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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Who the gently caress is going to vote for something called the Fairness and Truth party.

Who do they consider their core constituency to be.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Crypto and NFTs both operate on mind-boggling levels of completely blatant market abuse and scamming - it's a snakepit of people who all want to get rich quick for no effort defrauding each other all the way down to infinity. Don't be one of the poor suckers who gets drawn into it for fear of missing out and ends up losing their life savings.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
3 pledges will be much quicker and easier to carve onto an Edstone; you people need to stop carping and appreciate the pragmatic simplicity of all this.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Zalakwe posted:

Not even the Guardian seems to have noticed Keith's big relaunch, there is so little content they are just chucking it in with the Covid stuff.

For how long are these speeches going to be: "The Labour Party is out of touch with the country and is not trusted with the public finances." He's been pushing this line for getting on for two years now! I genuinely don't get what the strategy is, unless it really is to keep the party unelectable :confused:

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The fact that he's cast Corbyn out while staunchly defending Blair is a classic example of his instinctive defense of Establishment interests.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Huh, never expected they'd get off. Good news, tho :)

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Zalakwe posted:

Good news everyone! Starmer has blocked the Conservatives every exit - they are now stuck in Government!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/06/starmer-lawyer-johnson-labour-leader-conservatives-prime-minister

So much wishful thinking in the comments below that article lol.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Re: new left-wing party chat, I'd take the example of right-wing politics to explain how it could be super-successful. On the right, the mere existence of first Ukip, then the Reform party with hard Brexit views and a genuine chunk of voter support meant that if the Tories wanted to attract those voters back, they had no choice but to offer a hard-right Brexit to them and it worked: the pressure to the right of the Tories forced them rightwards.

In the same way, a new national left-wing party, with union backing and substantial support among the electorate wouldn't actually need to win a General Election: the mere fact of its existence would force Labour into making significant concessions to the left if it wanted to preserve its own voting bloc. Nigel Farage has never had any significant electoral success in the Uk but is arguably one of the most successful politicians of the 21st century because he pressured the Tory government into doing exactly what he wanted, even without any material Ukip presence in Parliament.The first goal of a new socialist party would be to apply the same pressure from the left and I think that's the strategy that we need to be looking at in the medium term.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I don't think media support is necessary for it to work: think of the huge surge of support for Labour that happened in 2017, despite the entire mainstream media ferociously attacking the left. And as for Labour preferring to remaining staunchly Centrist rather than making any concessions to the left, yes, that's a possible outcome but not necessarily a bad one. Labour can't win without the broad support of the left, so forcing them into a situation where they either have to change or do a PASOK are both good outcomes imo.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Regarde Aduck posted:

i'm sure it's going to be difficult for any new left wing party. Being leftist is the hard mode of politics already. But I kinda feel people are carefully constructing scenarios where nothing works so why bother and it's kinda coming off like learned helplessness. I agree that the chances of a new party getting anywhere in the next decade are slim but I think it's worth a shot. The status quo is obviously not working for us so why not try something? I think it's easy for people not used to dealing with depression to fall into poisonous thought patterns that they don't readily recognise as bad and this is one of those times. We literally have nothing to lose. Left labour is dead and Starmer is trying his best to rush to the right of the tories. Is there a better time for trying a new thing? To inject a little chaos into british politics?

Yeah, exactly: the current situation is poo poo, so why not try something different? I miss the feeling of hope that I had during Corbyn's time as leader and I'd love to have that energy again working with a new left-wing party. You never will get anything better if you start from the premise that all you can ever hope for is more of the same.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Fascinating seeing the pressure building: will it reach that magic tipping point where suddenly everyone rushes at once to ditch him?

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Altho hearing the Defense Secretary bravely vowing to stand up to the Russians with Britain's non-existent capacity to project force abroad is honestly pretty funny, so swings and roundabouts, you know.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Subtitling your book on Hitler "Hubris" is making all the hairs on my neck stand up. As if all his motivations were fine and he just got a bit over confident.

It's intended as a reference to Greek tragedy, I think. That's part 1, "Hubris", that goes up to 1936. Part 2, which presumably would cover 1937 - 45, I'd imagine will be entitled: "Nemesis".

(In Greek tragedy, arrogance and over-reach - Hubris - is inevitably followed by crushing catastrophe for the protaganist - Nemesis.)

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Rory's a strange one: he's smart enough to see that our system is flawed and he has this sense of honour that means he feels like he should be doing something about it, but at the same time he's always been part of that system and can't quite bring himself to let go of it.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Well yeah, most people mostly followed the Covid rules, 'cos it seemed like the right thing to do and harked back to that 'Blitz spirit' thing of everyone pulling together to defeat Germany Covid. Finding out that the people in charge were completely ignoring the rules and laughing at the rest of us for being naive enough to follow them felt like a genuine slap in the face to a lot of people who don't normally follow politics all that closely.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
That's... pretty drat sneaky! No they can respond to any further questions with: "It would be inappropriate to comment while a police investigation is ongoing etc...." and when the whole thing gets dropped in a year, it's old news by then!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
I pretty much agree with that. If Pidcock believes the Labour Party is a dead end, then she should leave the NEC and leave the party. If she believes that it's worth staying to fight on, her duty is to stay in her position and keep working towards the left getting increased leverage in the NEC. Abandoning the NEC but staying in the party just surrenders any power for change that she does have, to no benefit.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Lol at Labour just drifting back down in the polls now: they'll never gain a persistent lead unless they've got a coherent alternative to offer and it's clear by now that's not gonna happen.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
What does the thread think of the Breakthrough Party? I want to start putting some energy into politics again, are they basically ok?

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Going back to office chat, I was talking to our head of facilities last week and he agreed that the 'middle ground' of office space is dead: in future, there'll be snazzy, premium-quality city centre premises for seeing clients and important meetings and cheap, warehouse style places where they want to pack in call centre staff etc. The classic open plan office won't be coming back: my own company has found over the past 2 years that we get on perfectly fine with next to no staff actually onsite and the directors frankly enjoy WFH and avoiding long commutes just as much as the rest of us.

Basically, there's going to be an awful lot of mediocre flats half-arsedly converted from offices hitting the market over the coming years.

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