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Dec 2, 2021 06:50
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The Oilers give up 2 goals with Russell/Barrie playing 26+ minutes lmao Welcome to the Pittsburgh Penguins offensive experience (TM)
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Dec 2, 2021 06:52
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https://twitter.com/SethRorabaugh/status/1466286989892800514 Jeez
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Dec 2, 2021 07:19
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The Oilers absolutely did not deserve to win this game over the Penguins.
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Dec 2, 2021 08:03
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Mike McKenna has a neat piece about what leads to players asking for trades
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Dec 2, 2021 12:15
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Yeah no loving poo poo dude
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Dec 2, 2021 13:13
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The entire core of the team is just bad and it all needs to be blown up. I was probably being dramatic about it 3-5 years ago during the Hakstol era but the core was arguably even worse then, and yet here we are on December 2nd and the season is pretty much over. They're an 8-13 team in a division that's way too good and the talent isn't there. I had turned the game on after the first and turned it off as soon as it was 3-0. If they haven't, they should really sit down with Giroux and see if it's time to move on. His number will still end up retired. Couturier is locked up but I wouldn't be afraid to move him either if he's willing, because the two of them are the only real constants left from the last decade. It sucks. I don't really blame AV because I don't think there's a coach in the world that could get much more out of them.
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Dec 2, 2021 13:57
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Matthews looks weird without the greasy pornstache, I miss it
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Albino Squirrel posted:The Oilers absolutely did not deserve to win this game over the Penguins. The Penguins generating endless amounts of ok to decent shots and not scoring on as many as you would 'expect' has been their MO this year and then giving up a goal on a pretty horrific defensive breakdown. I really loving wish Sullivan would split up Zucker/Carter/Kapanen. This line does not work. It does not provide offense and it gets scored on significantly more when they're together than apart. It continues to really really really drive me nuts that in years past Sullivan would have tried something different and absolutely loving refuses or to split lines up. Carter sports a 40% gf ratio so far this season. With Jason Zucker it's 15% GF. Kapanen is 65% and with Carter it's 33%. SPLIT THEM UP YOU gently caress YOU CAN'T BE THAT BLIND!!!!!! With that out of the way lets talk Crosby. Holy poo poo  on the ice for 3 goals against bringing his total to 16 goals against in all situations. At 5v5 Crosby has 9 goals against in 11 games (5 for). Looking at rate metrics Crosby is experiencing 3.25 goals against per 60. Worst on the team. Carter is 2nd worst with 3 (SPLIT THAT LINE UP YOU gently caress). With that said through half the 2nd the Pens controlled the majority of the game....except they were handing out breakaways and rush chances like candy. I still maintain Kassian got away with a ridiculously blatant interference to spring McDavid for the 2nd goal, but whatever. If you told me that the Pens doubled up a team on shots and chances I'd say they'd probably have a good chance at winning. As it is lately the conversion rates have not been good. Also for a team that was hoping to have some offense from their defense lol. With Malkin potentially returning in the near future hopefully that forces Sullivan to rethink the lines a bit. Unfortunately it might mean Malkin gets stuck with dogshit combo of Zucker/Kapanen in which case I'll go back to complaining about that. The more I see Sullivan absolutely refuse to juggle the lines or do absolutely anything to add a bit more creativity/speed into the lineup the more likely I think it is that Malkin will look awful between Zucker/Kapanen and they will give up the goals. Carter will get placed between Heinen and Rodrigues (assuming Rust is healthy) down on the '4th' ish line. I think above all else, thought, Friedman should come into the lineup over Ruhwedel to provide some more skating from the back end. I think this team needs some personnel change(s) and very soon otherwise when Boston gets on a roll and some of the teams with games in hand play the Pens are going to sink. If Hextal can pull of the GM JR special (the first time....not the Reaves or JMFJ signing) I think this team could be competitive for this season. But, at present, it's very difficult to see the Penguins being anything more than this really frustrating hot/cold team as their shooting and conversion rate....basically without Sid being 'superstar' caliber or even 'star' caliber it's pretty much GG. Sure Sid generated more shots and chances against McDavid.....who then proceeded to hang up 2 primary assists and be on the ice for a 3rd. Edit: A quick note on the Oilers. I know their missing a bunch of defensemen, but beyond McD and Drai and sometimes Nuge this team isn't very good. I know earlier in the season I said I wasn't a believer and they hadn't played particularly tough comp and after watching them last night I'm even less of a believer right now. Their 'system' is to hope McDavid or Drai does something incredible and it ends in a goal. Which is a decent enough strategy they are that good, but come playoff time they're going to get sunk again by lack of depth and having the rest of the team get curb stomped when McDavid isn't on the ice.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:01
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Been a little while since we did the "I'd like to see the Coyotes stay in Arizona THIS time! Ah, well, nevertheless..." dance https://twitter.com/EricMacramalla/status/1466407509175021572
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Dec 2, 2021 16:14
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DJExile posted:Been a little while since we did the "I'd like to see the Coyotes stay in Arizona THIS time! Ah, well, nevertheless..." dance But Gary Bettman promised!!!
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Dec 2, 2021 16:16
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Why would the seller have an idea what the buyer's plan is
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Dec 2, 2021 16:23
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rex rabidorum vires posted:The Penguins generating endless amounts of ok to decent shots and not scoring on as many as you would 'expect' has been their MO this year and then giving up a goal on a pretty horrific defensive breakdown. they're*
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Dec 2, 2021 16:29
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Didn't the Coyotes submit a proposal to the City of Tempe to build a new arena six weeks ago?
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Dec 2, 2021 17:01
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https://twitter.com/CraigSMorgan/status/1466439653733453825
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Dec 2, 2021 17:21
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Usually the more loudly a business denies claims of a sale, the more likely it is that it's happening.
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Dec 2, 2021 17:22
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I think the problem may be that Arizona isn’t committed to the Coyotes playing in it. I mean, they probably don’t like all the Canadians coming in and taking American hockey player jobs.
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Dec 2, 2021 17:36
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Coyotes indeed aren't moving; they will be called the Aeros when they are in Houston.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Edit: A quick note on the Oilers. I know their missing a bunch of defensemen, but beyond McD and Drai and sometimes Nuge this team isn't very good. I know earlier in the season I said I wasn't a believer and they hadn't played particularly tough comp and after watching them last night I'm even less of a believer right now. Their 'system' is to hope McDavid or Drai does something incredible and it ends in a goal. Which is a decent enough strategy they are that good, but come playoff time they're going to get sunk again by lack of depth and having the rest of the team get curb stomped when McDavid isn't on the ice. Sullivan's stubborn insistence on keeping the same lines despite getting repeated mediocre results is pretty infuriating. He'll keep Guentzel-Crosby-Rust (or some variant thereof) together forever too despite the fact that that lines really not producing a whole lot. Why not try Zucker or Kapanen with Crosby ever? Zucker-Crosby was nice when Zucker first got traded over and then they never tried it again. You know what's gonna happen? Malkin is gonna come back and Sullivan's solution is going to be to plug him into Carter's spot. And then that line will still suck. And yeah, Crosby looks bad. I want to cut him some slack due to missing camp, having covid, etc but if this is what he looks like now they are in trouble. Hopefully this isn't just him aging because if so yikes. I do think they'll probably make the playoffs because their underlying numbers are still solid and the scoring should come around (especially on the PP) as they get Malkin back but it's hard to see them doing anything there with this version of Crosby. And yeah the Oilers did look pretty bad but maybe McDavid and Draisaitl can do an 09 Pens and just carry that team on their back to a cup. I'm pretty sure even that version of the Pens had far superior depth to this Oilers team though. Better d, better bottom six for sure. They didn't score a ton outside of Crosby/Malkin, but they definitely controlled play.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Why would the seller have an idea what the buyer's plan is I think the wording of the tweet is just awkward, the Coyotes aren't "for sale" in the sense of a sign being posted in front of the arena asking for all bids, it sounds like a Houston based investor may have approached the current ownership about buying the club. Also I can't recall exactly but the Coyotes may be bound to Arizona for some period of time going forward as a condition of their lease at the arena they play at, which is why they are looking at "eventually" moving the team. It might be a case of the potential buyer exploring the conditions of the potential sale and what options / timeline they would have to work with.
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https://twitter.com/jmarshfof/status/1466442170446106641?s=20 Suck it LAS 
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Starsfan posted:I think the wording of the tweet is just awkward, the Coyotes aren't "for sale" in the sense of a sign being posted in front of the arena asking for all bids, it sounds like a Houston based investor may have approached the current ownership about buying the club. I thought Glendale was kicking the Coyotes out of their arena at the end of this season, hence the push to find something new?
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Arivia posted:I thought Glendale was kicking the Coyotes out of their arena at the end of this season, hence the push to find something new? oh maybe that was part of the rumored lease negotiations then.. I thought I remembered something about a very favorable lease for the Coyotes being tied into the team staying in Arizona through 2030 or w/e.
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glynnenstein posted:Coyotes indeed aren't moving; they will be called the Aeros when they are in Houston. lol true Just move them and be done with it, it's the choice that makes the most sense (Also put an ahl team back in San Antonio)
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Dec 2, 2021 19:17
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https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1445453055642664960 The Islanders have some work to do. And Vancouver, maybe Extend Benning and get him started on a rebuild
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Ginette Reno posted:And yeah the Oilers did look pretty bad but maybe McDavid and Draisaitl can do an 09 Pens and just carry that team on their back to a cup. I'm pretty sure even that version of the Pens had far superior depth to this Oilers team though. Better d, better bottom six for sure. They didn't score a ton outside of Crosby/Malkin, but they definitely controlled play. The Staal/Kennedy/Cooke line was really good in the 09 playoffs and I don't think the Oilers have anything like that.
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Dec 2, 2021 19:26
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Powershift posted:https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1445453055642664960 I should have picked up on how fraudulent these predictions were when I saw the Avs at the top of the Central. They are a team that cannot be trusted!
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Dec 2, 2021 19:31
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https://twitter.com/SabresPlays/status/1465868640817979398?s=20 Tanev is great. Him and Yanni too.
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Dec 2, 2021 19:40
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https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1466480751579443206?s=20 Chicago GM: So we’ll give you Malcolm Subban Buffalo GM: Great, what do you want for h— Chicago GM: Trade’s faxed
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Ginette Reno posted:And yeah the Oilers did look pretty bad but maybe McDavid and Draisaitl can do an 09 Pens and just carry that team on their back to a cup. I'm pretty sure even that version of the Pens had far superior depth to this Oilers team though. Better d, better bottom six for sure. They didn't score a ton outside of Crosby/Malkin, but they definitely controlled play. That's a great way to view it and definitely could be a successful strategy for the Oilers in the near term. I think outside of the times when McDavid/Drai the Oilers don't seem like they have the necessary players to clog it up and create super low event hockey until the lines rotate back around. This is something Calgary impressed me with though. Gaudreau isn't McDavid level, but Sutter seems to have that team setup to do the above. Grind teams into paste then Johnny comes out and all of a sudden it becomes a bit end to end. Sid's underlying's are mostly fine. Idk he just doesn't quite seem there. I'm used to seeing him battle for nearly everything and for the 2nd Oilers goal he just kinda takes a whack at it and gives up...where Sid of the past might have kept going? The insistence on the lines is driving me absolutely loving bonkers. Jason Zucker is, at present, the 3rd highest paid Penguin forward. Zucker has 9 points in 23 games. With the Pens he's fallen from 2.5 pts/60 in all situations and ~2 pts/60 to 1.8 and 1.5 all situations pts/60 and 1.5 - 1.3 pts/60 5v5. His first burst with the Pens where he was with Sid and getting powerplay time he was about where he has always been with Minny. Of LWs making between 5 and 6 million Zucker is 15 of 18 in pts/gm. Jason has 1 more point than Lucic with 3.5 more minutes of play a night. Of all forwards in the 5 to 6 million bracket Zucker is 50th. Defensive side isn't much better. Marino ranks 17th of pts/gme of defenseman being paid between 4 and 5.25 million a year. Matheson 21st. Pettersson and Dumo lower. Now Pettersson and Dumo aren't being paid to 'win' games by their offense and of course there's plenty of bias from me here too. Matheson though was supposed to be the 'offensive dynamo' and while his rate metrics are solid (1 pt per 60 at 5v5) he hasn't had a point in 7 straight. Marino at least is more consistent, but with 4 in 4 to start the season...it's 6 in the last 19...2 of which were in the rout of Montreal. If the Penguins are looking to be successful they're going to have to get significantly better value out of their $$$$$ than this. This can be achieved either through attempting to change the lines and and/or provide Zucker with some kind of opportunity to succeed. Otherwise you may as well ship him off for a bag of pucks. The defense we've been over a zillion times. It is becoming increasingly frustrating to watch the results pile up over the last 2 seasons+ and absolutely zero attempt to adjust or change loving anything with the forward lines. I wonder if inside the Pens org they do the same thing I had been....log into Nat stat. Sort by xG. Looks good teams fine! That said Mark Friedman has 4 points in 11 games playing 14 minutes a night. Ruhwedel has 1 in 19 with 15:30. My team isn't scoring who should I put in? Dominik Simon? I love him. I do. He's a great capable little hockey man. 17 games 4 points. 1.19 points per 60 5v5....which is more than Sid and just behind Jeff Carter! Drew O'Conner? 5 points in his 12 games. Has 5 in 5 with WBS. On a per 60 basis Heinen has outperformed both Kapanen and Zucker. Mired on the 4th line playing 10:30 a night. Which speaking. I rag on Kapanen a ton. 'But Rex he's putting up points!' I hear you say. Yeah at 5v5 Kapanen is putting up 1.57 points per 60. Even with Zucker going off the age cliff and being a bad fit or whatever he's averaging 1.35 pts/60. Yeah 'awesome' Kasper Kapanen is barely putting 1 more point over 300 minutes than dogshit Jason Zucker. As a final 'lol' for myself. Daniel Sprong is currently putting up as many points per 60 (at 5v5) as Kasperi Kapanen. Lol. Lmao.
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I think it rocks but it's still mystifying to me how frequently it seems like NHL teams have to pull some guy off the street to be a backup goalie.
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Levitate posted:I think that's something coaches fall into a lot, especially if they're been there awhile and the players have been there awhile...they want to "give the players a chance to play out of it" and will sometimes stick with a lineup for far too long because "it used to work" Probably a big part of it. It's kind of unfortunate to see Sullivan fall into the same habit. A big part of Sullivan and the Pens being successful was giving players a chance to succeed. Sheary, Rust, and Guentzel being brought up to the big club was as important to Pittsburgh's back to back as the Daley/Bonino/Hagelin trades. It just strikes me as odd that these lines are so set in stone and anyone watching can see it is not working. This is also an org that traded away an extremely productive offensive player for nebulous attitude reasons and then doubled down on that by spending even more assets to acquire a player that doesn't fit their system at all. Like I can't be the only idiot looking at these numbers and outcomes on extremely publicly available sources and coming to these conclusions right? Idk it's kinda baffling.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:If the Penguins are looking to be successful they're going to have to get significantly better value out of their $$$$$ than this. Sullivan's a big process guy so I can see why he'd stubbornly stick with his lines to the end because the Pens' underlying metrics as a whole continue to look fine. It's still rather frustrating when they're struggling this hard to score. I get liking the process and all that and thinking that things will eventually turn but a short term change of things might spark something offensively. And if it doesn't, you're no worse off than you had been. Koopa Kid posted:It’s just a 4 game streak, the Leafs will be back at the bottom by next week Pfft. The Pens' offensive ineptitude runs deep this year. e:  Sportsnet really going for it Ginette Reno fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/markscheig/status/1466483344473042949 The Stars are actually quite notorious (amongst their fanbase) for losing to no name callups from the AHL. It part of their innate starsing nature. They'll put up 40 shots on Ottawa and never even sniff a goal, and then the next game they'll score 6 goals on 15 shots. Everything has been going the Stars' way the last few weeks so I absolutely expect a blowout loss tonight as a return to balance.
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