different" would be quite easy, but apparently not. The United States has been doing it to the Native Americans for hundreds of years, with no particular end in sight.
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The US nearly imploded last year so I don't know if they are the ideal poster child for stability.
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OwlFancier posted:The US nearly imploded last year so I don't know if they are the ideal poster child for stability. Even if it did I'm going to go ahead and say it's unlikely that the result would be a mass repatriation of Native American land and significant reparations.
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TACD posted:Really enjoying this image generation tool  
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No, but I would suggest that the US's institutional brutality would have been a leading cause of that implosion and the fallout would be quite likely to deleteriously affect a lot of the people who are very supportive of that brutality when applied to others. The point is not that if you are cruel to others they will eventually get revenge, the point is that the society you need to run to facilitate that cruelty will eventually eat itself, and the US has arguably been doing that for quite a long time even if it hasn't all gone on fire at the same time yet.
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ThomasPaine posted:lmao I don't know if this is funnier than that time Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to go deliver a lecture on Karl Marx then got indignant about it That will always be peak New Labour moron
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Len McCluskey and Tom Watson trying to cross a picket line to see a screening of a documentary about The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists and ending up having to see it elsewhere beats it for me, but it's very close.
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Most of my AI art is weird, creepy or both, but somehow "John Cleese eats Brexit sandwich" came out as a true piece of outsider genius.
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Barry Foster posted:Check out this awesome Scottish dude, who cycles around Europe/Central Asia with his adorable cat Nala, who he found as a starving kitten on one of his travels and nursed back to help Thanks mate I'll check it out! Also Geowizard - seems I've watched part one of his "walk through a country in a straight line" one where he crosses some *massively* shady half-demolished foot bridge across a raging river.
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Payndz posted:Most of my AI art is weird, creepy or both, but somehow "John Cleese eats Brexit sandwich" came out as a true piece of outsider genius. I remember that guy from bloodborne.
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I don't know where the art generator can be found but could someone please plug in the two thread shibboleths, This Is Bad For Jeremy Corbyn and David Cameron hosed A Dead Pig
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't know where the art generator can be found but could someone please plug in the two thread shibboleths, This Is Bad For Jeremy Corbyn and David Cameron hosed A Dead Pig 
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't know where the art generator can be found but could someone please plug in the two thread shibboleths, This Is Bad For Jeremy Corbyn and David Cameron hosed A Dead Pig Link is here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3984948
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I did 'David Cameron loving a pig" earlier.  e: bonus "Boris Johnson giving birth"  "Queen Elizabeth eating a baby" 
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