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The end game is to make the rich richer. C'mon no one wants this poo poo but shareholders and people looking to cash in on complete idiot techbros before this bubble finally collapses.
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Hub Cat posted:lol This is just Kickstarter again, except instead of getting Bloodstained and Hollow Knight, you get nothing, ever.
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Anora posted:This is just Kickstarter again, except instead of getting Bloodstained and Hollow Knight, you get nothing, ever. Yes, and it is hilarious every single time. I just mentally replace "we are making an mmo" with "we will make you 14 again" because its what they want and both are equally likely to happen.
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Anora posted:This is just Kickstarter again, except instead of getting Bloodstained and Hollow Knight, you get nothing, ever. Quite literally a tweet from the last couple of pages.
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Crossposting this from somewhere, I think the Industry thread. He was among other things basically one of the architects behind Valve's economy Yanis Varoufakis on Crypto & the Left, and Techno-Feudalism Yanis Varoufakis posted:Do I think that NFTs have subversive potential? Let’s see. In a digital environment, NFTs are like all other commodities. They reflect the triumph of exchange value (with which capitalism trounced experiential or use value) within a metaverse (Valve-like or Zuckerberg-style). In that sense, NFTs offer nothing new within digital worlds, except perhaps that they turbocharge the ideology of capitalism (exchange value rules supreme). In the analogue world, NFTs have value only to the extent that bragging rights offer utility to those who care for them. Even though in so doing, they force outfits like Sotheby’s and Christie’s (which used to monopolise the trade in bragging rights) to change their ways, NFTs in no way subverts the structure of property rights creating and underpinning the oligarchy’s exorbitant power over the many.
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It happened about a month ago but Peter Molyneux apparently raised like $54 million to make an NFT game and I can't think of any way more succinct to describe what marks crypto "investors" are than that
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Jan 28, 2022 19:23
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More accurately he raised $54 million worth of crypto selling digital land plots in his game which he may or may not have been actually able to cash out at that value.
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Jan 28, 2022 19:26
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The notion of keeping records on the blockchain has repeatedly been pointed out as one of the worst ideas imaginable. Things To Imagine On A Public Ledger Forever: -medical records -legal records -being doxxed -previous identities/deadnames -your nude photos
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:The notion of keeping records on the blockchain has repeatedly been pointed out as one of the worst ideas imaginable. - Breaches of IP law (love 2 copy-paste entire books on the blockchain) - revenge porn - literally any kind of national security information put there by spiteful ex-NSA employees
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Deltasquid posted:- Breaches of IP law (love 2 copy-paste entire books on the blockchain) Revenge porn is abhorrent, but other than that it's true you do bring up some great points on why NFTs can be good.
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Zarf, maker of some great text adventures and the guy who transformed Mafia into Werewolf, with a good short essay on the dystopic gamer culture implications of pay to earn https://blog.zarfhome.com/2022/01/play-to-harass-to-earn.html
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https://twitter.com/natethenate/status/1487512103925678080
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Chalk up another publisher https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1488130964849049600 https://twitter.com/eurogamer/status/1488149966170300416 https://twitter.com/AggroCrabGames/status/1488224784760459266
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Aggro Crab best crab.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7MaoD4tJuc fuckin love this poo poo
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Barreft posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7MaoD4tJuc Lol. Crypto and streamer culture were a match made in heaven.
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Barreft posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7MaoD4tJuc So let me get this striaght: a guy with a history of scamming, said on video that he wanted to make a crypto coin to scam people, then proceeded to make said crypto coin, and people that bought in are surprised they got scammed?
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is that the guy with the csgo gun skin gambling website that never actually paid out?
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I think the real interesting part there is him taking advantage of the skeptics and using them to launder his reputation. By directly appealing to his presumed worst critics he was able to leverage unearned credibility and use that to pull off his scam, he quite literally wouldn't have been able to do it without them. I think there is a lesson there and another good reminder that nobody is immune to propaganda Philman posted:is that the guy with the csgo gun skin gambling website that never actually paid out? Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Anyways Team17 pulled their NFT project lol https://twitter.com/Team17/status/1488618187109408780?t=2URNfvVlj4QzAbUO6stQdg&s=19
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Hold on, maybe this NFT bro is right! https://twitter.com/tomsky/status/1488627736381902852
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the luddites smashed machines that were often being installed for the express purpose of firing or forcibly lowering the wages of a highly skilled workforce with no social safety net and very few other options for employment.
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Ghostlight posted:the luddites smashed machines that were often being installed for the express purpose of firing or forcibly lowering the wages of a highly skilled workforce with no social safety net and very few other options for employment. 'The luddites were right' was one of the craziest things I learned. They didn't hate technology, they just didn't want the machines to replace labor because the workers didn't own them.
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The luddites should have smashed capitalists instead of smashing machines. In a sane world inventing a machine that means you don't have to work anymore would be a good thing.
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Maybe I'm late to the party, but this Axie Infinity game is an absolutely insane scam, and I say that on top of the already insane scam that is everything crypto. They actually realized the the "pay-to-earn" and "we own what we collect in the game, for real man" concept that NFTs in gaming evangelists keep spouting to unsurprising results. You buy a team of Pokemon NFTs using crypto and can battle them or whatever to earn a token that can be traded on exchanges or used in the game. Since the game is hot garbage, this creates two classes of people "playing" it - those who are at the top of pyramid scheme and idiots who joined in to "invest" into it (of course, nobody is playing the game for real). Axie Infinity's real innovation, though, is that in addition to the two usual crypto suspects listed above, you can have somebody else play your team (a "scholar" on a "scholarship") and take a portion of the tokens earned in gameplay - a brand-new indentured servant type model on the crypto game. Of course, nobody is playing this game for fun, so all of the "scholars" are people from the Philippines or Argentina where the money earned from the token can cover living expenses. So now you have some kind of weird virtual colonial hellhole, which is terrible in itself, but only wild speculation from morons is keeping the prices of these tokens afloat. Again, nobody is playing this game for fun (and hence spend money on it), so it only goes as far as the pyramid scheme can hobble along before it topples, which is what is happening now, and the price of everything falls the floor. This is the endgame for all crypto games - yeah, you "own" it or whatever, but it's absolutely worthless, because there's zero innovation that NFTs can offer gaming beyond what centralized exchanges (like the Diablo 3 real money auction house or Steam trading), which have had absolutely mixed results. Nobody is gaining any value from actually playing the game, so it's a zero-sum game where your profit depends on where you entered the scheme.
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Oh yeah I learned about Axie Infinity from the Line Goes Up video which devotes a whole chapter to it as a case study of the play-to-earn scam. There's a bit at the end of the segment where he shows a tweet by one of the Axie Infinity pit-bosses basically cracking the whip at her players to make their quota and it was pretty loving grim.
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Axie's token (SLP) is worthless. The top mark of the graph is $0.3642 and the current price is $0.009452. Checking the reddit for Axie you can see posts like these as well. 
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Another important detail: the currency you earn by paying is called Small Love Potions. The only use of SLP is spending a chunk to breed two of your pokemans together and create a new one. Selling that new axie to a new prospective player / whip-cracker is the only way new realmoney actually enters the system. So the price of the SLP that these Pinoy goldfarmers are paid in can only stay stable if there are constant new realmoney buy-ins from new players -- exponential growth. Much like an IRL ponzi scheme, old investors are only paid with the money from new investors buying in, so the second it stops growing exponentially the profits dry up and it collapses.
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Phetz posted:Oh yeah I learned about Axie Infinity from the Line Goes Up video which devotes a whole chapter to it as a case study of the play-to-earn scam. There's a bit at the end of the segment where he shows a tweet by one of the Axie Infinity pit-bosses basically cracking the whip at her players to make their quota and it was pretty loving grim. I want to link that part because drat also, lol his response to the "pit boss" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g&t=6328s
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enn-eff-tee just rolls of the tongue so nicely. It can't be bad. edit to add: the greatest thing NFTs contributed is the word "fungible" into the general vernacular.
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Gamestop continues its NFT plans by partnering with Immutable: https://twitter.com/Immutable/status/1489209166010847232?s=20&t=bEOWHS5Mz3RRExHLOYpNqg
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NFTs make me sad that's all
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Odd Wilson posted:NFTs make me sad Could I interest you in a €500 link to a JPG of homeopathic pills for sadness?
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Checking in on Web3 sounds like everything is going great Mark Zuckerberg’s ‘metaverse’ business lost more than $10 billion last year, and the losses keep growing How Facebook Is Morphing Into Meta NYT posted:Many employees showed their enthusiasm using heart emojis. But in one private chat for engineers, which was reviewed by The Times, one employee wrote: “Who is the elephant in the room who is going to ask how all of it works? Not it.”  Mr. Zuckerberg showed off his idea of the metaverse in October, with his digital avatar playing cards with the avatars of others — plus a robot — in the virtual world Seems like every throw money at the problem to "find the fun/product" process-less horror story I've ever heard Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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Hub Cat posted:Checking in on Web3 sounds like everything is going great Its just Second Life and Playstation Home all over again, except Metaverse also needs an expensive VR headset. Oh, and it will steal as much personal data as it can.
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Having spent the last month playing VRChat: Why the gently caress do I need a worse version of that? One that can, will, and I may not even need to interface with to steal my data?
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PlayStation Home was released back in 2008. It's just amazing that FB are trying so hard to make the VR metaverse at thing.
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kliras posted:PlayStation Home was released back in 2008. It's just amazing that FB are trying so hard to make the VR metaverse at thing. I still wouldn't doubt it being a success. People are loving stupid. Musk is the richest person ever in history. Humans are just dumb as poo poo and we'll never evolve past it. Luckily we're doing our best to make ourselves extinct.
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Second Life at least had the courage to be wildly chaotically stupid and weird. There is no chance Meta is going to allow Zuckerberg to be attacked by a bunch of flying dicks and for that, it belongs in the garbage Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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Hub Cat posted:
But Tabletop Simulator already has VR support.
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