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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tsietisin posted:

Do yourselves a favour, just get it over with. Don't deal with the stress.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI

There is no stress. It's a bad song & I don't listen to bad songs, only good songs, like this

I never got the whole "this is hard to avoid" thing. Just never go out without headphones in. Easy. Free advice. Of course, could have left that at "never go out" but that might be a little too Goon.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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keep punching joe posted:

Has the 'straight people getting mad about not being allowed to use the f slur when singing fairytale of new york' discourse began yet? Doesn't really feel like Christmas until then.

The secret is you can sing anything you want while at home, even Straight Outta Compton

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ThomasPaine posted:

lmao I don't know if this is funnier than that time Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to go deliver a lecture on Karl Marx then got indignant about it

That will always be peak New Labour moron

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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therattle posted:

Read this. The New Yorker may be liberal but its fact checking is second to none. It’s a really terrifying article.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/04/12/surviving-the-crackdown-in-xinjiang

LOL literally quotes Zenz, good job

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

you'd certainly know about posting demoralising things!

Yeah, he's read many of your posts

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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That's impressively cruel and pointless (or rather the cruelty is the point) even by Tory standards.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Its for people in prison presumably? Does that not alter things?

I don't want to shock you but heroin is something you can get in prison.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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fuctifino posted:

Sure, if you are able to afford the huge markup, have rich parents, or have a friendly gang member who is able to give you a tab in exchange for acting a dealer/courier when you get out.

I don't want to shock you, but the quality of prison heroin, as well as the ability to safely inject isn't that great in prison.

Yeah, my point wasn't "this is fine, people can get smack anyway", I'm agreeing with you that this really bad. It doesn't deal with drug abuse or even drug use in prisons, it's just a cruel attempt to force people to go cold turkey.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Convex posted:

Voting rights need to be restored to prisoners. Everyone living in the country gets a vote, that's how it works, otherwise it's a sham.

IMO go back to property restrictions. Only let those who earn under £30,000 a year vote

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The Perfect Element posted:

I've always found this GIF so fascinating. I guess that like, in my heart of hearts, I still can't really believe that an MP, let alone a minister, let alone a front bencher, let alone the loving CHANCELLOR, would go into a session completely off their tits. But I literally can't imagine that anyone sober or not incredibly poorly could ever look like that.

I guess we shall never know.

I dunno, used to be incredibly common for them to come in pished out of their gourds. Less so since they let TV cameras in though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/davedavieskinks/status/1466539280944226315?s=20

Dave Davies fully understands how to post.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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happyhippy posted:

Father Ted is ok to watch, its a great loving show made by brilliant people at the time.
Glinner also wrote for Harry Enfield, Alexi Sayle, The Day Today, The Fast Show, Black Books.
No one mentions any guilt association watching those.

When I remembered he wrote a lot of Big Train I was sad

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

Separating the art from the artist, innit.

Somebody can be a good writer/musician/actor whatever and also a huge piece of poo poo. I think there's a bit of a distinction between like, still enjoying the work of somebody who is sort of a "solo artist" in that they've written a book by themselves or whatever, but with Glinner it's like, yes he wrote those things or some proportion of them, but they're also the work of like a hundred other people, not least the actors.

If it's like, JK Rowling and she's a piece of poo poo and the work is entirely hers, I find that harder to bear. That's just my own perspective though. you are of course free to enjoy or not enjoy works by lovely people.

LOL I listen to black metal & watch wrestling, I practically have a Doctorate in separating art from artist. I still like Cream & John Mayall's Blues Breakers despite Eric Clapton being the drizzling shits.

Still a bummer, coz I'd forgotten he and Matthews were the main writers for Big Train, which is probably the sketch show of my lifetime I enjoy the most. But then I still enjoy Python & it's not like they are all lovely people.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

You've heard of Rock Against Racism, now it's time for Europop For Fascism :eng99:
https://twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1466715342198251527

Nothing has made me more convinced that anti-fascism was the correct choice both morally & aesthetically. loving hell.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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happyhippy posted:

That's the paradox, if it was cheap it would be easy to fake.

This is why we pay taxes? (OK, look, I know not everyone agrees but you loving know what I mean, alright which ever pedant was lining up to drop some MMT)

Absolutely no reason why the government couldn't make a very hard to fake card that is affordable even to the unemployed by subsidising it or even making it free, at least for your first card, if you lose it that's on you.

I still don't like the idea because I'm a paranoid poo poo & just assume it'll be used in a way that is disastrous because well, look at the last 50 years of British governments (at least)

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

"what are you gonna do, tase me?"

Remains the best quote ever

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Jun 13, 2012

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keep punching joe posted:

Also if you voted Lib Dem in 2010 (while being a reader of this thread) , you were a mark who refused to heed the clear warnings. I remember the orange book being repeatedly linked here and it was clearly a crock of neolib poo poo. Brown was still the best option at the time and deserved your solidarity for calling that old woman a racist.

Eh, Brown ran away from it almost instantly, I'd not give him owt credit.

If we're honest there really was no good option in 2010. Brown was poo poo. The Lib Dems were poo poo but I get wanting to vote against Brown to try give Labour a bloody nose. I voted SNP because I was in a safe Labour constituency (lol, remember when we had those in Scotland!), Glasgow Central. Muhammad Sarwar passing his seat on to his son Anas felt a bit off for a labour party. Not everyone had the pleasure of being Scottish so I get it. Clegg sucked poo poo but wanting to give New Labour a kick in the teeth to stop taking their core voters for granted was, I think, a very human desire.

Like, it's easy to gloss over Gordon Brown but he really was poo poo and his major disagreements with Blair weren't over policy but who gets to lead

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Relatable though. I ain't answering any calls from work on my holidays.

Me and the head of the Foreign Office, basically the same

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Wonder how Rishi feels about his best bud's wife being the sacrificial lamb. Probably totally fine because these people are all sociopaths who give a poo poo about no one but themselves, but you never know.

Glad I got almost all my Christmas shopping done yesterday.

(Also, gently caress all you who chased Barry Foster out for "doomposting". If you can't be a pessimist about how the government has handled this pandemic after 21 months of this poo poo then when can you be?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Julio Cruz posted:

there's a very large difference between "the government has handed the pandemic badly" (variations of which many people have posted without issue) and "oh god omicron is going to kill us all we're doomed" which was essentially what Barry was posting

Hmmmm.

Barry Foster posted:

It's not looking good re: transmission and vaccine escape, at all

Basically this thing is going to be a tsunami, and we better hope by some miracle that the virus is much, much less severe than Delta

Yeah, OK, I suppose is hyperbolic. It isn't looking good but going from that to "is going to be a tsunami" is a sizeable leap.

Barry Foster posted:

Yup.

Seriously, y'all, invest in KN95 (FFP2) masks, get boosted ASAP, and change your behaviour, because this is probably going to be a nightmare

A little on the histrionic side perhaps but basically amounts to "take basic precautions". And honestly, not even sure that "this is probably going to be a nightmare" isn't fair comment, it's been a nightmare since the virus first got found in this country, has it not? I'm not particularly looking forward to the possibility of a 2nd Christmas without family for example. Of course a new variant that is at appears to be at least as infectious as Delta is a nightmare.

Barry Foster posted:

To the first - the "health experts" saying that are loving insane. A less lethal virus that spreads more quickly is going to kill far more people than a more lethal but less transmissible one. It would be social murder unless, by some miracle, omicron causes no fatalities whatsoever (and then there's the other, non-death outcomes to still worry about)

To the second - that's old and discredited science, there is no selection pressure on covid to become less lethal because it kills long after it's replicated and spread. It could happen by random chance, but there is no inevitable curve towards being less severe.

"Social murder" is an emotive accusation but has also been government policy for 11 & a half years now. I get that we've been dealing with this for a long time now but it's worth going back to read initial government statements on their COVID policy; they clearly decided there was an acceptable number of deaths in order to prevent capital from suffering fiscal losses, what with their transparently insane/wilful misunderstanding of herd immunity. As for the science, well, I'm not an epidemiologist & I probably wouldn't have used such unequivocal language, a less lethal version of the virus with high transmission rate does have an increased opportunity of mutating into something that could be more deadly or is more debilitating in the long-term or makes current vaccines less effective, whatever. But again, it's still not exactly "we're all going to die".

So yeah, Barry's pessimistic & a bit hyperbolic but it's kind of understandable considering, y'know, everything in the last 21 months. Certainly I don't really think he exaggerated as much as you arguing "oh god omicron is going to kill us all we're doomed" is what he was posting.

Pessimism is a rational reaction to the world we're currently in. Chasing folk off for being a bit over cautious is daft. Honestly, if you want doomposting about this poo poo I've not even started.

big scary monsters posted:

it's alright to log off

Fighting words, them are.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 8, 2021

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I will vote for either Greens or SNP in the next general, and if I go SNP it's out of respect for my MP getting blootered on that flight to Gibraltar.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Has ignorance of the law ever worked for an appeal?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Well I tried driving through Glasgow to get home but that just made things worse.

(While I wouldn't want to do it regularly, driving through London is fine as long as you're zen about things - Birmingham is *way* more stressful to drive through IMO)

Glasgow City centre is definitely not designed for unfamiliar drivers. It's all just one-way streets kicking you in the teeth for coming off the motorway

TBH it rules.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

When did "the welfare state" stop meaning cradle to grave care that delivers a positive social and economic benefit in the kind of paternalist Bismarckian manner and start meaning the bad lazy proles, and was it before or after "benefits" stopped meaning pensions and unemployment insurance and social assistance and started meaning bad thing?

Probably about 1979.


BizarroAzrael posted:

Point is that I was aware of the charge but not the arbitrary change to it, it used to not apply at weekends and I never heard of that changing.

Yeah, but they apparently brought in Sunday charges in June 2020. I'm just skeptical that "I didn't know" but if appeals cost nothing then it's up to you.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

I see your point on this and also the rest of your post (genuinely, it's well-argued) but also I'm not going to vote for a party that is literally trying to outflank the Tories from the right on a lot of issues, and that tolerates open transphobia, and that doesn't give a poo poo about rampant Islamophobia, and that supports Israel, and that is willing to let migrants drown to court the gammon vote, and [1001 other issues with the awful fuckers].


BTW thread, if you thought I was being harsh on Monbiot the other day:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1468892008022433797?s=20

He's still loving on about the problem with The Left.

And:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1468892680415494144?s=20

Lol, he's morphed into loving Oz Katerji, calling everybody he doesn't like an Assadist.

Like, he's not wrong. There absolutely is a segment of the left, who are popularly called Tankies, who believe all that poo poo.

The thing is, it's 8 people & they aren't really worth talking about.

Borrovan posted:

Just gonna set out my difficulties with the "let Labour die" argument - as I understand it, it's:

Step one: socialists leave Labour
Step two: ???
Step three: Labour dies
Step four: ???
Step five: profit new socialist party

The problem with step 2 is that the reason why Labour is dying (imo) is because of irreconcilable differences between the left & right of the party. The left leaving just means that the right win, Labour becomes the Tory-lite liberal party of the middle classes. They will eventually find corporate backers, most of the unions will stick around to preserve their influence (don't forget that the trade unions nowadays overwhelmingly represent middle class professionals, & the bigger unions have developed perverse incentives to not actually change much in order to preserve their own existence). The party doesn't die, it just sucks harder.

The problem with step 4 is that the formation of every major party in UK history has been a major seismic shift. Tories (& Whigs) are (/were) as old as Parliamentary democracy. Liberals were born from the industrial revolution. The Labour Party was born from the foundation of the unions (themselves born from a century of violence). There is literally no example of a major party growing from grass roots (e: forgot about the nationalist parties here, but national independence movements are pretty clearly their own thing). Imo the best that can be hoped for is like a left-UKIP, exerting pressure on the Labour Party. Which, like, cool, I guess, but the Labour Party dying, or going more right wing, directly contradicts that.

Personally, I'm still a member, because imo in order for there to be a major left party it has to be the legitimate political wing of the labour movement, which Labour still is, sadly. Right now, Labour happy to kill itself fighting left wing Labour members like me, and if it does that, cool, the unions will need to form a new party I guess, there's our new socialist (or at least unambiguously pro-union) party.

I'm not voting for them though lmao.

OK, let's take the counterpoint in equally reductive terms

Step one: Stay in a Labour Party that hates socialists.
Step two: The Labour Right stay in charge & learn nothing because why would they?
Step three: Somehow this equals a socialist government?

The right have already won. They won when the Labour membership that backed Corbyn gave up in 2021 & elected a liberal as leader. Well, an economic liberal, certainly not a civil libertarian. At this point I just want to see the Labour Party burn for the sheer schadenfreude of it. I hate them.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Borrovan posted:

The Labour right are currently killing the party fighting a war against the Labour left, so no, your analysis breaks down right after step 1. My whole argument (well, the first part) is that all the lefties leaving does not kill the Labour Party, it is lefties staying in that is doing that.

e: also, like, the SCG has as many MPs as literally every party in Parliament apart from the top 3 put together, including all independents. So, "Labour Party that hates socialists" is a bit of an overstatement, that's mainly just the leadership. Not to mention the very many good eggs left in the membership.

Yes, if the SCG MPs left the Labour Party they'd be the 4th largest party in the country instantly, with potential financial support from a few of the largest unions, & hundreds of thousands of people who joined Labour in 2015 to vote for an SCG member as leader. Unfortunately they aren't going to do that because of some misplaced loyalty to a party thats MPs, staff & pretty much anyone else outwith the membership hates them.

If I lived in one of the 35 constituencies that had an SCG MP, I'd probably vote for them. But like the overwhelming majority in this country I don't.

Like, the best argument for Labour is inertia? And frankly schadenfreude beats inertia.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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See, THAT is doomerism, not the mild pessimism of Barry Foster!

Rylance is a good egg.

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Jun 13, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

Pff, I've been more depressed than that even just this week. They should give me a guardian article.

You need a movie to promote.

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Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

I seem to remember there was some other interview a year or two ago with Rylance that showed he was probably a good egg?

He's done a lot of appearances for Stop The War Coalition & has spoken in favour of Corbyn & also argued that conscientious objectors should be allowed to opt out of their taxes paying for the military, which is cool.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

When did we stop calling them tidal waves anyway?

Bloody Brussels Bureaucrats

Convex posted:

They've literally spent a lifetime living nextdoor to the English. what else do you need

I was just going to say this.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

Barry has also repeatedly mentioned mental health trouble. I got the impression that he said he was going to stop posting after it became clear that this was likely affecting his perception of the new strain.

Nah mate, people accused him of doomerism and blamed him for flaring up their anxiety. So he peaced out.

Coronavirus is bad. Not Baz's fault, blame the government for failing to deal with it seriously from day 1, that's what has hosed my anxiety.

Anyway. Miffed the Tories haven't knifed Boris yet. Need some entertainment

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Urgh, I used to enjoy Bald And Bankrupt's videos, but now I know this, it really recontextualizes a whole bunch of stuff. What a horrible prick.

I'd never heard of this guy but looked him up & apparently "In May 2020, after exploring no-lockdown areas during the COVID-19 pandemic in Serbia, Rich disappeared for two months.[17] He later revealed that he had caught COVID-19, and that he could not walk to the bathroom or breathe by the time he sought medical attention. He learned that he had low blood oxygen and was suffering from multiple organ failure before spending a week in an intensive care unit." which is funny

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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stev posted:

Yeah basically everyone involved in that turned out to be a dickhead.

Are Fry and Laurie generally ok these days?

I can't remember why but didn't this thread declare Fry as History's Greatest Monster™?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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fuctifino posted:



He's hosed any chance of being PM over that drinks party he held.

Coffey is getting poo poo too as she held a similar DWP one.

The Patel vs Truss leadership contest gonna be a hoot

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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keep punching joe posted:

LONDON BRIDGE IS DOWN

Don't get hopes up for nothing

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The Perfect Element posted:

Feels a little tacky for an MP to be gossiping on twitter about lack of wedding ring. Especially as she doesn't even know whether he wears one or not.

Like, obviously he's a oval office and I wish he died of Covid, but it's still quite crass.

No, this is Crass: https://youtu.be/Furrw0VDpWM

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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My GP just phoned me up and said "do you want your COVID booster? Cool, we can do you a flu jag at the same time."

The only downer was I won't get it until the 22nd, which was 2 and a half weeks from when they called. If I was willing to go through to Nairn i could have gotten it that week but instead I'm getting it from about 90 seconds walk from home so worth the wait.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

Can't be less inspiring than the One Show (or can it?)


Well, there's no chance Gyles Brandreth shows up during Kieth's broadcast so he's got that over The One Show if nothing else

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Talking of the Scottish government

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1470678651582787589?t=kEddKLqjK6cEABHCu3xKww&s=19

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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smellmycheese posted:

I stayed in Middlesborough for work recently and was amazed at how early the pubs got busy. 4pm weekdays and the places were PACKED. Bouncers on the doors, karaoke belting out, people fighting and boking in gutters. I admired their commitment.

What else are you going to do? Like, there's a reason you can get a 2 bedroom flat less than 30 minutes walk from the town centre for £40k. It's the very definition of post-industrial decary.

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