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Happy New Year everyone, let’s cling to the incredibly unlikely hope that 2022 will be good.
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Lol everyone in this thread is “terminally online”.
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Jan 3, 2022 01:47
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Here’s Stu’s list for anyone interested: https://www.stewartlee.co.uk/2022/01/from-the-metro-lib-elite-desk-of-stewart-lee-january-2022/ E: https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1477992228375121922
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Jan 3, 2022 15:43
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https://twitter.com/allforthanookie/status/1478110193322008578
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Jan 3, 2022 22:40
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Anyone up for another relaunch? https://twitter.com/lbcnews/status/1478132144862113794
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Jan 4, 2022 01:23
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Since when does butter even come in tubs? Tubs are for margarine et al, I’ve only ever seen butter in blocks.
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Jan 4, 2022 10:16
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This is just a necessity for building a winning coalition. Ultimately, Labour has to take popular positions in order to win power. https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1478415947786604553 e: a bit more detail: https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1478417413746184193
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Jan 4, 2022 19:03
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I wouldn't recommend NowTV, and will probably be cancelling it myself when I get around to it. Firstly, since it's based on Sky, the TV, movie and sport sections are all different packages. I don't care about sport, but I'm not paying double just to be able to watch a film sometimes. Also, the actual picture quality is low - you ludicrously have to pay extra for 1080p, the standard is 720p. There is no option for 4K or HDR, unlike other services (presumably this is to push people towards Sky TV). Finally, despite the main reason for subscribing being access to American shows like on HBO (which Sky/NowTV snapped up the exclusive rights to), a lot of those shows are not available at the same time as in the US. For instance, even though it's on NowTV, I'm currently  ing (the excellent) Yellowjackets, because I have to wait the best part of a week after its US broadcast for it to turn up here. I've heard good things about a new HBO show called Station Eleven that started in mid December. It currently isn't on NowTV at all.I used to pirate loads of music back in the day. Now, I just have a subscription to Spotify because it's easy to use and has almost anything I'd want available. When piracy offers a better service than paying, I don't feel guilty about it. e: As for recommendations, Prime has a lot of decent stuff and of course comes with the Amazon benefits. Netflix is probably the most established with the biggest exclusive library, and I would put in a word for Apple TV+ - it's got a lot of super-high budget prestige stuff, plenty of it worth watching, and there are currently a bunch of ways to get very long free trial periods. I think you can still get a free year with a purchase of any Apple product, and 6 months free with a PS5. My LG tv keeps telling me I can get 3 months free (though it seems only if I start a new account). I've been watching it pretty much since it launched and have never paid, and tbh I've watched enough now that I'd consider shelling out when the time comes. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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Jan 5, 2022 15:32
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Lungboy posted:As a one time aspiring archaeologist, Time Team made me extremely angry when I discovered how they worked. It was particularly bad in industrial places but it was true elsewhere that when they were after deeper levels they'd just dig straight through the overlying material with barely a cursory record of any of it. AFAIK this is basically just how archaeology is done. Time Team actually fairly faithfully recreated the circumstances under which most archaeology is done - ie. under a time limit. Most digs happen because someone is building something, they discover something while excavating for it, and then archaeologists are given a very short time to investigate before the building continues.
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Jan 6, 2022 02:40
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https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1479427809139466240 Cool cool cool
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Jan 7, 2022 15:38
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Socialism Throbbing
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Jan 8, 2022 23:05
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The True Posh look down their noses at Waitrose and M&S being for the oiks and shop at Fortnam and Masons or the Selfridges food hall (Harrods food hall is for tourists).
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Jan 9, 2022 15:51
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Alliance for Green Socialism Breakthrough Party Communist League Left Unity Socialist Equality Party Socialist Labour Party Socialist Party of Great Britain Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC) Workers Party of Britain Workers' Revolutionary Party Socialist Party (England and Wales) Socialist Party Scotland Socialist Workers Party Communist Party of Britain Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee) New Communist Party of Britain Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Scottish Republican Socialist Movement Scottish Socialist Party Northern Independence Party Defunct parties: Solidarity RISE – Scotland's Left Alliance Black Unity and Freedom Party Common Wealth Party Democratic Left (Great Britain) Labour Independent Group National Democratic and Labour Party One Love Party People's Justice Party (UK) Pirate Party UK Respect Party Respect Renewal Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1944) Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1978) Wirral Independent Network Democratic Labour Party (UK, 1998) Fellowship Party Independent Labour Network Independent Socialist Party (UK) Labour Union (UK) Left List London Socialist Alliance Manhood Suffrage League Red Front (UK) Red Party Republican Labour Party Scottish Labour Party (1888) Scottish Labour Party (1976) Socialist Green Unity Coalition Socialist People's Party (Furness) Socialist Union (UK) Solidarity (UK) United Socialist Party (UK) British Socialist Party Colne Valley Labour Union Communist Party of Great Britain Jersey Communist Party Appeal Group Committee to Defeat Revisionism, for Communist Unity Communist League (UK, 1932) Communist League of Great Britain Communist Party of Scotland Democratic Left (Great Britain) Fife Socialist League Revolutionary Marxist–Leninist League Workers' Socialist Federation Communist League Workers' Institute of Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought Working People's Party of England International Marxist Group League for Socialist Action (UK) Socialist Unity (UK) Scottish Militant Labour Communist League (UK, 1932) Communist League (UK, 1990) International Socialist Group International Socialist Group (Scotland) Marxist Group (UK) Marxist Party Militant Group Permanent Revolution Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1938) Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1957) Revolutionary Socialist Party (UK) Revolutionary Workers' Party (Trotskyist) Workers' International League (1937) Workers' International League (1985) Workers' Power (UK) Workers' Socialist League Northern Ireland Labour Party Tower Hamlets First Aspire (political party) People's Alliance of Tower Hamlets Independent Labour Party Scottish Socialist Party (1932) Socialist Party of Northern Ireland Socialist Labour Party (UK, 1903) Socialist League (UK, 1885) The Socialist Propaganda League The Social Science Association The Movement for Social Integration I didn't have much to do today! I'm sure there are plenty on there that aren't strictly parties, or aren't really left wing. Also, I'm sure there's loads I've missed. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 15:10
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Rustybear posted:There's a million posts about how the as yet entirely notional Corbyn party can never ever ever sustain a worldwide proletarian revolution but what are the actual downsides today? This isn't about voting, this is about organising. If, in an election, you have the choice of Labour and this new hypothetical Corbyn party, it's true that might not matter much which you choose. But this isn't about that. Setting up a party takes up a huge amount of effort, manpower and money. All that would likely have to be diverted away from efforts to organise within the Labour party, and likely everyone involved would be proscribed and blacklisted from participating in the LP for a long time, if not forever. This means that a lot of the country's finite resource of dedicated activists would now be working on this instead of within the Labour Party, essentially indefinitely. One of the big problems the left has had within Labour is a colossal Generation X-shaped hole. There's a bunch of old boomer lefties, like Jeremy himself, or John McDonnell and Diane Abbott. And there's obviously loads of Millennials (and even Gen Zers now) from the Corbyn movement. But there's almost no one born in the 60s-70s there because the left pretty much abandoned Labour in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. This is a large part of why the party is so hostile now - there's almost no one on the left who is middle aged, which is pretty much the prime of your life in political terms. The issue is that giving up on Labour and starting a new party means losing yet another generation of leaders within it, making Labour even more right wing and solidifying that potentially for many decades. I don't want to debate how likely that can be avoided or if it's impossible for the left to succeed within Labour at all, ever, because we've been over it a million times in this thread. But my point is that setting up a new party is not a "no downsides" concept. There are significant things that can be lost by doing it. If you think it's worth it, fine. But there is significant risk involved.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:57
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forkboy84 posted:And staying in Labour there is no hope, so hey, better to try & fail than accept that nothing can change. And in starting a new party there is no hope, so hey, better to try and build in the Labour Party and fail than accept nothing can change.
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Jan 11, 2022 21:22
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Julio Cruz posted:let us know how that's getting on for you How’s it getting on for the list of parties I posted earlier?
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Jan 11, 2022 22:18
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Julio Cruz posted:the ones who weren't set up by extremely popular sitting MPs, you mean? Which extremely popular MP do you mean? The guy who most of the country has been convinced into thinking is an anti-semitic monster? I love Jeremy but no, I don’t think he’s going to win the country over by sheer force of personality.
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Jan 11, 2022 22:28
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Noxville posted:I’ve been pretty emphatically clear in the past that Labour needs to just loving die because FPTP means they’re squatting on the real estate that a real left/wing party could be occupying. Even if none of the current leftist parties ends up taking that place, anything that cuts off Labour’s oxygen is fine with me. Okay? I didn’t even reply to you, so that’s why I didn’t take your views into account. That said, how does see The New Jeremy Party “cut off Labour’s oxygen” at all? Don’t actually answer that, as I said I don’t want to have this argument as we’ve been over it a million times. My point was that a new party was being presented as being a concept with zero cost to the left associated with it so why not? There is a cost, a big one in my opinion. If you think the cost is worth it, fine. But there is one.
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Jan 11, 2022 22:40
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forkboy84 posted:So it's gone so badly & is a total loving waste of time so you're deflecting to a different question. Nice of you to be so clear. No left party will succeed until Labour dies. Thus Labour must die, because it is not a left party. And gently caress, I don't think it ever really was. Even the incredibly I guess to explicitly answer that question, if you really need the incredible subtleties of what I said explained, I would say “pretty bad at the moment but still closer to actually effecting government than the left in any other party in this country’s history”. I really don’t want to engage with you about this since you get so antagonistic and unpleasant about it, but neither you nor anyone else in this thread was saying that Labour had to die just two and a half years ago. That’s because the impossible that thing that could never happen ever ever was true then, the left held the leadership of the Labour Party. We can do that again, and to make it sustainable once we do, we need to build the infrastructure and leadership internally now so it’s not just weirdo right wingers controlling the party levers.
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Jan 11, 2022 23:08
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Julio Cruz posted:so what is this cost that's so high that it's better to stay in Labour and try to sandpaper down the loving Alps https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989370&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=45#post520628569
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Jan 11, 2022 23:09
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Borrovan posted:Honestly I find it pretty ironic that most of the hostility comes from the people who's preferred option necessarily requires left unity Nothing True Socialists hate more than other socialists.
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Jan 11, 2022 23:28
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Anyway, the relaunch went well: https://twitter.com/leftiestats/status/1480994354433044488
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Jan 11, 2022 23:32
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If a new party is formed, and all the lefties leave for it, what happens? My answer: it does very badly. If it doesn’t crash and burn immediately, it will at least halve the number of socialists in government, and the remaining will slowly lose their seats by attrition, with almost no media coverage, little money, and likely little grassroots enthusiasm after initial excitement turns into limited electoral success. Labour is now completely dominated by the right (this couldn’t have gone more Luke Akehurst’s way if he planned it), and they totally cement every advantage they have. In years to come once the new party has been a disappointment, people will try entryism into Labour again. If they aren’t blocked from getting in at all (likely), and somehow manage to fluke some old lefty hanging on into the leadership again, the ordeal will go even worse than Corbyn’s tenure as there is now even less established left in the Labour Party, and almost no candidates for higher positions because everyone likely is in their early 20s. We should stay in the party because we need to build that establishment so that when we can strike we have an establishment of our own ready to go. No one thought Corbyn could win in 2015, so the entire thing was worked out on the fly for four years. Unfortunately, the environment for encouraging socialism will only get better in the coming years (unfortunately because it’s due to everything getting worse). Millennials are getting older, and able to take these leadership positions. Leaving the party might be cathartic, but it will achieve nothing. I have no interest in selling newspapers and writing magazines for 20 people.
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Jan 12, 2022 03:04
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WhatEvil posted:If the party started with the unions and the SCG breaking away from Labour it could have both money and grassroots support. Certainly moreso than NIP or the Breakthrough party. Yeah, I saw you say this on twitter. This is a pretty ludicrous fantasy. Even assuming the entire SCG split (this won’t happen), would “the unions” follow? The unions are not funding Labour out of a deep-seated commitment to Marxist ideals, they do it to have influence over parliament. They’d fund the Tories if they thought it would work. Also, the unspoken fact about these unions withdrawing funds from Labour is that they also have declining membership and funding and would just like to hold on to their money. On top of all that, removing funds from Labour is a way to get them to move more towards the union’s position, this new party would probably be doing it whether they got the money or not. But even if, say, Unite came along with the new party (a colossal if), that’s still dramatically less money than Labour receives (and they’re facing bankruptcy). The reason Labour was able to attract so much membership and enthusiasm under Corbyn was that it seemed possible that we could take over the party and then the government, and finally pass the policies we need. A new party with maybe a dozen MPs (more likely only one) will not be able to promise that, explicitly or implicitly. There’s no way that hundreds of thousands of members will sign up for that, and stick around for the many, many years a new party would need to grow and establish itself in whatever the best possible case scenario for it would be.
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Jan 12, 2022 12:36
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Boris hasn't been "teflon", he's not immune to scandal. As long as there's a little bit of traction on a story at all, it exists for as long as the press want it to exist. If the press decided they wanted to keep Boris in power, all the front pages would say something different tomorrow, and in a couple of week's time people would wonder how Boris wriggled out of this one. We all saw what happened with Corbyn, a couple of nothing stories were repeated every single day for years until a dedicated anti-racist campaigner became the new Oswald Mosely.
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Jan 12, 2022 18:39
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I feel like most people have seen this, but if you’re interested in flat earth poo poo and haven’t, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44
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Jan 13, 2022 12:51
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Jan 13, 2022 14:37
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https://twitter.com/stavvers/status/1481762529294618627 E: lol beaten
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Jan 14, 2022 00:44
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Jan 14, 2022 13:29
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Disgraceful of the BBC to have Dot Cotton look directly into the camera for twenty minutes and repeatedly tell me to murder and eat my dog. Also, the characters from The Archers are gangstalking me, I can tell because of the daily broadcasts I get from them on my tooth fillings.
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Jan 17, 2022 12:10
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lol https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1483085770223140868
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Looks like we’re keeping Boris for a while then: https://twitter.com/meadwaj/status/1483936199991599107
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A few years ago some American family friends came to visit, after having travelled around a bunch of the UK already. They kept referring to Bath, as in the town, with what they considered the correct pronunciation, being as they’d heard, “baahth”, but in an extremely tortured American accent. I had to explain to them that the town is named after the baths there, and they should just pronounce it however they would say “bath”.
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Still hilarious that Dom Joly went to school with Bin Laden though.
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Jan 22, 2022 13:38
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fuctifino posted:This is rather special: Evangelion and Assassins' Creed combine in... Milton Keynes. Kind of funny that they're that paranoid but no one seems alarmed by the air-raid siren (?) going off in the second video.
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Jan 24, 2022 17:06
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Jan 26, 2022 17:04
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Prole posted:Pidcock resignation is good. But it won't mean anything in the long run. Now, if EVERY LEFT WING MP AND NEC MEMBER resigned at once that might make the news. For a day.
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Jan 26, 2022 19:46
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Jan 28, 2022 15:41
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ThomasPaine posted:For all the problems with it iirc American Beauty was an undeniably good movie Have you watched it recently? I thought it was a masterpiece back when I was a teenager, but seeing it a few years ago it was embarrassingly terrible. I mean you’re supposed to take the plastic bag bit seriously. Also it’s hilariously dated, being about how awful it is to have a well-paying job and nice house and family. And that’s before you get to Kevin Spacey and underage boobs.
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