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The only problem with half of the movie being a romcom between Tom Hardy and himself is that its only half of the movie.
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I do love how they play up the comedic elements of a romcom between a man and his manic pixie alien symbiote, and how every character comes to treat Venom as their own person. I don't think it's an angle you see much even with the comics but it's fun as heck.
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I loved when Anne had just ferried Venom across the city in her own body again, and had that little moment of "I'm never doing that again btw... well...(considers what she just said, fiance gives her the side-eye)... What? It's really fun, OK?!" Also I like that the brain eating isn't just a "evil alien eats brains" trope in this case, you can kind of understand why he can't survive without doing it because of the nature of a symbiote. They are a collection of identical individual cells that communicate as one, and without that communication they wouldn't be able to function as a being, because a symbiote ISN'T an organism. They don't HAVE organs. That means that they can't manufacture their own chemicals, so it fits that they'd have to latch onto an actual organism so they can hijack their internal organs and make use of some of their internal chemistry. A symbiote has a similar structure to a human brain but more liquid, a collection of cells that communicate and the more cells that form that mass the more intelligent they get, but they can't create their neurotransmitters internally because they don't have glands to do so. So they do what any organism does that can't manufacture a substance internally - they ingest it. If Venom doesn't eat a substantial enough brain, he can't effectively communicate with himself and his mass of cells starts to break down, because a symbiote is a fluid, living brain. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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LesterGroans posted:The only problem with half of the movie being a romcom between Tom Hardy and himself is that its only half of the movie. right if the whole movie had been that it would have owned
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Mar 7, 2022 19:41
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just give Tom Hardy an Odd Couple esque sitcom on Disney+
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't like how Sandman can grow into a big roaring monster in the movies. Can he do that in the comics? Seems to me that his sand/concrete powers should be limited by his mass. Like where if he decides to grow that big then he's less solid and more like a giant sand ghost instead of a Dark Souls boss. there is a lot of concrete in Manhattan, Sandman holds back when he turns into a five-storey monster he could be a five thousand-storey monster
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Man, this was mediocre. Nostalgia doesn't work as a substitute for substance, but apparently it does because this made all the money and got me to see it thinking it might be good. Having seen all the live action movies from rami on down I still stand by the opinion that no one has nailed it yet. Meanwhile, the 90s series and the spider verse film were both pretty on the money. The throwaway line about a black spidey in this movie felt particularly lame.. He exists and is incredibly popular.. Keeping to a wink at the audience was pretty weak. I don't have a Playstation but it seems like the game on that also nails it in a way these live action versions don't. As an aside it's kinda wild that they have no real internal communication between projects like I'd expect for a serialized universe. It's like some mcu committee just sent over a email that just said "multiverse" and various things like this and loki all came up with thier own reasoning for it instead of a cohesive narrative. At first I thought it was to keep people not also watching the TV properties in the loop but that's clearly not the case with the post credits strange/Wanda trailer dialouge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K7UAYj-v0M Main thing I got from this was I guess Foxx/Garfield and Molina/Maguire were on set together for their reunion scenes after all. Was convinced Molina and Foxx filmed everything they did apartment scene onwards on their own, but I guess not.
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Jesus christ. There was no loving way I was going to sit in a theatre for the DeltaOmicron wave of COVID so I've been avoiding as much poo poo about this movie as possible aside from knowing it was the cartoon meme come to life and that maybe something happens to spider-relatives or spider-friends somehow. I *finally* bought a copy to stream and while I enjoyed it I wasn't all that jazzed. So all the little interactions and jokes and nods were just fun. Garfield going No Big Deal, Toby having a back problem, Strange being a loving idiot and not talking through exactly what the parameters of this huge spell should be. Fun! And I like that Mj and Pete were in a cute relationship and that they worked well together. Then the back half is complete Parker Luck misery porn and it just does not work for my conception of what Holland's Spiderling was about. I get the criticism that he's Iron Boy, essentially had resources at his disposal that made the comic-poverty not as much of a dead weight, etc etc. I *loved* that Homecoming placed Parker in a place where social capital was the factor that made him on the outs, that he could be talented and kind and still draw the short end of the stick because he was a dweeb and had reservations about his place in this prestigious school. I like that he had this resourcefulness in salvaging old technology and then was given the world's biggest black check for cool tech poo poo. So that's all gone and we have Comic Parker with no cash, but content with his low-level fighting stuff and in the iconic duds. Not even some cute nod to Peter Parker being an Unperson by having himself go around as Ben Riley or anything. Meh. We don't even get a satisfying resolution out of the Mysterio cliffhanger reveal at the end of FFH.
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We do get an ending to the mysterio cliffhanger . His life was ruined and he lost everyone. But he gonna be spider man.
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https://twitter.com/ign/status/1504336962072817664?s=21 It’s so stupid how insanely bungled this IP is, just an unreal amount of greed on every side.
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It’s a streaming licensing deal, seems like everyone was the appropriate amount of greedy and the Spider-Man franchise isn’t “bungled” by this. Come on dude lol
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No, Spider-Man’s movies should just all be on Disney+, then not being on Disney+ where most people would actually see them and watch them is very stupid. We almost didn’t have Spider-Man in the MCU at all, that’s how close SONY and Disney came to loving this up. Corporate greed bad, actually.
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Mar 17, 2022 14:17
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Oh no, the glorious MCU!!!
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Euphoria’s Sydney Sweeney is getting added to the Madame Web cast so I’m thinking either Spider-Gwen gets her own movie or they are adding Gwen Stacy to Holland’s timeline as his post-MJ romance.
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/ign/status/1504336962072817664?s=21 So where is it going, so I don’t have to click?
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The_Doctor posted:So where is it going, so I don’t have to click?
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lmao, whatever steaming service you were thinking, it definitely wasn’t that!
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I thought maybe Sony owned Starz - why else would their moves show up there? - but apparently that's not the case... They signed a nine-year deal back in 2013 for Sony movies to show up on Starz, but Sony reached a new deal with Netflix for Sony films to stream there beginning in 2022. So I guess because No Way Home came out in 2021 it's stuck with Starz. loving Starz!
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Bruce Campbell once said that Starz wanted to use "Ash vs. Evil Dead" to "put themselves on the map" but all that happened is that it was one of the top pirated shows around and when it got to Netflix everyone said "hey great show! When are you doing another season?!?!?" after completely ignoring it for 3 years.
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Everyone trying to create their own streaming service instead of leasing their IPs out to Netflix and Amazon is probably going to end up being a bigger dot com bubble blow out than the early 2000s. Quibi alone was such an INSANE scam and took thousands of people for a huge ride.
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Getting rid of the tech suit and injecting some weight and tragedy into this version of Peter's life was one of the best things this film did imo. I think misery porn is a little extreme as a descriptor, it has dark and sad moments sure, but plenty of light and fun moments too. If it's misery porn then so is Bambi or The Land Before Time.
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In the UK, Starz is part of Disney+ but I do not see the Spider-man films on it.
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I think that's Star in the UK which is on Disney +. Starz is something else, there's a Starzplay add-on to UK Amazon Prime.
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Mar 17, 2022 16:48
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Media monopolies are bad except when something I want to watch is on something I don't have.
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Media monopolies are bad. But so is the current trend of every media producer creating their own premium service with horribly inflated subscription costs. ' More than one thing can be bad.
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Svensken posted:Media monopolies are bad. Starz is a nearly 30 year old premium cable channel.
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live with fruit posted:Starz is a nearly 30 year old premium cable channel. LoL they’ve been around as long as HBO and nobody has ever heard of them or knows they exist or what shows it has. Lotta Ray Donovan and Banshee fans getting AMPED for Spoder-Man
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Bust Rodd posted:LoL they’ve been around as long as HBO and nobody has ever heard of them or knows they exist or what shows it has. Lotta Ray Donovan and Banshee fans getting AMPED for Spoder-Man Outlander and Power are pretty popular. Of course, I think most people watch Outlander on Netflix, but still.
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Watched this last night. Was alright. A lot of the same complaints and praises as the other two Holland spiderman movies. I really liked the ending though
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Sony/Marvel Studios putting Tom Hardy Venom into the MCU only to immediately yank him back out of it is the most I've felt personally attacked by a movie in a long time. Movie was good otherwise, I agree with the people who said that Tom Holland Spider-Man needed a little more tragedy in his life even if he gets done a little too dirty when this film wraps up. Also I love the implication that Toby Mac Peter Parker is still doing the Spider-Man thing well into his 40s. Now that's career stability! 
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The post-credits scene does a lot to fix the nagging quibble of "It should have been the Sinister Six but there were only 5!"
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C-Euro posted:Also I love the implication that Toby Mac Peter Parker is still doing the Spider-Man thing well into his 40s. Now that's career stability! Do the comics get into Boomer Spider Man much?
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Mymla posted:Do the comics get into Boomer Spider Man much? No idea, but I'd read a story about a middle-aged Spider-Man trying to keep it all together. Enough high school/college drama, give me something I can relate to. Also I just realized that Norman Osbourne comes into this movie from a pre-9/11 New York lol. No wonder he went crazy.
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Mymla posted:Do the comics get into Boomer Spider Man much? There's also the one with the cool jacket known as Last Stand Spiderman
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I mean Spider-Man just is a boomer, that’s his generation, but if you mean “do we ever see Spider-Man in his 40s or 50s with kids and stuff” the answer is “sooooorta” basically every time one of Spider-Man’s books goes on long enough that we’d start getting there, that’s typically when the stories refresh and reset the timelines. The best version of that Spider-Man is old Pete from Spider-verse, but he’s only, like, 35 in that movie I think. But there are quite a lot of one-ofs and what ifs about how spider-man would age/grow old/die and he essentially is just a really smart, handsome, totally jacked silver fox who remains at meta-human levels well into his 120s-130s. AFAIK there was never a “Death of Spider-Man” arc that wasn’t a what if or retconned out of existence, but I’m only one guy and haven’t read literally every Spider-Man comic
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Bust Rodd posted:LoL they’ve been around as long as HBO and nobody has ever heard of them or knows they exist or what shows it has. Lotta Ray Donovan and Banshee fans getting AMPED for Spoder-Man I was thinking the 3rd season of Twin Peaks was on Starz, but no, that was Showtime... I don't think I've ever watched any Starz original programming.
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Breadallelogram posted:I was thinking the 3rd season of Twin Peaks was on Starz, but no, that was Showtime... I don't think I've ever watched any Starz original programming. Stop what you're doing and watch Spartacus
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Mymla posted:Do the comics get into Boomer Spider Man much? Theres Spider Man: Reign which is a Dark Knight Returns older spider-man but it kinda sucks.
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Bust Rodd posted:I mean Spider-Man just is a boomer, that’s his generation, but if you mean “do we ever see Spider-Man in his 40s or 50s with kids and stuff” the answer is “sooooorta” basically every time one of Spider-Man’s books goes on long enough that we’d start getting there, that’s typically when the stories refresh and reset the timelines. The best version of that Spider-Man is old Pete from Spider-verse, but he’s only, like, 35 in that movie I think. I think they tried to do a Dark Knight Returns ripoff featuring a middle-aged Spider-Man who gave MJ cancer with his radioactive spider-jizz, and it sucked loving rocks and they rightly pretend it never happened ^^^yes, spider-man: reign. soz for not reading all the way down
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