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That was cool as hell, thank you!Tomn posted:Honestly the only way this could have been better is if somehow, the two ships actually DID accidentally ram each other. Reading this thread has gotten me off the wagon and back into World of Warships, and there have been a lot of accidental rammings The AI loves running DDs into each other at top speed when the match starts, and yesterday I managed to take out two enemy CVs in one match -- one by filling it with torpedos, and the other by ramming it amidships because I was so focused on the first one I didn't see the second one pop out from behind an island.
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Did that battle have the longest and shortest shots of the tournament? (excluding the matchup between Yamato and Minas Geraes where that was not an organic result)
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Thanks for running this, Bewbies. It was fun to see the matchups playout.
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AtomikKrab posted:Basically Yamato needed to be able to hold in that mid range on the belt but since Iowa could out manuever Yamato, Iowa dictated the range Yamato can't control the range given her speed disadvantage unless she dings Iowa up pretty good.
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I was watching the video and kept doing the "I'm sure Yamato can still pull this off!  *says increasingly nervous armchair admiral*"Slaan posted:That was absolutely a clutch win from Iowa and poor captaining by Yamato. If she stayed at range Yamato would have won handily I think the problem was Yamato spent too much time trying to stay at range and Iowa did just slightly more damage over time slowing down Yamato enough for Iowa to get close to deal serious damage.
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I guess as a follow up to my other question, if this is from when Yamato started to turn in the front guns don't look to be aligned with the rears. Was Yamato only using the rears for a big chunk of the fight?
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ilmucche posted:I guess as a follow up to my other question, if this is from when Yamato started to turn in the front guns don't look to be aligned with the rears. Was Yamato only using the rears for a big chunk of the fight? Maybe the rudder breaking while Yamato was opening the range caused it?
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what a finale; what a thread. thanks for all the botes, op
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Hell of a thread man. Nice job!
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Bravo, hopefully the Other Big Final tonight will be halfway as entertaining and fierce a match. Thank you so much for running this!
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glorious finale, great thread, 5ed
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sniper4625 posted:the Other Big Final tonight
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Pierzak posted:Wait what? What did I miss? The Super Bowl
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sniper4625 posted:The Super Bowl
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Pierzak posted:Yes, but I was asking about battleships. I am confused, I was hoping that the super bowl would be as exciting as Iowa v. Yamato here.
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Fantastic LP, bewbies, a lot of fun to follow. Thank you!
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Awesome thread, thanks for making it
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Great thread, was awesome seeing these ships duke it out. The tuba ships now have a special place in my heart.
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I didn't think Iowa would be able to get through Yamato's belt. I was almost right. What an absolutely ridiculous battle that was. I loved it.
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Thank you, bewbies. This tournament has made it vastly more apparent why the Yamato class was built. The failure of all other Japanese battleships to fight their way out of round one or even to win bonus matches highlights why Japan needed a new class of battleship to compete with the old battle lines of America & Britain let alone the new fast battleships. It has also made it clear that the destruction of Yamato by the planes of TF58 was the correct decision. The power, accuracy, and armor of Yamato was no joke. American battleships would have overwhelmed Yamato, but it would likely have caused casualties and damage in excess of the 12 men and 10 planes the air attacks cost. Contravening the notion that TF58 sought excessive glory, leaving Yamato to the battleships of TF54 would have been unnecessary and costly grandstanding.
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Thank you, bewbies! That was an epic concluding battle for a great thread.
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A fantastic finale to a great thread. Echoing everyone else, thanks for running this Bewbies! It's been incredibly fun to follow these matches.
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Very rad, how close it was really shows how both ships are the pinnacles of the class.
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drat, that was something. Two premier ships of their generation, fighting it out at knife range. Great LP. Learned a bit more about naval warfare, and got to see ships go boom.
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drat I would never have thought it would be that physically close of a fight. What a finale, what a thread. Thank you bewbies for this wild wild ride.
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holy god what a battle. crossing the T at 500 meters, what a glorious and fitting end.
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Pierzak posted:table of contents This is brilliant, adding to the first post. Thanks! ilmucche posted:I guess as a follow up to my other question, if this is from when Yamato started to turn in the front guns don't look to be aligned with the rears. Was Yamato only using the rears for a big chunk of the fight? She was using all 9 guns for almost all of the fight, aside from when she got rocked by the hit to the con and at the very end. I think that pic was just when she was in mid-turn and hadn't re-rotated her turrets onto the target.
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There is something utterly bonkers about how the two most advanced battleships in existence start the fight with an incredible 34km sniper shot and end it at Nelsonian ranges. Truly a stunning capstone to the LP. Amazing job, bewbies, this is a tournament for the ages.
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I wouldn't have believed it if there wasn't a video. loving wild fight. I wonder how differently this whole tournament would go if it was a Best of 3 format.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I wouldn't have believed it if there wasn't a video. loving wild fight. I wonder how differently this whole tournament would go if it was a Best of 3 format. If the North Carolina ran again I would have mutinied.
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Excellent thread, thank you. I now appreciate what an ogre the Yamato was, and battleship design of non-German continental powers.
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The only downside to the Iowa winning is that we'll never get to see a Richelieu vs. Iowa loser's bracket finale
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I want to see ironclad battleships for their insanity, but I don't know what I could do to make this flamboyantly italian piece of poo poo in the game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia-class_ironclad
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No belt armour... seventeen inch guns... in 1876... After all, nobody will be able to hit us at our blistering high speed of 18 knots, so why would we need armour?
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From what I remember, the school of thinking here was “the majority of damage done by solid shot is the spallation cone generated when it bashes through the armor, therefore if we don’t do that, and rely on internal bulkheads to contain explosive shell blasts, we should be all right!” This sounded good until someone actually tested explosive shell against the internal bulkhead system, which utterly failed to hold together against shell blasts.
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Gort posted:No belt armour... seventeen inch guns... in 1876... In fairness, this IS with 1876 fire control!
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I'll probably do a round-robin of The Last of the Armored Cruisers in a week or so. I'd originally intended to do treaty cruisers but the game does not let you build a CA with under 3" of belt armor which puts most designs right out. Rurik - 15 thousand tons, 21 knots, 6" belt, 4 10" guns, 8 8" guns, 20 3" guns, Vickers-built Tennessee - 14.5 thousand tons, 22 knots, 5" belt, 4 10" guns, 16 6" guns, and a beautiful gold-over-white paintjob Tsukuba - 14 thousand tons, 20.5 knots, 7" belt, 4 12" guns, 12 6" guns - essentially a light weight predreadnought battleship on a cruiser hull Bluecher - 16 thousand tons, 25 knots, 7" belt, 8 8.3" guns, 8 6" guns, 16 3" guns, sunk at Dogger Bank by battlecruisers Minotaur - 14.5 thousand tons, 23 knots, 6" belt, 4 9.2" guns, 10 7.5" guns, 16 3" guns. Her sisters were mainly sunk at Jutland but she survived. Edgar Quinet - 14 thousand tons, 23 knots, 6" belt, fourteen 7.5" guns, six funnels, and a vestigial tumblehome San Giorgio - 10.5 thousand tons, 23 knots, 8" belt, 4 10" guns and 8 7.5" guns leaving me with a lot of questions about how they fit so much stuff on so little a ship. They're short legged for cruisers, but still. There are kind of two extremes here - from Edgar Quinet's idea of "what if we had a LOT of medium caliber guns" through Tsukuba's four loving huge guns in a slow package like a light weight predreadnought battleship. Don't be fooled by the armor numbers - those are at the thickest part of the belt and the bows and sterns of these ships are pretty vulnerable to shellfire. Expect a lot of steering and engines to be disabled and the combatants slug it out while not moving. I'm not sure how decisive speed will be in these.
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