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Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Important metachat question: is it a circlejerk if it's just two of them?

The left is in a no win bind with American electoralism. The best we can do is try to position ourselves to succeed in local balkanization and defeat the attempted uprising of neofuedal fascist warlords.

We can't appeal to the rich, because they are the ones loving us. That leaves everyone else. But if you try to appeal to non rich Republican voters you'll be framed as supporting the most hardcore fascist opinions among them and derided by the rich lib media and lose the well meaning but dumb lib supporters you need to win. If you try to appeal to non voters you might succeed for a while. But ultimately the greater party machinery will ensure you never get to enact your agenda and seek to bully you into various bad votes.

The problem is not that it's hard to elect a third party or primary a Dem, it's that it's impossible to do it at the scale needed to do what needs done in the time frame that it MUST be done, or even in the time frame needed to establish political bona fides. And of course wreckers like Sinema will be constantly trying to worm their way in and undermine you for a payout.

Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 3, 2021

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Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Voting is fine if you're into it but wearing the "I Voted!" sticker is for absolute sickos

It's been discussed to death on various iterations of the r/relationships thread but people who force others, like the general public or their family members at a holiday meal, to participate in their fetish by proximity/observation are bad.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
It comes up there a lot because it has such relevance to all current events. But there's a big group of posters who don't post actual arguments here or post here at all.

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