UKMT Winterval 2021 - Jesu Redemptor Omicron

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Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Alctel posted:

Where did the whole 'the left is actually anti-Semitic' thing come from, it's happening a bit over here in Canada and the US as well (noticeably with bernie but that failed pretty spectacularly for obvious reasons)

(I posted this on the old thread at identically the same time as Guav made this one so repeating myself here:

You may think that (re Bernie) but the current incarnation of the Labour party is busily kicking out many left-wing Jews for 'anti-semitism' aka 'pro basic human rights for Palestinians', especially members of Jewish Voice for Labour ( https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/ ) who are actually Jewish and actually party members, unlike Jewish Labour Movement (defunct until 2015 when strangely Jumbly Crobyns got elected LOTO) who claim to speak for Jews in Labour who do not have to be Jewish nor members of the party.

Can't find it right now but saw something a few days ago that if you are a leftwing Jew you are 31x (IIRC) more likely to be kicked out of the party for anti-semitism (aka not worshipping at the feet of the actions of the government of the state of Israel) than anyone else.

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 19:41

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Just doing my calendar for next year and I notice Boxing Day comes before Christmas day.

Broken Britain

That's because Xmas Day is on a Sunday so the substitute day is the Tuesday.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 12:55

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

therattle posted:

Re leftwing antisemitism, my brother is a very committed Zionist. He, for example, believes that the threat to Jews is far greater from the left than the right (I feel pretty strongly otherwise). He brought up this as an example (and while searching I also found the second example, which is a bit more nuanced):

https://forward.com/news/476921/sunrise-dc-zionist-jewish-groups-voting-rights-rally-israel/

https://momentmag.com/star-of-david-pride-flags-unwelcome-at-dc-dyke-march/

To me those are where anti-Zionism starts bleeding into anti-semitism (in part because the Israeli government has enthusiastically promoted the link between Judaism and Israel, but also in part because I think that some left-wing groups can be over-zealous in policing Zionism - for reasons which may be anti-semitic but may not.)

I have been wrestling with why Israel gets such a disproportionate focus. I know some of the explanations (it's an American imperialist proxy, it's colonialist and anti-colonialism is so hot right now etc), and human rights violations by other countries do get protested but not to the same degree. I am just not 100% convinced. There is no active and vigorous BDS campaign against China for what is cultural genocide against the Uighur* and Tibetans (and most other minorities); against Saudi Arabia (we know why); Turkey for its treatment of Kurds, etc. Now I know: i) my responses result from years of conditioning which are hard to shed; and ii) there are causes which become more popular than others for whatever reason, eg apartheid in the 80s, Tibet in the 90s - and right now the focus is on Israel. But I still can't escape the little voice at the back of my mind that part of the amount of focus from the left on Israel, and its sheer vociferousness, is in some cases anti-semitic.

* This is well worth reading

Haven't read your links yet, however, I just did a swift google of 'campaigns against china' and both US and UK government as well as labour party / Corbyn etc are all involved.* (In 2015 Corbyn brought up the human rights / Uyghur issues directly with Xi Jinping. Also, Corbyn called for sanctions against Turkey re treatment of Kurds. *thus noone is pretending they are the good guys.

My gut (NB not in-depth or thoroughly worked through!) thought is that why you don't hear about the other countries is partly because the press don't report them though surprisingly the Mail reported the Corbyn / Xi Jinping meeting. (Heil/news/article-3280795/Corbyn-challenge-China-s-strongman-president-Xi-Jinping-human-rights-abuse-private-one-one-talks-today.html) but also because Israel is heavily funded by the US with an extremely advanced military (or so I am given to understand) yet is considered the victim against big nasty Palestinian rockets.

I also acknowledge that there is anti-semitism on the left and occasionally anti-zionism and anti-semitism do merge. (And in my experience of various groups on FB which I have long since abandoned when these items come up) is this also ties in with the tinfoil hatters 'the international conspiracy of jews and bankers' or lizards element of the fringe, some of whom have latched on to the far right and some onto the left).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Dec 1, 2021

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 13:04

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Angrymog posted:

It was mentioned in the last thread with no follow-up, so does anyone know what is wrong with The Donkey Sanctuary as a charity?

Yes I would like to know too as they were one of the organisations working with us at the pyramids after the revolution along with the Brook, helping the camels, horses and donkeys that were in a dreadful state (no tourism = no food or medical aid for the animals who weren't in the best of condition anyway.)

(Though I saw some bad reports on trip advisor about one of the sanctuaries.)

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Dec 1, 2021

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 13:46

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Re further on Israel / Palestine

I was just thinking that Palestine existed for centuries and was under British mandate from around 1920 before the founding of Israel and Britain is directly implicated in the situation via Sykes-Picot & Balfour so the British do have some responsibility for what is going on there.

I guess I should also disclose for rattle (as I have mentioned on here before but poss before rattle's time), I have very personal reasons for interest in this area, it's not just a 'popular lefty cause' for me.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 13:56

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Call me old but two of my exes were called Terry so I refer to one as Terry the First and the other as Terry the Pathetic (because he was).
My parents thought Terry and June (Terry Scott and June Whitfield) was the epitome of sophisticated comedy.
The fact that they bore a physical resemblance to T&J may have had something to do with it.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 15:32

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

keep punching joe posted:

Good news everyone, we don't have to worry about Omicron anymore

https://twitter.com/Snrovy/status/1466051942774358024

They're sending Bruce Willis up aren't they to give a tiny moon orbiting it a nudge. Can't see any danger with that, no sirree.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 15:52

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/graduate-jobs-unemployment-covid-pandemic-b1967654.html

quote:

Unemployed graduates are at risk from unscrupulous employers using the pandemic as an excuse to exploit them with low or no pay, experts warned today. They also report that university-leavers desperate for a �life-raft� are taking jobs only to be told they will not be paid �because of Covid�.

It comes as competition for graduate jobs is at a record high, with a backlog of former students from last year adding to the pressure on the job hunt for this year�s graduates. Latest government figures show the unemployment rate for graduates aged 21 to 30 is 6.3 per cent, compared to just 2.5 per cent for their older peers aged 31 to 40, and it is even lower for graduates aged over 40.

A report by the Institute of Student Employers found there are now more than 90 applications for every graduate position, a 17 per cent increase on last year and the highest number since data started being collected in 1999.

Tanya de Grunwald, founder of careers website Graduate Fog, the Good and Fair Employers Club and author of How to Get a Graduate Job in a Pandemic, said the job market is currently a �wild west� for graduates. She said: �The backdrop of the pandemic has given unscrupulous employers the perfect excuse to take advantage of young people who are either na�ve or vulnerable or desperate for a job. If you are a graduate looking for a job now there is a lot to be careful of. We saw something similar in the 2008 crisis. There is a struggle for a life-raft.�

etc

Surely not paying for work is illegal (unless it is clearly a voluntary position)?

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 16:17

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

ThomasPaine posted:

I think the reason people get so defensive on this subject is that if feels like 95% of the time everyone has clearly made up their own mind already and is just trying to spin whatever new 'evidence' comes out to suit their own ends. One side thinks criticising sources that have almost all been produced by rabidly anti-communist US think tanks and insane weirdos like Zenz makes you a genocide apologist, the other thinks saying 'oh hey china might be doing a bad thing' makes you a CIA-funded psyop. It's a pointless argument honestly because it's just people yelling at each other and, weirdly enough, is very very rarely actually about the welfare of Uyghurs. It's pure ideological grandstanding.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the sequence of events:

1. China is an authoritarian country doing authoritarian country things
2. Chinese policy is disproportionately affecting Uyghur Muslims, because they as a group have become associated with separatist politics
3. There is a broad cultural trend of Han chauvinism which means most people don't much care about 2
4. Some people speak out about 1, China responds by doing more of 1, because 1.
5. The USA, which could not give a drat about 2 but very much wants to cultivate hostility towards China senses an opportunity to manipulate popular opinion.
6. US think-tanks produce research that uses selective evidence to massively exaggerate the extent of the issue.
7. This encourages the anti-china crowd to go balls to the wall, social media is filled with disturbing footage and photographs allegedly from Xinjiang. Some of this is real, some of it trivial to discredit.
8. 4 find 6 very receptive to their genuine stories about 1, are happy someone is listening.
9. 6 discovers that many of 4 don't much like China either, and are more than happy to co-operate, while others are so desperate to be heard that they are easy to manipulate into saying whatever the interviewer leads them to.
10. 6 is now comfortable claiming that China is now literally doing a Holocaust, using a variety of 'evidence' from 4 and 7 to back up this conclusion. Some of their sources are legit, many are not, or are highly exaggerated - often because 6 deliberately manufactured the most highly inflammatory testimonies they could.
11. The Western media and institutions eat up 10 because 6 are highly influential, and it becomes an accepted truth within some international organisations. Going against it is perceived as outright genocide denial, dissuading much mainstream criticism and reinforcing the story.
12. Some people realise that certain pieces of evidence and testimony are completely full of holes.
13. Most people steer well clear because 6 is now a self-evident truth and they don't want to be ostracised.
14. Tankies, being no strangers to ostracism, take this to mean that the whole thing is a fabrication and insist China is a utopia among other insane tankie things.
15. This actually benefits the the narrative of 10, because the only people rejecting the conclusion are utter weirdoes.
16. China also uses 12 to cover itself, claiming that 10 is bullshit (probably correct), and that following on from that 1, 2, and 3 are also bullshit (probably very much incorrect).
17. 16 being a dumb claim, Western institutions take it as further proof of 10.
18. We are stuck in a stupid rut where there are basically no good faith actors whatsover.

Hey, maybe years down the line I'll have my own Noam Chomsky moment, but right now I see no reason to just swallow what the PR wing of a country known for pulling this poo poo time and time again when they want to manufacture consent to intervene in foreign affairs tells me wholesale.

I have to say, I really like the clarity of the way you have laid this out.

I'm not up on the uyghur situation at all (other than it is 'a bad thing that is happening') and hadn't heard of Zenz until this very thread.

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 18:13

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

China is making huge inroads into Africa, investing in ports, rail and road infrastructure amongst other things.
I can imagine why some Western powers of a hegamonic bent find that disconcerting.
Apart from anything, the Chinese don't demand various 'human rights' improvements the way Western countries do.

Good overview of Chinese investment in Africa here:

https://www.orfonline.org/research/chinas-belt-and-road-initiative-implications-in-africa/

Also in this link some reports of push-back from some African countries.
I know too that following covid and the Chinese being blamed for it anyone with oriental looks was getting spat at and abused in Egypt. (Not only Chinese, other foreigners too.)

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 22:21

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Borrovan posted:

I thought Young Labour was always (recently) good.

It's Labour Students that can get to gently caress

Didn't one of the YL leaders get suspended or something recently?

Fake ed: yes, here: she was suspended at 1am by email (as were a number of people) and then unsuspended.

https://labourlist.org/2021/09/young-labour-chair-under-investigation-by-party-over-anti-transphobia-tweets/

A fresh row between Young Labour chair Jess Barnard and the Labour Party has exploded as the activist was informed overnight that she is under investigation over two anti-transphobia tweets posted last year.

Labour Students alumni: Wes Streeting, and Luciana Berger who claimed she needed a police escort to labour party conference but it was a lie.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 3, 2021

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 22:42

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Kin posted:

Thanks (and also to the others who got in touch).

He was born this morning at 8am. There were some weird heart rate issues yesterday so we had to get a c-section this morning instead of inducing labor.

Managed to spend the whole day with him before getting kicked out of the hospital visiting hours which was awesome. Though he cried a hell of a lot less than i was expecting, barely anything at all, though getting him his initial feed was tricky. That's probably not gonna keep up is it (the lack of crying i mean)?

Currently crashing due to just getting 4 hours of sleep last night, but felt like it was worth it.

Congratulations!

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 01:12

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Missed this one.
Yeah, I know it's only a ward but still:

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1466729259033104389?s=20

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 03:23

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Article by Sharon Graham on Unite's position now:

https://labourlist.org/2021/12/sharon-graham-im-trying-to-get-what-we-do-politically-to-mean-something/

quote:

�I said to Keir Starmer when I met him in this office, I find it disappointing � and I�m being diplomatic � I find it disappointing that Labour are not coming out far more robustly in terms of what�s happening to workers and communities.� Sharon Graham is speaking to LabourList in her Unite office to mark her first 100 days as the union�s general secretary.

Describing her meeting with the Labour leader, she continues: �I said to him, �look, my conversations with you will not be about the internal machinations of Labour, it will be about practical things that Labour should be doing in order to drive forward what�s happening to workers�. And obviously, I said to him that I think that they are not stepping up to the plate as far as workers are concerned.�

etc

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 10:01

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Lady Gaza posted:

I�m originally from down that way, it�s always been full of old people, but anecdotally I know a lot of people who lived in London moving down there in their 30s to have a family by the sea. So maybe the change in demographic is the cause of this. I think something similar happened to Canterbury in a GE?

My wife and I recently moved to Tonbridge and were surprised that the council for the town itself is Green, and all the surrounding areas are Tory. Then again the town does seem to skew younger than the villages which seem to be gammon central.

Didn't Canterbury give us the amazingly wonderful Rosie Duffield /s :birdthunk:

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 10:54

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

EvilHawk posted:

Out of interest, does anyone have any idea why I might be blocked from going on the NHS website in Chrome? Works perfectly fine in Edge so I'm not IP blocked, and doesn't work in Chrome Incognito so probably not a cookie thing. I get an Access Denied message every time.

If it's either of the two links you quoted in your post, I'm on Chrome and they both worked for me.
Clear cookies and try again maybe? Perhaps the site was having an off moment when you tried.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 11:34

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

I'm glad I've got the little card even if it counts for nothing (at the moment).
Just thinking of all those Windrush people whose paper proofs were all destroyed without being scanned first, and other successes of government IT.
No way do I trust the government on the subject of holding digital records with no paper backups.

Got my booster today. At least it was local this time - 10 mins walk away - not in the Cwmbran stadium which I could only access in under two days travel (there and back) and an overnight stay by pesking someone to give me a lift! (Overnight stay in Newport travelodge cheaper than taxi!)

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 21:40

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Comrade Fakename posted:

Apologies for posting my own tweet, easiest way to get the image off my iPad:

https://twitter.com/alexduin/status/1467296174013091848

Why is it LOL? What am I missing?

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 02:09

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Jedit posted:

It's been retweeted by Marvel Universe.

So suggesting they just auto-retweeted it because it mentioned Black Panther rather than a thought out retweet?

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 02:38

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Comrade Fakename posted:

Twitter�s algorithm automatically recommends tweets to you based on what it thinks they�re about. In this case, it thought a tweet about Fred Hampton was about Marvel, presumably because it mentions the Black Panthers.

Aha.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 02:42

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/migrants_rights/status/1467435088237498372

So long as they start with removing the passports of all the tory ministers and MPs who take drugs first.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 11:50

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Also makes it almost impossible to get a job or home as employers / landlords are required to check for citizenship ie passport.

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 13:47

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Ooof just found out a few minutes ago that a close friend of 47 years' husband died last night - he had an operation a few days ago so not clear if related. Thing is she is very disabled. She lives near London so I can't dash over there but she says lots of local friends and neighbours are popping in. I don't know how she will manage (he was disabled too but not the same way).

It's a weird feeling. I was wondering just this morning when the first of my close friends or siblings would pass on now I'm in the land of the over 60s, and how many I will never hear about.

re ID cards.

I think the biggest problem with the UK is they wouldn't satisfy themselves with just a photo, name, home town, date of birth, magic number, and sometimes religion or marital status on a card like a lot of countries but would insist on loading it up with all your bank, medical, criminal records too.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Dec 5, 2021

# ¿ Dec 5, 2021 15:14

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

If anyone is interested in a socialist novel (fiction but has connection to real events) set in the Welsh Valleys coal mines pre WW2 (and written in 1937)I highly recommend Cwmardy by Lewis Jones.

I found it in my late father's books a couple of weeks ago and just started reading it last week, just 50 pages to go. I'll be ordering the follow up book "We Live" when I've finished this. Despite it being written over 80 years ago, it's an easy read.

Wiki about the author (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Jones_(writer))

quote:

Lewis Jones, writer, and political activist of the left, (28 December 1897 � 27 January 1939) was born in Clydach Vale in industrialised South Wales.[1]

Although his novels are more studied by academics now than by general readers, Jones occupies an honourable place in the history of left-wing politics in Britain, and in the ranks of socialist writers. Like many young activists of his generation he attended the Central Labour College in London from 1923�25, where he joined the Communist Party of Great Britain. During the 1926 General Strike he was imprisoned for three months in Swansea Prison for his trade union activities in the Nottinghamshire coalfield.

Once back at the pits, he became chairman and then checkweighman of the Cambrian Lodge of the South Wales Miners Federation. Although often seen as a lesser post to that of Lodge Chairman, in a time of industrial unrest the checkweighman was a vital part of the miners' protection against employers using piece work rules to drive down wages, and it was a role in which Jones was likely to routinely come into conflict with management.

In 1929, he resigned, refusing to work with 'scab' (non-unionised) labour. He remained unemployed for the rest of his life, although, he was likely to be permanently busy on political business. He was extremely popular amongst the rank-and-file Party members, but his association with "Hornerism" (Communists working within established trades unions), his turbulent private life and his distrust of the cult of personality (he was sent home from the Soviet Union for ignoring a standing ovation to Joseph Stalin) meant that he was repeatedly suspended and disciplined by the Party. As the Welsh organiser for the National Unemployed Workers Movement, widely regarded as a Communist front, he led the 1932, 1934 and 1936 hunger marches to London. Also in 1936, he was elected as one of the two Communist members on to the Glamorgan County Council. In South Wales at this time his attachment to the Communist Party would not have harmed his reputation as a political activist and leader.

Lewis Jones died on 27 January 1939 at the end of a day in which he addressed over 30 meetings in support of the republican side of the Spanish Civil War.[2] He is buried at Trealaw Cemetery in Trealaw.

His books provide a description of life in a Welsh mining community of their time; there is an awareness of the crisis of masculinity that mass unemployment brought home to those communities, and the description of workers in struggle with their employers is unflinching in its acknowledgement of defeat as well as victory.[1]

Pre-NHS, pre-welfare state, and somewhat pre-unions. Big Jim is a miner and his son Len can't wait to leave school and get down the mine. The book covers strikes over the mining company's attempts to cut the wages, when the police and army were sent in, Len developing as a leader and other matters of poverty.

I find myself wondering how much of Lewis Jones is reflected in Len!

You can read it online here:

https://www.library.wales/digital-e...0%2C3732%2C3173

Available from various bookshops, too.

These real life events (Tonypandy 1910) are reflected in the book:
http://www.agor.org.uk/cwm/themes/events/tonypandy.asp

Senghenydd pit explosion 1913 in which 439 miners were killed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/waleshistory/2011/10/the_senghenydd_pit_disaster.html

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Dec 6, 2021

# ¿ Dec 6, 2021 00:17

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

NoneMoreNegative posted:

You should sub to the Lorirocks YouTube if you haven't already, it's one of my favourite chill out channels

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNvqtvsiczNTQLwuUwHGndQ

Just 4K cab views of trips through some stunning scenery (you really need an Adblock here for uninterrupted travelling)

That reminds me - when I very first worked in rail as a temp secretary, one of the engineers said to me "If my wife calls, tell her I've gone on a cab ride." Me, not appreciating the terminology, when his wife rang I said "He's gone off in a taxi somewhere".

# ¿ Dec 6, 2021 16:45

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Government now plotting to throw out judicial rulings it doesn't like.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/judicial-review-dominic-raab-braverman-johnson-grieve-b1970625.html

Fascism, here we are.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2021 17:03

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Gonzo McFee posted:

Dudes job is literally to understand politics and he thought Nandy was a good choice for leader. Come the gently caress on.

Well the choice was pretty terrible. I went RLB as a sort of 'continuity Corbyn' even though I wasn't over-impressed. If it had been Nandy v Starmer I would have gone Nandy. No way was I voting Starmer.

I heard rather a lot of disparaging remarks about RLB amongst Labour members before the voting that 'she looks like someone who works behind the makeup counter at Boots not a party leader'. However, as all 3 candidates signed up to the BoD pledges I was pretty disgusted with all of them.

Re Monbiot:

On the whole I see him similarly to some of my friends who are on healthy incomes in IT or hospital docs but are essentially caring 'soft socialist' types.
The mistake they make is to think reading the Guardian (and - worse - believing it as some great bastion of truth) makes them 'left wing'.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Dec 7, 2021

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 00:03

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/06/which-top-uk-politicians-have-admitted-to-drug-use

7 listed 5 tories including BloJo + starmer and nandy

Lock 'em all up I say.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 03:04

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Seems like every other week there's a storm.
Did we always have this amount of storms or is it only since we started giving them names?

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 11:53

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Wow!

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/palestinian-action-activists-found-not-guilty-of-criminal-damage

quote:

Palestinian Action activists found not guilty of criminal damage

...

Judge Marcus Waites said in his judgement at Newcastle-under-Lyme Magistrates Court that the defendants believed Palestine was an important issue and that they believed in what they were doing.

He also said that the location was deliberately chosen, that the duration of the protest and the disruption caused were limited and that there was no danger to public order.

...

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 12:45

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Is Allegra Stratton a bit tipsy in that clip? Looks like it to me. My mum gets like that after a packet of wine gums.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2021 20:56

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Remember how Corbyn was roasted in the press for being present at a wake for someone with 6 people (max allowed at the time) and then when a 7th turned up, he didn't leave immediately and was fined �200 (and paid up without a murmur)

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 02:30

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Good Lord! Kuennsberg in damning* condemnation of BloJo

quote:

To put it diplomatically, Boris Johnson has always had an unusual relationship with the truth.

*given the usual brown-nosing and arslikan she normally displays to Alex Pepper, this is damning from her!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59573845

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 09:17

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Shyrka posted:

This is actually an example of how his 'bumbling' persona is a pure manipulative act, there was some kind of problem/scandal with the buses in London while he was mayor and that story completely gummed up search results if anyone were to google for it.

I thought it had more to do with the brexit promise of �350m per week for the NHS written on the side of a bus

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 15:25

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

ThomasPaine posted:

Yeah I honestly struggle to understand the outrage on this, as if Tories openly laughing in our faces hasn't been standard practice for over a decade.

Maybe before they thought Bozza Wot A Larf was laughing WITH them at lefty woke snowflakes welfare skiving scroungers refugees etc but now, just maybe, they start to realize he was laughing AT them. And people don't like that.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 15:52

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Camrath posted:

So with all this Christmas talk, I could use some input.

My parents, bless their little hearts, are convinced that we need to have a massive family Christmas at their place in northern France, with myself, my wife, my brother, his wife and their two young kids (3 and 1).

My wife and I are already not keen on doing this- it�ll be a seven or eight hour drive each way, costing north of a grand to be able to get there. That�s before you add in that my brother is a lib-dem oval office who delights in winding me up and upsetting me until I lose my rag- he�s been doing it for 35 years and counting- and gets even more unpleasant when he drinks. He and his family are taking over the part of the property where we�d normally stay, meaning we�d be stuck in a spare room in my parent�s part, with no real place to retreat to.

And as of Thursday France now requires PCR tests before travel, plus the UK requires one on return. Adding another 4-500 plus to the cost, which we just can�t afford.

Add to that it just feels super irresponsible to travel basically the length of the country and to another at the moment- we�d be coming from Shropshire, my brother from Devon and my parents from London.

I don�t know why I�m putting this here other than to vent, but I�d appreciate someone telling me that I�m not being a dick by being unwilling to do all of this shite and spend all this money on a trip I don�t want to take and which feels just super irresponsible.

Just say "no, we can't afford it". Sounds like a lot of money to be stressed out of your brain.

I personally can't stand all the emotional blackmail that goes on at Xmas. And I know one of my siblings is still festering and full of hatred for one of our nephews who was in his late teens and suffering from depression and who didn't turn up to a 'family' Xmas at her house 4 years ago and thus 'ruined christmas' (forever and an aye - she still rants and raves about it given any opportunity eg any time his name is mentioned).

That said, I'm probably the worst to ask because I haven't celebrated Xmas for about 26 years now (with two exceptions - one when I came under extreme emotional blackmail from the sibling mentioned above about 15 years ago, and once in Cairo when an Italian friend invited me over).

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 19:42

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Not the point, but it's deeply weird to see Her Majesty Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, eating her dinner off her knees. I mean I'm sure the plate costs more than my house and the cutlery is made from solid silver stolen off a Spanish galleon, but she just looks like your nan watching Corrie.

She looks almost like my mum in that pic. (The Queen, not Maxwell or the other woman).
I heard the queen likes pottering around at Balmoral in quite a primitive kitchen making pots of tea and so forth.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 22:33

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

From poster on reddit:

[SANKEY]Redfield Poll (8 Dec): Labour 38% (+2) Conservative 34% (-4) Liberal Democrat 11% (+2) Green 6% (�) Reform UK 5% (+1) Scottish National Party 4% (�) Other 1% (-1) Changes +/- 6 Dec

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/rc1wz4/sankeyredfield_poll_8_dec_labour_38_2/

Some interesting movements there.
I'm not surprised by the movement of some Brexit Party to Labour as this would have been one of my grandmas - basically pro-socialist pro-labour but racist. She would never have voted tory but she would happily have voted UKIP or Brexit.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 8, 2021

# ¿ Dec 8, 2021 23:47

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Private Speech posted:

I mean, well, I'm still going to vote Labour.

They might be rubbish but might as well.

I'll probably hold my nose and vote Labour round here too. It's a tory seat but labour usually come a reasonable second in the constituency, but not in my specific town which has its own sandal-wearing, knit-your-own muesli, do-gooder vibe.
If I really can't bring myself to vote Labour I'll go Plaid.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2021 00:18

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 19:41

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

My MP is Stella Creasy. There's nothing that could get me to vote for her under this current leadership. I didn't particularly enjoy voting for her when Corbyn was in charge

Did you live there when Neil Gerrard was the MP? He was left - cut rather in the mould of Michael Foot.

I wrote to him about the Iraq War which is when I found out that at the time (and maybe still now, I'm not sure), the UK could go to war without going through parliament. (He voted against Iraq war).

I also wrote to him in 2005 saying I was sorry I would not be able to vote for him because Blair would take it as a vindication of support for him. (He still won Walthamstow though).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Dec 9, 2021

# ¿ Dec 9, 2021 12:41

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