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Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

hap nyer thred, my new years resolution will be 480p

# ¿ Jan 1, 2022 02:14

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 12:12

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

kingturnip posted:

The number of church-goers in the Tory party who think and act as if being poor is the greatest crime imaginable should be a surprise.
But it's not, because they're Tories.

One of the few good things to come out of tumblr was the phrase "Canon Jesus is better than fandom Jesus."

There are a ton of church christians who are the exact kind of people who if Jesus came back today, he'd be flipping tables and beating them with a whip.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2022 11:07

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Tempest Prognosticator had some good early stuff, but their 3rd album is just a guy playing the theramin in a wind tunnel for 2 hours.

It rules.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2022 13:14

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

What about whatever camera that guy used walking through the train station that made his head look like a giant triangle? It was posted a thread or so ago.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2022 20:34

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Pablo Bluth posted:

The IP is owned by a separate company (I won't link to the Daily Heil article), Club Nook, that appears to be owned by the family.

That loving raccoon has his fingers in everything.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2022 22:32

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Be at peace, citizen. The drone is there for your protection. Friend computer would never hurt you. It is not tangled in your hair. An officer will be dispatched shortly to relieve you of your scalp.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 04:39

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

OwlFancier posted:

I want desperately to know the thoughts of the artist commissioned to "draw the NFT monkeys loving"

I can draw, I've thought about doing some stupid little drawings and listing them; but the whole point is not the drawings, it's the receipt that shows you knew which forums to go to, which twitter accounts to follow, that you had the money and resources to inflate the sales through sock puppet accounts in order to inflate the price and scam* the eventual buyer, and you knew the right places to list. The poo poo jpg of a monkey is almost immaterial at that point.

* NFT bros and libertarians never admit they're scamming people, but making money out of anything like that requires a certain level of duplicity. It's like house flippers. Someone who buys a knackered 200k house, puts up cheap plasterboard and badly installs heated floors can sell it for £260k and is applauded as an entrepeneur. Nobody ever talks about the people who bought it, the people who were lied to out of an extra 60k and are going to be stuck with bills further down the line when the rush job starts to fall apart. No, that money magically appeared out of nowhere as a reward for the clever house flipper.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 15:13

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

NotJustANumber99 posted:

That wint tweet about logging off or got to hand it to them are I guess like legit worth the money

Some people have compared it to the pharma guy who bought the only copy of that Wu Tang album, except if everyone else could still listen to it and stream it or copy it and he just thinks he's the only person who owns it because he paid a ton of money and he says so.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 20:37

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Azza Bamboo posted:

Your guess is right, but I question the idea that my art would be better if I was more diligent during my GCSE years.

I still maintain that the best part of an arts degree is rarely the teaching and resources, and mostly the opportunity to spend 3 years where you don't* have to work, you are supposed to be regularly doing that art thing, and the opportunity to socialise with other people who do that art thing.

* usually

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 21:39

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Azza Bamboo posted:

I don't know, I'm a rube who works in factories not someone with the money or ambition for qualifications lol. To be fair, an art degree might not have changed that.

Oh yeah, I was distracted before typing the 2nd part, which is that the loans are a lot shittier now than when I did it, and also I missed the grants system by a year so there are a lot of people I knew who didn't want debt hanging over them most of their working lives then either.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2022 23:39

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Barry Foster posted:

NFTs are utterly mind boggling to me

Like, at least you can use crypto to buy drugs

NFTs are the logical extension of capitalism applied to that form of money. If crypto is an alternative version of money, then NFTs are the alternative version of the amassing of wealth.

Honestly, the fascinating thing has been watching them discover why all the laws and safeguards were there preventing people from doing the kind of stuff they've been speedrunning their way towards, thinking they're geniuses and that this is in any way sustainable.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Oh I almost forgot, there's also the rampant art theft where they just steal artwork from anyone and everyone and sell it without a hint of shame in a mad attempt to profit on absolutely anything they can get their hands on, and upon being challenged on it their earnest response is that the artist should have done it first. So now anyone who creates art or follows artists is pretty much guaranteed to despise crypto with all their heart.

On this point, as far as I'm aware the only way to 'protect' your art is to list it on the etherium market for sale. So you actually can't protect it, because someone will just buy it from you, and buy it in an 'all rights to it are now mine' kind of way. And the price you set for it is AFAIK based on how much you're able to put up in the first place. So it actually offers gently caress all protection to artists, especially artists who aren't loaded enough to set a high price.

OzyMandrill posted:

Basically, pick the n-digit number that matches the cryptographic hash of the current transactions, where n is adjusted so it takes on average 15 minutes irrespective of the total computing power available.

The important thing is whether the n-number has a hard R or not.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2022 23:12

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

^^^ photoshop the egg in there

Guavanaut posted:

You could have a guinea pig.

*reverently* we have been visited by the godpig

# ¿ Jan 4, 2022 12:51

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Failed Imagineer posted:

Please let's not apply the principles of Radical Sandwich Anarchy to chips. I don't need to be looking at a Pringle and wondering if it's really a roast potato

# ¿ Jan 4, 2022 16:36

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Zalakwe posted:

I don't think there is a clearer example anywhere of middle class opinion haver think than Tony Blair. The commentariat just seem to assume he's revered.

My favourite is when they encounter something like the red wall where the clear answer is "They hate Blair and they hate management cunts like Starmer," and they kind of go "well obviously it couldn't be that, what are those inscrutable northerners thinking?"

# ¿ Jan 4, 2022 20:09

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Worth mentioning if you have prime, you can also read books free via Kindle Unlimited. Authors get compensated from a weird streaming-type model where Amazon throw a huge pot to the authors that gets distributed based on the anount of page reads. You get free books, and some of them are surprisingly recent.

Of all the poo poo Amazon are evil over, their self publishing side is a really, really good deal for authors compared to the traditional markets, and for once it doesn't seem to be union-busting (yet).

# ¿ Jan 5, 2022 15:22

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Have you ever tried to use iPlayer? It's much worse.

E: It's a toss-up between the UKTV Play app and ITV Player for the actual worst. UKTV Play for abysmal useability and ITV Player for absolute dogshit content, though that's more the channel's fault than the app.

E2: Though at least all 3 are free, and UKTV has Dave Gorman.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jan 5, 2022

# ¿ Jan 5, 2022 15:25

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Comrade Fakename posted:

Finally, despite the main reason for subscribing being access to American shows like on HBO (which Sky/NowTV snapped up the exclusive rights to), a lot of those shows are not available at the same time as in the US. For instance, even though it's on NowTV, I'm currently ing (the excellent) Yellowjackets, because I have to wait the best part of a week after its US broadcast for it to turn up here. I've heard good things about a new HBO show called Station Eleven that started in mid December. It currently isn't on NowTV at all.

Shows also just disappear with no warning. I know this is a problem with all streaming platforms, but when we were subscribed ages ago we were watching Elementary, a US modern day Sherlock what-if, where Jonny Lee Miller is surprisingly good as a tattooed Sherlock working for the NYPD after fleeing the UK. Watson (Lucy Liu) and Moriarty (Natalie Dormer) are both gender flipped. It's alright, we were enjoying it, but then we went on to watch it one day and there were just random episodes of the next season and nothing else. Then even those disappeared after a week.

Contacted their twitter support and they said there had been a 'dispute over rights' so they weren't able to show it. In theory I know they can't help these disputes, but it shows that (A) They don't warn customers at all that shows might disappear, and (B) They are poo poo at negotiating streaming rights if the other party can just yank them whenever.

Amazon Prime is even more annoying, because there's random stuff that's free with your Prime subscription, and a huge library of stuff you have to pay again to buy / rent. But the free stuff constantly changes (especially the movies), so you frequently get into a show only to find the later series aren't free, or that they suddenly lose their free status and you now have to pay to keep watching. Our gran has our password and keeps accidentally buying poo poo box sets on my wife's account.

Anyone 'member when Netflix had a 'leaving soon' section?

# ¿ Jan 5, 2022 15:56

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Julio Cruz posted:

lol if you think the CPS aren't champing at the bit to get as many people locked up as possible, regardless of if they actually committed the crime(s) they were charged with

I feel like you've got this the wrong way round. The police are champing at the bit to lock up everyone found to be maliciously in possession of the wrong skin colour and / or political beliefs. The CPS however are loving cowards who won't even look at a case unless there's a video, fingerprints, dna, a full timeline and the accused pleads guilty by saying "I killed her because I'm a complete poo poo" at interview.

There's an obscene amount of rapists and domestic abusers who get let out purely because the CPS regused to charge.

learnincurve posted:

*prime books

kindle unlimited is a separate service that costs £8 but if you try it once you keep getting offered huge discounts on it.

My wife looked into it and I think the difference is that you're allowed to rent multiple books under KU, but you can rent one at a time with Prime. Authors still get paid for their pageviews either way.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2022 20:55

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The number to really look at is the amount of people on ventilators and right now, a month after London's case rates went up almost 200%, the number on ventilators has gone up... 10% (and even that number is with, not of). For comparison it had *quadrupled* by this point in the Alpha wave last winter, and doubled a month after "Freedom day" at the start of the Delta wave, and those were both with far, far lower case rates. This is partly the lower severity of Omicron, but is mostly the result of vaccinations - and London is the least-vaccinated part of the country.

Right, but that kind of thinking is the starting point for the shitheads who extend that to "and that's why we shouldn't lock down, because normal people aren't dying of it."

I'm not saying you're wrong or that you're saying that yourself, just that it's the starting point for a lot of very lovely lines of thought, some of which have been argued in this thread before.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2022 23:29

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

"So you're striking because it's absolutely amoral?"

"No, we're striking because we don't want to be liable for the murders."

Ah, cool. Border force still cunts.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2022 00:08

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

The Question IRL posted:

Them again I felt a similar way when people earlier in the thread were talking about getting Plexes, VPN's and sharing systems to download movies and TV's as opposed to just getting a subscription to Netflix.

I had a netflix subscription, and then a bunch of the stuff I was watching moved to disney+, then hbo launched their own thing, and now if I want to watch the new Star Trek I have to get a paramount+ account that they don't even run in the UK.

I'm not paying £10 each way for five or six streaming services. Everyone was willing to pay when you could get one provider that gave you a decent spread of shows. But as always, they got greedy about it and now people are rediscovering the joys of accidentally downloading the russian overdub.

If they want to get all libertarian about it, this is the invisible hand of the free market regulating itself and telling them to gently caress off.

crispix posted:

yeah this is how i feel having worked for a health trust. so many poo poo for brains senior managers loving up everything they lay eyes on and rewarding themselves greatly for doing so

I've said this before but half the problem is that they recruit everyone management upwards from business schools, which tailor everyone's mindset to maximise profit by cutting corners, reducing budgets and competing with other departments as if they were rival companies.

The NHS could do amazing things with its unique funding structure and service model, but its full of twats bouncing people from department to department so they don't have to 'pay' for it and selling off buildings on PFI to make their annual budget look better.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2022 16:48

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Tsietisin posted:

"Oh" says he, "but noone would have believed you because you're public sector."

It's a weird self reinforcing rationale; they pay for the work because it has value, and the proof that the work is valuable is that it costs so much.

therattle posted:

Totally agree. 15 days at 8 hours a day is 120 hours. For a skilled artist you are talking about an hourly rate of £100, so closer to £12k would be my opening.

I don't really have a strong counterarguments to your point, just a jumble of thoughts and the overall feeling that £100 as an hourly rate seems high for that amount of time.

The argument for most artists having such a seemingly high rate is that you're not just paying for the time spend physically creating, but the hours beforehand thinking about it, the materials and supplies, compensation for fair living costs etc. It's also there to spread the cost because artists will not generally have guaranteed work, so it's to last them between jobs as well if art is their only job.

I can't quite put it into words but the £100 hourly rate seems like it should be used by people who spend days researching and planning, and then the dickhead commissioning it says "But it only took you an hour to draw!" If you're billing someone for 15 hours a day at 8 hours a day then there's no need to hide the labour in such a high hourly rate.

I mean I don't work in computer touching or art and have never worked a higher salary than general admin, but £100 an hour seems kind of excessive when there are people barely making £10 an hour.

Don't get me wrong, the people at the bottom should be making more. Everyone should be compensated fairly for their labour. And I guess in this specific case it sounds like a huge company that can afford it. But as a general rule, I'm not sure about £100 an hour if you're billing someone for 15 hours at 8 hours a day.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2022 15:09

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1479378640324419589?t=OpAZsmOnMwJxOM8nkRRScg&s=19

A good taking apart of the Spectator article on the Colston verdict.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2022 16:43

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Scikar posted:

Let's say this work is to be used as the cornerstone of a marketing campaign which is expected to bring in £500k in revenue per year to this business. She's not providing the entire marketing campaign itself but she is providing a critical component of it. If she doesn't ask for a proportionate slice of that revenue, then the company is going to take that money instead as profit, and she's being exploited.

That makes sense, but then that's where a flat fee with an hourly rate would be a better way of implementing that. I think I'm just picking though because £100 an hour just feels like taking the piss to me.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2022 18:28

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

WhatEvil posted:

Trying to work out the true value of something in an inherently flawed framework of capitalism is like trying to achieve socialism by using the laws and rules set up within the framework of capitalism.

I realise that's not helpful.

No, it is helpful. You're right that the flaw lies in the contradiction between money as a recompense for labour, and money as it exists under the system of capitalism we live under. An artist or master craftsman is going to need money not just to compensate them for their time, but also to live on while they rest between projects and to maintain their standard of living and tools.

The problem is that there's not really an alternative to money in terms of compensation. I always thought that was the big flaw in the 'money but with an expiry date' argument from the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, that it doesn't really leave much space for seasonal work or artists who might only feel inspired infrequently but produce incredible things because of it.

It's also kind of in line with the Ellie Mae O'Hagan tweets above, and how they highlight much of society's belief that not only should hard work be highly rewarded, but also that those who didn't 'work hard enough' don't deserve anything. And how that mindset is used to attack the disabled and welfare users.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2022 23:06

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Jokes on you, i have no job and no money.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2022 23:39

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

bessantj posted:

I was going to ask "what anthem?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwf4Z941jAA

I still think this is one of the most savage musical owns ever inflicted on a country. They slowed down the riff from one of their other songs and discovered this limping, wounded funeral dirge that halfway through you feel like it should just be put out of its misery, and then called it Avalon.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2022 04:07

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Just Another Lurker posted:

I really hope the space stuff works out, but a lot of the rest is iffy.

I hope it doesn't, because if it does he will be absolutely insufferable until he sets up Rapture on Mars (except he is Fontaine and so is everyone else), and then we have to go to war with the Planet of the Libertarians.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2022 18:56

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Goonswarm are absolutely going to side with Musk, we'd be hosed.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2022 19:27

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

The good thing is that saying that, Streeting is going to drain the last of the support from the 'yes but we need to stop the privatisation of the NHS' labour voters.

I'm kidding, nobody actually listens to policy now tHe gRoWn uPs aRe bAcK iN cHaRgE

# ¿ Jan 8, 2022 21:34

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Christ. I want to pay for a music streaming service next year, but according to this, Amazon are currently the service that pay artists the most:

https://twitter.com/MrTomGray/status/1251415657486471175?t=ZKqEO2AMkQbc6N7LslI-iA&s=19

Is that right? Are there any other caveats to keep in mind? The missus wants to get spotify because you can get a couples deal and share playlists, but i'd rather a service that pays artists more. Of course on balance they're all pretty loving shocking but the least I can do is choose the least poo poo option.

And no, I'm not carrying a plex server round in a backpack.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 04:19

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

(Why don't the BB codes for [table] etc work?)

Tables haven't worked since 2004 when I joined, I blame little bobby tables.

Gruffalo Soldier posted:

Here's a 2021 breakdown. It focuses mainly on Spotify but includes the others down the page.

https://freeyourmusic.com/blog/how-much-does-spotify-pay-per-stream

Thanks, seems like Tidal is the least unethical, but wasn't there problems with catalog size & exclusivity when they launched? I like the sound of their royalty system though, in direct opposition to Spotify's bullshit:

quote:

On November 17, TIDAL announced the fan-powered royalties, thanks to which artists can benefit directly from their fans and subscribers. This money-making system is far more transparent for musicians than royalties options offered by other music streaming services.

TIDAL will be the first streaming service to pay artists with the money of subscribers who have actually listened to the artist. Other major music services such as Spotify and Apple Music now aggregate their users' money and give most of it to the artists with the greatest success. As a user, you actually pay musicians you never listened to. Many unions and artists have been criticizing this system for years. It favors stars and leaves little for the smaller musicians.

That is why TIDAL is launched the fan-powered royalties system. In this model, the user pays only the artists to whom he or she listens. This will start in January 2022. "TIDAL is supporting artists with fairer earning terms and quicker payments, and fans are getting a better way to support their favorite artists" said Jesse Dorogusker, Head of TIDAL. What's interesting, fans will be able to see see how much their favorite artists are making from their streams in their activity feed.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 14:21

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Danger - Octopus! posted:

If you care about what else the people running the company do, in terms of ethics, might want to be aware that Spotify's CEO isn't looking great. (although finding a tech firm CEO who isn't in some way horrendous may be a challenge). https://www.rollingstone.co.uk/music/news/spotify-ceo-daniel-ek-criticised-by-artists-for-investing-e100-million-in-ai-tech-6943/

Yeah Trashfuture did an episode on it, and as with so many of tech 'innovations' it boils down to (a) union busting, (b) underpaying gig workers and (c) a wizard will fix it, where (c) is AI that will morally absolve them when it doubles down on (a) & (b) to make them rich.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 14:39

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

John Lewis treat my brother like crap when they were trying to set up Carphone Warehouse stalls in there.

Kept relocating the stall to the back of the bottom floor, away from any footfall. Wouldn't put their signage up in the front windows, wouldn't put their leaflets by the tills. Basically were incredibly hostile to any suggestions that asked them to change their stores at all, and kept saying "That's not the John Lewis way."

The manager was an absolute arsehole who kept reminding my brother that he was a 'guest in their store' and that he would 'respect the real managers here.' He tried going above the guys head to the person who organised the franchise deal because this arsehole was spiking it, but was told by someone at JL to respect the chain of command and then got an extra bollocking from the JL manager, who tried to send him and his staff home, even though he didn't have the authority to fire carphone staff.

The scheme fell through because - surprise surprise - they weren't selling any phones, then blamed Carphone for the whole thing.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 15:26

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

therattle posted:

Because it's infantilising.

Notoriously childlike, those boxers.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 19:25

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I've been trying to wind people up by calling a negative LFT result "neggers"

Randy?

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 19:58

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

we do not kink shame here

# ¿ Jan 9, 2022 23:05

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

In RDR1 I called my horse Steve and then discovered that my (now) friend Steve, entirely independent of this, had given his horse my name despite not knowing me that well at the time.

# ¿ Jan 10, 2022 00:53

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Mourning Due posted:

Ditto with Corbyn. He was a firebrand being forced to act like Keith. If he had his own party, he could drive the national discourse in a much stronger way than he ever could within the confines of Labour. If he cuts the Gordian knot instead of trying to untangle it, we may have a real chance.

I don't think you could really describe Corbyn as a firebrand, and that's always been one of his biggest problems. Where Keith doesn't criticise the government at all, we all remember Corbyn's 'kinder, gentler politics' apparently preventing him from going as hard as he could have during the worst of Osborne and Cameron's bullshit.

Corbyn is a good man trying to do nice things for the country, and his biggest barrier to success is that he will never fully appeal to the spiteful and vindictive mindset of your average Brit. I'm not saying for one second that he should, but I just have in my head the image of a red faced thumb man in Weatherspoons going "Wot, peace and justice party? Woss 'e want peace for, so he can kiss blokes? 'ats fackin gay, love a good war, me. Where's yer fackin poppy?"

What we need is to give John McDonnell a half-brick so he can run up behind that person and [TWITTER BANNABLE CONTENT] them.

Niric posted:

A new left wing party wouldn't have that same simplicity, which would make it much harder to penetrate the public consciousness (even aside from the impact of the media). UKIP could affect the Tories because of the constant rumbling threat of an EU referendum, but a left wing party would have be a specific parliamentary threat.

Another issue is going to be the name and branding. UKIP had that single issue right in the name, and yet the Labour party has managed to be taken over by anti-unionist who want to appeal to the interests of business - I can only assume they want it to mean the "you plebs should labour harder for us" party.

The name branding would have to be as clear in intent as UKIP was to prevent a bunch of wreckers joining, even something like 'the Momentum party' could end up with Akehurst going "We're building momentum... Toward sensible means-tested and business-friendly politics!" Or, "We're reshaping the union party - into a union of left-and-right values demographically selected to test well with red wall voters!"

But the other problem is I can only imagine how absolutely insane the takes would get if Corbyn started any party with the word socialist in the name.

forkboy84 posted:

Just stop donating to them every month with your membership. Encourage your union to do likewise

I think splitting the unions off from Labour is the ultimate goal of the Starmer project. They don't give a poo poo about Labour. They'll bankrupt it to get a free ride and then flip en-masse to the Lib Dems once it's in the grave.

The power the unions have is bilateral. They need a big party backing them to protect striking workers and stopping Priti Patel closing them down as terror cells. But the party that has them is also beholden to their demands so they don't lose their contributions. That's always been the lock, except you have a leadership right now that are openly hostile to the unions and would <starmer>welcome them to leave, but I would go further by urging the unions to spit in my mouth as they leave</starmer>

It's like mutually assured destruction, in that it stops working if one side (the labour right) just goes "Fine, nuke my civilians, I don't give a poo poo."

# ¿ Jan 11, 2022 13:45

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 12:12

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

The joke from the Simpsons about the 'No Luke Akehursts' club.

# ¿ Jan 11, 2022 14:02

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