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skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Here's Rich Eisen, who is normally a big college football fan, giving a pretty detailed description of how the new $100 million LSU contract for college football coaches is accelerating college sports' transformation with more and more money going back into football and causing smaller schools to gamble huge amounts of money to compete.

https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1465764414544433152

LSU is also going to pay Orgeron $17mil to gently caress off and not coach.

Colleges paid $500 million the last decade to coaches they *fired* just in football and women's basketball. Just, paying out contracts.

skylined! fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Dec 1, 2021

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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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GhostofJohnMuir posted:

what are the prospects for actual movement on build back better this month? at what point would schumer and pelosi acknowledge that it isn't happening if manchin and sinema keep kicking the can down the road?

it feels like there's been an ominous silence the last few weeks, and if i recall they have to raise the debt ceiling again this month, which seems like it will be taking up a decent amount of bandwidth

Schumer says they want it on the floor for amendments on December 13th and passed before Christmas Day. So, expect a December 24th, 11:59 pm vote.

The two remaining sticking points are:

Manchin has "an energy issue" he hasn't specified and wants to pull out the paid leave that the House added back in.

Sanders and Menendez want to pull out the House SALT provision and are working on a SALT compromise to cap the benefit for people who make less than $400,000. Menendez wants to either make the cap $500,000 or move the income cap to $1 million instead and put a different cap on total benefits, so people making $1 over the limit won't lose all the benefit.

They also have to pass a CR to not shut down the government, a debt ceiling extension (maybe), and the NDAA first.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Dec 1, 2021

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Cranappleberry posted:

Apparently Dr. Mehmet Oz is running for senate in Pennsylvania as a republican:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/30/dr-oz-announces-senate-bid-523530

Much like everything else Oz does, it's a grift/con. He lives in Jersey, works in New York, and only voted in PA because he used his in-laws address.
So that may hurt him, maybe.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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OAquinas posted:

Much like everything else Oz does, it's a grift/con. He lives in Jersey, works in New York, and only voted in PA because he used his in-laws address.
So that may hurt him, maybe.

Seems like if he wanted to grift/con, then it would be better to stay grifting/conning on his national TV show selling miracle anti-aging and cancer-fighting gummies that has already made him over $120 million already instead.

Abner Assington
Mar 13, 2005

For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Seems like if he wanted to grift/con, then it would be better to stay grifting/conning on his national TV show selling miracle anti-aging and cancer-fighting gummies that has already made him over $120 million already instead.
The grift fuels the ego until the ego needs more than the grift to sate itself.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Abner Assington posted:

The grift fuels the ego until the ego needs more than the grift to sate itself.

Yeah, that was my point. I don't think he is doing this for money. He's "won" money and is now moving onto the prestige contest.

But, he is choosing to run for Senate in a state he doesn't live in instead of just starting a huge charity or going to space.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Seems like if he wanted to grift/con, then it would be better to stay grifting/conning on his national TV show selling miracle anti-aging and cancer-fighting gummies that has already made him over $120 million already instead.

agreed, why would Donald Trump ever run for president

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Oz being a grifter isn’t an issue in a GOP primary

I do wonder if him being Muslim is a problem though

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Who is the next most popular Republican in Massachusetts that will end up being Governor since Massachusetts loves them some Republican Governors?

https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1466051784514879491

kzin602
May 14, 2007




Grimey Drawer

FlamingLiberal posted:

Oz being a grifter isn’t an issue in a GOP primary

I do wonder if him being Muslim is a problem though

I wonder if being "one of the good ones" provides a boost.

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009

OAquinas posted:

Much like everything else Oz does, it's a grift/con. He lives in Jersey, works in New York, and only voted in PA because he used his in-laws address.
So that may hurt him, maybe.

It might be a grift but I don't know if that fits with his personality.

His goal has always been to accomplish more MORE MORE. He's an extremely driven person with charisma, flexible ethics, name recognition, and has been incredible at targeting a specific demographic.

He's one of the best cardio-thoracic surgeons in the world and that wasn't enough. He's a great scientist (when he isn't hocking poo poo) and that wasn't enough. He went on Opera and became a famous TV doctor and that wasn't enough. He got his own show and hocked false miracle cures and that wasn't enough.

Now, will he win? Almost surely not.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

FlamingLiberal posted:

Oz being a grifter isn’t an issue in a GOP primary

I do wonder if him being Muslim is a problem though

When he talks about religion, it tends to be in terms of gauzy, soft-focus ~spirituality~. He's not exactly out there talking about how he applies the values of the Quran to his daily life.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Cranappleberry posted:

It might be a grift but I don't know if that fits with his personality.

His goal has always been to accomplish more MORE MORE. He's an extremely driven person with charisma, flexible ethics, name recognition, and has been incredible at targeting a specific demographic.

He's one of the best cardio-thoracic surgeons in the world and that wasn't enough. He's a great scientist (when he isn't hocking poo poo) and that wasn't enough. He went on Opera and became a famous TV doctor and that wasn't enough. He got his own show and hocked false miracle cures and that wasn't enough.

Now, will he win? Almost surely not.

PA is an almost 50/50 state and (even though prediction elections a year out is always a fool's game) 2022 looks like it will be a good year for Republicans.

I think he has a solid chance of winning the general.

The only other major candidate in the Republican primary is a business owner and local GOP chairman. He could beat Oz in the primary by being a more "traditional" Republican and stressing his local history and creds. But, if Oz wins the primary, I think he has at least a 50/50 shot.

Fighting Trousers posted:

When he talks about religion, it tends to be in terms of gauzy, soft-focus ~spirituality~. He's not exactly out there talking about how he applies the values of the Quran to his daily life.

Yeah, he is very into "our faith," "the God of Abraham," and "the power of the divine." I think some of the really strict fundies might be turned off by his self-proclaimed loved of mysticism, meditiation, yoga, crystals, etc. But, I doubt tons of people care or know and it won't be a major campaign issue. Those fundies definitely won't care enough to not vote for him in a general election.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 1, 2021

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Aren't the Republican base turning to essential oils and faith healing anyway

It's not like they care how Christian their candidates are, aren't they in love with an obviously irreligious philandering serial-marriaging pussy grabber who owns casinos and strip clubs, moonlighted in porn, brags about ogling teen beauty pageant contestants etc

I guess Öz's GOP opponent could go full white hood with it, but is that gonna work against the friendly white-passing doctor that all the olds love to watch on Oprah

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Dec 1, 2021

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
If Dr. Oz is a successful conman, that's even more reason to worry. Conman skills are basically politician skills.

EDIT:

I'm wondering how much Oprah clout there is now. How has it been since her show has actually been on the air?

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:


Sanders and Menendez want to pull out the House SALT provision and are working on a SALT compromise to cap the benefit for people who make less than $400,000. Menendez wants to either make the cap $500,000k or move the income cap to $1 million instead and put a different cap on total benefits, so people making $1 over the limit won't lose all the benefit.

Oh, hilarious, Congress suddenly notices benefits cliffs when they affect people who make $500,001 after years of not noticing it for people who make $15,001 or whatever.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Eric Cantonese posted:

If Dr. Oz is a successful conman, that's even more reason to worry. Conman skills are basically politician skills.

Yeah, Oz is gonna be right at home in the arena political. It's an apparatus purpose-built to attract people like that.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Fighting Trousers posted:

When he talks about religion, it tends to be in terms of gauzy, soft-focus ~spirituality~. He's not exactly out there talking about how he applies the values of the Quran to his daily life.
Yes, but this is the new post-Trump conspiracy driven GOP we’re talking about

Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Who is the next most popular Republican in Massachusetts that will end up being Governor since Massachusetts loves them some Republican Governors?

https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1466051784514879491

Hard to say, maybe Karyn Polito (current Lt Governor). She's already confirmed as not running though I believe. Diehl is probably the front runner of the currently announced people, but Lelling would likely be a stronger candidate.


However we might see another D Governor pop up though after everything that's been happening to push people further into their respective parties of late. Depends on who would be running for it. If Maura Healey jumps in the race I'd consider her a pretty strong candidate for it.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Kavanaugh - who Susan Collins says she is very confident will never vote to weaken abortion rights - just said during oral arguments that "returning the abortion issue to the states" is the new middle ground and the court shouldn't seek to mandate or ban abortion by judicial fiat.

Combined with Roberts' brief in Gonzales v. Carhart and the stated positions of ACB, Thomas, and Alito, that makes 5 votes in favor of gutting 98% of Roe v. Wade.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
Well, thank Bret for reintroducing one of the few issues that will give the Dems actually policy to run on

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Kavanaugh - who Susan Collins says she is very confident will never vote to weaken abortion rights - just said during oral arguments that "returning the abortion issue to the states" is the new middle ground and the court shouldn't seek to mandate or ban abortion by judicial fiat.

Combined with Roberts' brief in Gonzales v. Carhart and the stated positions of ACB, Thomas, and Alito, that makes 5 votes in favor of gutting 98% of Roe v. Wade.

This seems like it's pretty in-line with the Democrats' party values; they've decided individual states should determine if they take renter's aid or Medicaid expansion funds as well. What's the cause for concern here?

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Let's return this question to the states that are being increasingly gerrymandered in favor of the party that wants to ban abortion. A very neutral compromise

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights"

That is, unless the courts decide by judicial fiat that you're not allowed to have control over your own body anymore, in which case your rights are derived from government. What a totally normal and functional system we have.

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Who is the next most popular Republican in Massachusetts that will end up being Governor since Massachusetts loves them some Republican Governors?

https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1466051784514879491

It's Shiva's time to shine!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Kavanaugh - who Susan Collins says she is very confident will never vote to weaken abortion rights - just said during oral arguments that "returning the abortion issue to the states" is the new middle ground and the court shouldn't seek to mandate or ban abortion by judicial fiat.

Combined with Roberts' brief in Gonzales v. Carhart and the stated positions of ACB, Thomas, and Alito, that makes 5 votes in favor of gutting 98% of Roe v. Wade.
Whaaaat Susan Collins is a liar, no way

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Kavanaugh - who Susan Collins says she is very confident will never vote to weaken abortion rights - just said during oral arguments that "returning the abortion issue to the states" is the new middle ground and the court shouldn't seek to mandate or ban abortion by judicial fiat.

Combined with Roberts' brief in Gonzales v. Carhart and the stated positions of ACB, Thomas, and Alito, that makes 5 votes in favor of gutting 98% of Roe v. Wade.

Former PA Dem. governor William Robert Casey Sr. is grinning in hell that he was the trigger for this. :angel:

A big flaming stink posted:

i know its cheating to post matty, but come the gently caress on

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1465844125752864770

matty its not actually cool to help your brother abuse women

Gone with the wind; I assume it was about the Cuomo Bros.?

DarkCrawler posted:

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/11/republicans-wisconsin-ron-johnson-voting-rights-gerrymandering-midterms

How Americans realizing they don't live in a democracy and freaking the gently caress out is not a bigger issue, I will never know. Even the left is just talking about a faceless oligarchy manipulating voting - yeah, okay but could we first maybe talk about how some votes are literally worth more then others?

Because it's been going on forever, and is cross-partisan, maybe. It's a way for party leaders to shut out anyone not toeing the line, or who might threaten to do so, such as Marie Newman & Chuy Garcia in IL or Katie Porter in CA.

Voters have no say in gerrymandering (especially since it's usually done behind closed doors), as they have no say in myriad other political strategies. And when some of us point out that we don't live in a democracy we're called nihilists & doomers.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 1, 2021

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
It's not like Susan Collins is going to need an abortion soon and I don't think Maine wlll ever go that far right, so I guess there's no reason for her to give a poo poo.



"Whatevs, guys."

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Willa Rogers posted:

Gone with the wind; I assume it was about the Cuomo Bros.?

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Eric Cantonese posted:

It's not like Susan Collins is going to need an abortion soon and I don't think Maine wlll ever go that far right, so I guess there's no reason for her to give a poo poo.



"Whatevs, guys."

When she was running for re-election, she made a huge deal about how she was a moderate pro-choice Republican and promised that she wouldn't vote to confirm anyone who would weaken abortion rights. She's been endorsed by Planned Parenthood and other Pro-choice groups in the past.

She said she was undecided until she spoke with him and was "unequivocally assured" that he would not narrow, trim, weaken, or overturn abortion rights.

quote:

In her Senate floor speech announcing her support for Kavanaugh, Collins said he had “unequivocally assured me that he had not” made any commitments to the White House or any outside groups on how he would rule on cases related to abortion rights.

“As the judge asserted to me, a long-established precedent is not something to be trimmed, narrowed, discarded, or overlooked,” Collins said. “Its roots in the Constitution give the concept of stare decisis greater weight simply because a judge might want to on a whim. In short, his views on honoring precedent would preclude attempts to do by stealth that which one has committed not to do overtly.”

Roberts has pulled back a little bit when he was the deciding vote on abortion issues before (and on Obamacare and the death penalty), so Kavanaugh's announcement isn't a 100% deathblow, but hanging hopes that Roberts and Gorsuch will shut it down because they don't want to damage the institution of the court isn't a strong bet.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Dec 1, 2021

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

I wonder if scotus will split the difference, as they did in PP vs. Casey, leaving it up to the states to regulate but not allowing pre-viability outright bans.

Casey's pet law originally called for spousal notification, e.g., which scotus rejected as unreasonable while keeping most of the other state-level restrictions.

eta:


Oh, lolol; of course he feels that way.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

No post timer anymore?

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Willa Rogers posted:

No post timer anymore?

Oh god hold me back, Willa

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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Government might briefly shut down over the weekend because Republicans are blocking the passage of a continuing resolution to fund the government unless they remove vaccine mandates from federal employees, contractors, and healthcare workers.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1466081086312783874

After the CR gets resolved, they need to do the debt ceiling and NDAA before they can bring up the regular order calendar.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Willa Rogers posted:

No post timer anymore?

My bad, I forgot to apply it. Its on now.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Lib and let die posted:

Oh god hold me back, Willa

Sorry, you have a ways to go to meet the posting levels of VitalSigns, Leon & me. :colbert:

Aside to mods, since the feedback thread has been closed for a month: Have the changes you made helped on the modding end?

Probations have appeared to be less capricious, and more in line with other forums, and the dialogs itt more varied & interesting. I hope that means you're getting fewer reports & accusations of those amorphous sins of "posting in bad faith" & "trolling."

vvv Cool beans; good job!

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Dec 1, 2021

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Willa Rogers posted:

Sorry, you have a ways to go to meet the posting levels of VitalSigns, Leon & me. :colbert:

Aside to mods, since the feedback thread has been closed for a month: Have the changes you made helped on the modding end?

Probations have appeared to be less capricious, and more in line with other forums, and the dialogs itt more varied & interesting. I hope that means you're getting fewer reports & accusations of those amorphous sins of "posting in bad faith" & "trolling."

Off topic but Jeff and Admins are still reviewing. but no Reports continue to flood in, we just do not act as often unless its getting hateful/angry.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

CommieGIR posted:

Off topic but Jeff and Admins are still reviewing. but no Reports continue to flood in, we just do not act as often unless its getting hateful/angry.

Unless it's the_steve and your post is disagreeing with a succ zone poster then it gets probed right away as posting against posters or personal attacks, meanwhile his friends calling others
"
You ally with them on things there's a common ground on. You are literally loving illiterate.
"
is just "heated posting" according to him. So what's happening is many regulars have just stopped bothering to post which is probably the overall goal here as it reduces the "noise"

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Willa Rogers posted:

Former PA Dem. governor William Casey Sr. (sic - you mean Bob Casey Sr.) is grinning in hell that he was the trigger for this. :angel:

Boy, you sure bring up Bob Casey Sr. a lot, certainly the person most responsible for the current assault on abortion rights is a guy who left government 26 years ago and died 21 years ago. Yes, Bob Casey Sr. was a Democrat, yes he was a dick, yes he created a landmark SCOTUS case, but he has literally nothing to do with this issue in 2021 except that he's the only Democrat you can find to blame it on instead of the the party that devotes itself to restricting reproductive rights every day of the year.

Bob Casey stepped down in 1994 and left office in January of 1995. That was a long time ago. When Bob Casey left office, an equally long time ago was friggin' 1969.

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

socialsecurity posted:

Unless it's the_steve and your post is disagreeing with a succ zone poster then it gets probed right away as posting against posters or personal attacks, meanwhile his friends calling others
"
You ally with them on things there's a common ground on. You are literally loving illiterate.
"
is just "heated posting" according to him. So what's happening is many regulars have just stopped bothering to post which is probably the overall goal here as it reduces the "noise"

every time lmao

you want me to go get the stats from the feedback thread again about who loves to capriciously mash punishment buttons? i'm not sure the CE thread is the place to drag it all up, maybe you can start a QCS thread about it though!

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