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Which game was the best?
Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War
Ace Combat 2
Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Legacy
Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies
Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War
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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Not enough Ace Combat footage being observed from within a cockpit. How hard could it be? Crow's been getting a little stiff lately. Be careful not to eject, rejects like you won't have a normal discharge.

Old Man Crow

Punished Crow

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Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I guess you could say that anyone that you kill in this game was.... Triggered :grin:

Is it this

Is this the probation catchphrase for this game

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Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

We'll get to the probation catchphrase. You'll know it when you see it.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Waffleman_ posted:

We'll get to the probation catchphrase. You'll know it when you see it.

Now see that’s the complicated part, because this game’s probation catchphrase functions better as a punishment reason for everyone’s rapsheet, but there’s nothing I can think of that would really… trigger it. Other than people making intentionally assy shitposts to goad the mods into sending them to Solitary.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
I am formulating a probationpocalypse challenge for this thread too, but it won't be deployed until we reach Mission 5 next Thursday, the 13th. I'm going to try to make this one fun.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I said it in the ace combat thread but I'll say it here, too: if anything I'm flattered I got to guest on the tiny little fraction of totally sane missions in this game. It ramps up and never looks back. Even for a moment.


I love this game, even if it didn't land for me like 04 and Zero did. Before anyone asks, I love 5 too, but 4/zero were my go-tos for friggin ever. Pretty sure I have a broken case but a pristine disc for one of em, still.

Also, the probe word should be Dog.


:smith:


Edit: also I think 4/5/zero also landed pretty hard because I was like....13 at the time and. Oh Jesus christ I'm 33 now, I've been playing this franchise for 20 years. Gonna go for a walk...

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Shinjobi fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Jan 4, 2022

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Waffleman_ posted:

We'll get to the probation catchphrase. You'll know it when you see it.

I'm betting on Dumbass

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Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


I never actually followed along with one of crow's LPs despite loving these games, and it's already off to a great start. I never even knew about the guy compiling all the cut content.

Professor Duck
Sep 28, 2018

Curling Injury

nine-gear crow posted:

Now see that’s the complicated part, because this game’s probation catchphrase functions better as a punishment reason for everyone’s rapsheet, but there’s nothing I can think of that would really… trigger it. Other than people making intentionally assy shitposts to goad the mods into sending them to Solitary.

It's not a threat, just an inevitability :shittydog:

I'll shut up about that for now until it actually comes up. Don't wanna be sent there myself.

Professor Duck
Sep 28, 2018

Curling Injury

nine-gear crow posted:

Thank you kindly for that. You guys did a drat good job and were a blast to listen to. Sorry about not posting in your thread, as I was kind of checked out on LPs in general at that time what with being a mod and various other things going on in my life at the time, but I really should have stopped in and shown my support.


For you to say our little rinky-dink operation did well with something means a lot! I get that life comes up hard sometimes, so no sweat there.

nine-gear crow posted:

If you and Dewgy want to join me for some bonus videos or whatever, I'm sure I can find the space to fit you guys in with... something. It seems only fair at this point.

:dogcited:

Let us know if/when you want us, and I'm sure we can make it work!

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Deeters posted:

I never actually followed along with one of crow's LPs despite loving these games, and it's already off to a great start. I never even knew about the guy compiling all the cut content.

Well, if you've got the time we've gone through just about the whole drat series at this point.

As for the dude compiling all the cut content, he seems to have dropped off the grid and hasn't tweeted anything new since October 2021. Though from a datamining perspective, it seems like the game is ripe to bust wide open because a dude who fancies himself some kind of modding anarchist (and who's about as reviled in the AC7 modding community as Arthmoor is in Skyrim's) went and dumped unencrypted files from the whole game the other day--which is amazingly illegal, and good luck to him if Namco decides to sue him--and people are already ripping it apart and digging into poo poo like it's Thanksgiving Dinner at Cracker Barrel or something. Maybe something interesting will come of it, but we'll see.


Professor Duck posted:

:dogcited:

Let us know if/when you want us, and I'm sure we can make it work!

Right now the only 100% free video I've got is VR Mission 3, but we can see about other wacky poo poo too. I was thinking of doing a Mod Showcase video as well. Drop me a PM and we can talk about it over Discord.

Bliss Authority
Jul 6, 2011

I'm not saying it was witches

but it was witches

I can't wait to see new, fresh superweapon nonsense from the good folks at Belkan firm Dahiir Insaat.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

nine-gear crow posted:

I am formulating a probationpocalypse challenge for this thread too, but it won't be deployed until we reach Mission 5 next Thursday, the 13th. I'm going to try to make this one fun.

:unsmigghh:

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
Every probation gets crow +1000 points on his mission score, so he'll S-rank in no time

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Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

yer gonna reach your second, perhaps third page of probations with this one. i can just feel it.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Two-pronged Strategy

Mission 3: Operation Dual Wielder – May 30th, 2019 | NO COMM | BONUS

Overview: The IUN-PKF initiates a two-pronged attacked against Erusean forces in preparation for the liberation of the Internation Space Elevator. While the OFS Kestrel II attacks the Erusean capital of Farbanti, the Fort Grays squadrons will secure air superiority over Chopinburg and then rendezvous the OFS Vulture currently en-route to the elevator. However, Erusea might have a surprise or two of their own waiting for them…



Guest Commentator: I am joined for this mission by the always off-topic Faerie Fortune. Fae has been with me for multiple Ace Combats now, and it has occurred to me that I never once showed her the glory of an Ace Combat super weapon. Well, that changes now for our final outing in the franchise together.

You can catch Fae manning the co-pilot’s seat with past and future guest FPzero in his LP of Metroid Fusion for the Game Boy Advance.





SKELETON SQUADRON
Osean Air Defense Force, 178th Tactical Fighter Squadron (IUN-PKF)
Members:
  • Skeleton 1 – [REDACTED]
  • Skeleton 2 – [REDACTED]
  • Skeleton 3 – [REDACTED]
  • Skeleton 4 – [REDACTED]
AWACS Operator: [REDACTED] “Sky Keeper” [REDACTED]
Squadron Composition: F-16C Fighting Falcon (x4)

A four-plane flight from an IUN-aligned air base in eastern Usea. Skeleton Squadron joined in Operation Dual Wielder under the command of Knocker and AWACS Sky Keeper in an attempt to secure an air route for IUN and Osean forces to reach the International Space Elevator in Gunther Bay, however the entire squadron was wiped out by the AAS-01 Liberty Arsenal Bird.



GARGOYLE SQUADRON
Osean Air Defense Force, 616th Strike Fighter Squadron (IUN-PKF)
Members:
  • Gargoyle 1 – [REDACTED]
  • Gargoyle 2 – [REDACTED]
  • Gargoyle 3 – [REDACTED]
  • Gargoyle 4 – [REDACTED]
AWACS Operator: [REDACTED] “Sky Keeper” [REDACTED]
Squadron Composition: F-14D Super Tomcat (x4)

A four-plane flight from an IUN-aligned air base in eastern Usea. Gargoyle Squadron also joined in Operation Dual Wielder under the command of Knocker and AWACS Sky Keeper. Gargoyle’s flight lead was assigned to escort Golem 2 Brownie out of the combat zone, but was intercepted and shot down by Mister X en route out of the airspace. The surviving members of Gargoyle have been recalled by IUN HQ in preparation for an upcoming special operation at the ISEV.





SCHROEDER
Real Name: Dr. [REDACTED] Schroeder
Callsign(s): Dr. Warcrimes
Age: Late 30s
Sex: Male
Nationality: [REDACTED]
Signature Plane: Kawasaki C-1
Voice Actor: D.C. Douglas

Our second narrator. Dr. Schroeder will provide the Erusean POV to contrast Avril’s Osean POV.

Dr. [REDACTED] Schroeder is the chief researcher on a currently top-secret weapons development project being headed by the Erusean Air and Space Administration (EASA). Currently operating from a makeshift airfield in a dry lake bed in the Whiskey Corridor near the abandoned town of Anchorpoint, the doctor commands the full faith and resources of the EASA and his work has been deemed a project vital to Erusea’s future by the King himself.

A stern and serious man, little phases him, not even the potentially world-changing ramifications of his work. For he is the man leading Erusea’s drone development program. The current scope of his work on the project is now leading the refinement phase of the drone algorithm development. With the MQ-99s and MQ-101 from the Arsenal Birds operating at optimal capacity, Dr. Schroeder has now been tasked with finding a way to improve upon that baseline. He has opted to record and digitize the raw human flight data of a select test subject, a legendary Erusean ace pilot currently only known to Osean and IUN intelligence as “Mister X”.

Schroeder has begun to assemble a digital facsimile of Mister X with the aid of his two assistants, a pair of doctoral candidates from Accel University in Expo City: Martha Inoue, and Simon Cohen. While Inoue oversees the sublimation of Mister X’s neural data, Cohen translates it into computer code and implements it into each new version of the nascent artificial intelligence emerging under the trio’s care. Schroeder himself, meanwhile, focuses on analyzing and implementing the raw telemetry data gathered from Mister X’s haptic response flight suit, and the onboard observer drone that occupies the seat normally reserved for the Weapons Systems Operator (WSO) on his Su-30SM.

Many conservatives and traditionalists in the Erusean military look on Schroeder and his team’s work with drone technology as something akin to witchcraft. Criticism of him and those in the government and military who support him was increasing of late, but has now been virtually silenced as a result of the tremendous performance of the MQ-99s and their automated algorithm in the surprise attack on the Osean Federation. One such general, Édouard Labarthe has routinely called for more oversight into Schroeder’s drone program, demanding it be shuttered completely now that it has seemingly served its purpose. Schroeder’s allies—within Erusea, and without—have made sure the general’s mad Cassandra rantings have fallen on deaf ears thus far.

Dr. Schroeder sees himself as a steadfast champion of the future. In the divide between Man and Machine, he is firmly on the side of the machines and works tirelessly to bring a future where humans are no longer a factor in war into existence.

Though the mystery around him still persists. Just how exactly DID he get such an impressive drone program off the ground so quickly, anyway? Whose shoulders is he standing on, and how worried SHOULD we be about that?



MISTER X
Real Name: UNKNOWN
Callsign(s): UNKNOWN
Age: UNKNOWN
Sex: Male
Nationality: UNKNOWN
Signature Plane: Su-30SM
Voice Actor:

NO DATA AVAILABLE





CHOPPINBURG

A vast rainforest and wetland area in the subtropical region of southern Usea. Numerous rivers flow through Choppinburg down from the Hatties and Waiapolo mountains and serve as vital inland shipping lanes for the city of Los Canas and the Roca Roja region in general. The majority of Usea’s domestic and export lumber resources come from Choppinburg, with nearly 65% of the regional market dominated by General Resource Ltd.’s Forests and Fisheries subsidiaries.

The peaceful forests of Choppinburg have seen combat quite frequently in the past 20 years. They were once the staging ground for a Usean Rebel Forces supply operation during the Usean Rebellion of 1998, and again in 2005 when the Independent States Allied Forces conducted an air and ground assault against Erusean forces in retaking Istas Fortress from their control. Istas, now under IUN command, was one of the few inland IUN-PKF bases to weather the Erusean blitz attack of the Lighthouse War with minimal damage, but the subsequent Erusean domination of the airspace of Usea has limited its ability to launch any effective counterattacks so far.

The area was also struck by a number of fragments from the Ulysses 1994XF04 asteroid, creating a number of crater lakes in the region after years of heavy rainfall eventually filled the craters to their brim with water. Neucom Inc. is currently constructing a massive research and development campus inside one such crater. The technology conglomerate is planning to use the facility to conduct research on nanotechnology once it is completed in 2025.



BIG BABY HUEY

Knocker derides the Arsenal Bird as “Big Baby Huey” when it first arrives on the scene. It’s one of the first of what are going to be several examples of Ace Combat 7 just casually overlapping with real world Earth on a granular level. We already heard Jesus get namedropped by Knocker, so we know that Jesus Christ also exists in Strangereal too.

Anyway, Big Baby Huey was a cartoon character created in 1950 by cartoonist Martin Taras for Paramount Pictures’ Famous Studios (later renamed Paramount Cartoon Studios). Portrayed as a gigantic and hopelessly naïve duckling in a baby bonnet and diaper, Big Baby Huey first appeared in the animated short Quack-a-Doodle-Doo, the first of eleven cartoons featuring the character from 1951 to 1959. The plots of these shorts usually involved the mayhem that would ensue from the gigantic Huey attempting to interact with his normal sized peers.



KESTREL II

The OFS Kestrel II is—or rather was the flagship of the Osean Maritime Defense Force’s 1st Fleet, and the unoffical flagship of the entire Osean navy. A state-of-the-art Ford-class next generation aircraft carrier, it was one of several hulls laid in the aftermath of the Circum-Pacific War to replace the numerous Osean carriers lost to Yuktobanian and Belkan forces, the original Kestrel among them. Crowned with the name of “the ship that saved the world,” the Kestrel II was christened by the former commander of her namesake vessel, Admiral Nicholas A. Andersen.

Prior to the outbreak of the Lighthouse War, the Kestrel II had seen action mostly in a peacekeeping and training role. In early 2016, it was deployed to the Fuscum Sea as part of an IUN-PKF naval flotilla to oversee Estovakia’s adherence to the peace treaty it had signed with the Republic of Emmeria at the end of the Anean War. The Kestrel II joined the Emmerian flagship Marigold in maritime operations for well over a year before being recalled home to Oured.

The carrier was one of the lucky few Osean flagships that managed to escape the Erusean surprise attack on the OMDF, being at sea at the time of the strike. When Erusean MQ-99s finally located her, the Kestrel II had ample warning from OMDF maritime command and its fighter contingent managed to successfully defend the carrier.

From that point onward, the Kestrel II became the tip of the spear for Osea’s counterstrike operations against Erusea. The carrier has been parked off the Farbanti coast for the past two weeks conducting repeated airstrikes against the Erusean capital in an attempt to force the Kingdom’s surrender. Thus far, the Eruseans have endured, and have even managed to use the damage from the Kestrel II’s attacks as a rallying cry to gin up international outrage against Osea.

That was until May 30th’s Operation Dual Wielder, of course.

While the IUN-PKF forces were engaging AAS-01 Liberty in the skies over Choppinburg, the Kestrel II was simultaneously attacked and sunk off of Farbanti by AAS-02 Justice. Furthermore, its entire fighter compliment was shot down by MQ-101 drones. Crew casualties were heavy during the sinking, and survivors rescued by the Erusean navy have been taken as prisoners of war.

With the loss of the Kestrel II, Osea’s naval power and force projection ability has been virtually obliterated.



CASUALTIES

Brownie is the first named character to die in Ace Combat 7, and the first victim of Mister X. She will not be the last on either of those two fronts.

With Brownie’s death at the hands of the mysterious intruder to the Arsenal Bird engagement, a pilot later identified as “Mister X”, the tally of “Rookie vs. Master” now stands at 0-1 for the Master. Despite Brownie’s promising talent as a fledgling pilot, she was still easy pickings for the predator in the orange-wingtiped Su-30SM. Brownie’s increasing desperation over the radio as Mister X stalks and toys with her like a panther with a cornered prey is harrowing to listen to. All her training evaporates and she turns into a scared little girl and there is nothing that Trigger, Clown, Knocker or anyone else can do to help her.

Feel free to read whatever you’d like into the idealistic and optimistic character who’s been the only one to question the violence and the nature of war being the first person the game murders. It’s exactly what you think it is.







MQ-101
Manufacturer: North Osea Gründer Industries GmbH
Role: Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle
Manufactured: ????-2019
Status: In-Use
Primary Operators: Erusea
Quick Facts:
  • One of the latest models of combat-capable UAV on the market today.
  • Its sleek design resembles that of a standard jet fighter.
  • More advanced than an MQ-99, the drones are far more maneuverable, faster, and operate on an advanced proprietary strategic AI linked to the Arsenal Birds.
  • Sacrifices armor for speed and maneuverability. Just one missile can destroy an MQ-101.
  • Its small size and sharp angles reduce its radar cross-section and allow it a limited degree of stealth at long range.
  • Designed to operate in tandem with the Arsenal Birds.
  • They have an extremely short operating range compared to the MQ-99, rarely leaving visual contact with the AAS mothership.
  • Favors mass swarm attacks with overwhelming force. Enemies can easily become bogged down in their sheer numbers.
  • Armed with a single auto cannon and concealed internal missile launcher.





ARSENAL BIRD

The crowning achievement of aerial engineering and Osean military force projection. Or at least it was…

Formally know as the Aerial Arsenal Ships (AAS), the Arsenal Birds are a pair of gigantic fixed wing continuous flight aircraft propelled by eight massive contra-rotating propellers and powered by a microwave rectenna uplink tether which draws solar energy collected by the International Space Elevator.

Two Arsenal Birds have been produced thus far by the Osean Federation for the purpose of protecting the ISEV; the prototype model AAS-01 “Liberty” and the production model AAS-02 “Justice”. Two additional Arsenal Birds have been planed, but as of the outbreak of the Lighthouse War, production on AAS-03 and AAS-04 has been halted indefinitely. The Arsenal Bird responsible for the near wipeout loss of IUN air power over Choppinburg was AAS-01 Liberty.

The basic design of the Arsenal Bird airframe strongly resembles that of the now-destroyed Arkbird A-SAT spaceplane, which had been used by the Osean Federation initially for peaceful near-Earth orbit space exploration duties before it was co-opted into a weapon of war by Belkan Gray Men agents in 2010 and destroyed on President Harling’s executive order. With a wingspan of 1,100 meters, the Arsenal Bird is the largest man made aircraft ever created, dwarfing even the P-1112 Aigaion heavy command cruiser developed and deployed by the Federal Republic of Estovakia.

The Arsenal Bird can house up to 80 MQ-101 drone aircraft, which can be deployed at-will from the underside of the mothership, and then dock with the craft via magnetic locks once operations are complete. The craft has six air-to-air missile launcher ports on its ventral side, and AAS-02 Justice has an additional four pulse laser turrets supplementing its armament even further.

The most impressive feature of the aircraft, however, is the Active Protection System (APS), a near impenetrable energy shield that can be extended in a bubble formation around the Arsenal Bird which renders it virtually invincible to conventional weaponry. However, the APS cannot withstand attacks from hypersonic or nuclear weaponry, and it is reliant on energy drawn from the space elevator to operate. The APS can only function for a limited time by overclocking the rectenna dome and drawing over 500% of its regular power intake from the ISEV. The rectenna will then disengage and cool down for a brief period before reactivating the APS. During that time, the Arsenal Bird will be vulnerable. Should the connection between the rectenna and the space elevator ever be severed, however, the Arsenal Bird will no longer have the power on its own to raise the APS.

Both craft were constructed at the IUN-PKF base at Tyler Island, and then launched via the island’s SSTO mass driver, though they required an additional solid rocket booster propellant to get them airborne, as at over 100,000 tons a piece they were too heavy to be launched by the electromagnetic rail of the mass driver alone. Once airborne, the craft were intended to never land again, save for dire emergencies. To facilitate this, a complex self-repair and diagnostic system was designed and built inside the Arsenal Birds to allow them to continue operating in perpetuity without worry of mechanical failure. Additional supplies and special repairs technical crews are ferried to each Arsenal Bird whenever needed via a fleet of hyper-sonic supply ships stationed at and launched from Tyler Island.

The Arsenal Birds were intended to protect the space elevator from any potential terrorist or military threat, but it is clear now that Erusea has co-opted both Liberty and Justice and the strategic AI system that controls them that their potential as weapons of mass destruction far outstripped their role as mere guard dogs for the elevator. With an engagement radius of over 1,200km outward from the space elevator, the Eruseans effectively have de facto control over all of south-western Usea now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obP-ztpRBeI





    #3
    Beyonet
    Rosie Lucas
    37, Female, Lieutenant Colonel, Erusea
    Erusean Air Force 229th Air Division, 15th Reconnaissance Fighter Squadron
  • Plane: F-16C Fighting Falcon
  • Mission 3
  • Spawn conditions: Destroy 4 TGT aircraft within 60 seconds of the mission start. Spawns in the north-east of the map behind the Arsenal Bird after the mission update.

quote:

Major Rosie Lucas

Callsign: Bayonet

Unit: Erusean Air Force, 15th Fighter Wing, 22nd Fighter Squadron

May 30, 2019 - Operation Dual Wielder (Shot Down)

Ordered to escort the Arsenal Bird while her squadron went on ahead and engaged the enemy. Upon arrival, she was shot down, though she ejected. After the war, she became a wildlife conservationist due to how beautiful she found Chopinburg to be during her experiences.



Medal: Mass Destruction
Awarded for: Shooting down 30 MQ-101 drones after the mission update in Mission 3.
Description: Shoot down 30 or more UAVs in Campaign Mission 03, "Two-pronged Strategy".







Tracks featured in Mission 3:

DISC 1




Arsenal Bird Liberty launching from the Tyler Island mass driver, ACES AT WAR 2019: A History, pg 86-87.



Size comparison between the Arsenal Bird and other super weapons we’ve encountered so far:

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 08:39 on May 4, 2022

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
And there goes the only female pilot on the cast. I wish I was surprised.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Don't worry, the game will make up for that oversight in spades very shortly.

Also I had missed that the Hornet was the twin seater version.

And the "Time to show the other guys that we get wet, wild, and do dirty, dirty things" is a very unappreciated line.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Love my giant invincible kilometer wide mechagoose

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




This mission's ace gave me a lot of trouble after I'd finished the story. It takes a bit of time to actually engage the TGTs at the start, so you have to take down four planes in about 40 seconds, which was a bit tight.

First time I got her to spawn, I was immediately shot down by Arsenal Bird :negative:

Cooked Auto posted:

And the "Time to show the other guys that we get wet, wild, and do dirty, dirty things" is a very unappreciated line.

Very very true. I love the delivery too, it definitely feels like it's kind of Knocker's thing, rather than spur of the moment. Like if you saw his profile on the Strangereal version of Tinder/Bumble or something.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I like how in this one, if you go high enough, you can see the Kármán line approaching and the sky darkens as you see the edge of the atmosphere.

HereticMIND
Nov 4, 2012

I want the following to go on to the record: I viscerally hated Mr. X the first time I played this mission. The tonal whiplash of the cutscene that followed didn’t help.

It wasn’t until I beat the game did I finally come to understand him:

He’s chasing glory that’s long since passed him by, and has a hard time letting the message sink in.

In a way, I pitied him. All that talent, all that experience, all that training…and where did he end up?

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



The shape is a boomerang, OP. That's why it keeps coming back, too.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Also, I'm revising the date of the rollout. The Probationpocalypse begins Monday the 17th. Next Thursday is the debut of VR Mission 1! We're gonna use VR as intermissions between the various plot arcs.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

HereticMIND posted:

I want the following to go on to the record: I viscerally hated Mr. X the first time I played this mission. The tonal whiplash of the cutscene that followed didn’t help.

It wasn’t until I beat the game did I finally come to understand him:

He’s chasing glory that’s long since passed him by, and has a hard time letting the message sink in.

In a way, I pitied him. All that talent, all that experience, all that training…and where did he end up?

I'm also quite the fan of Mihaly and regard him much the same, but I'm trying to stay neutral right now to allow the thread to make up its own mind on him by the time we're done.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

It is a bit rough to introduce a new character by having them commit technically warcrimes and then try to get us to sympathise with them!

(is it warcrimes to shoot down withdrawing aircraft? I know it is to shoot retreating troops)

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Veloxyll posted:

It is a bit rough to introduce a new character by having them commit technically warcrimes and then try to get us to sympathise with them!

(is it warcrimes to shoot down withdrawing aircraft? I know it is to shoot retreating troops)

Also keep in mind, Schroeder is one spectacularly tone deaf motherfucker, so take everything he says with a grain of salt as he tries to present his take on events to us over the course of the game.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Something I just noticed replaying that mission is that on the Briefing UI the Vulture is called the Albatross.
Kestrel 2 still has the correct name though as far as I could see.

Professor Duck
Sep 28, 2018

Curling Injury

Cooked Auto posted:

Don't worry, the game will make up for that oversight in spades very shortly.

Also I had missed that the Hornet was the twin seater version.

And the "Time to show the other guys that we get wet, wild, and do dirty, dirty things" is a very unappreciated line.

A man that really gets into his work, that one.

Wait...he was still talking about flying, right?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Professor Duck posted:

A man that really gets into his work, that one.

Wait...he was still talking about flying, right?

Still insanely creepy that Clown looks like Kevin Spacey and talks... like that...

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




drat it Crow. :mad:

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
The Fort Grays Hanger music is probably the best piece of menu music I've ever heard in a game.

Also, if you fly over to where Brownie is you can actually see the entire dogfight. Unfortunately no amount of shooting at Mr. X can do anything to save her.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Natural 20 posted:

The Fort Grays Hanger music is probably the best piece of menu music I've ever heard in a game.

Also, if you fly over to where Brownie is you can actually see the entire dogfight. Unfortunately no amount of shooting at Mr. X can do anything to save her.

I shouldn't be surprised by that, but that's still impressive. I might have to grab some bonus footage and stick it in the LP post.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

nine-gear crow posted:

Still insanely creepy that Clown looks like Kevin Spacey and talks... like that...

Try to look at the positives:


Give me Baby Driver 2 but entirely with fighter jets.:allears:

Bliss Authority
Jul 6, 2011

I'm not saying it was witches

but it was witches

JamieTheD posted:

To the tune of The Llama Song

Here a Belka
There a Belka
Everywhere is also Belka
Little Belka
Bigger Belka
Belka Belka Gun

Tougher Belka
Smarter Belka
Neutral Belka, Quiet Belka
Boring Belka
Belka Union
Belka Belka Plane


flew against a Cypher, with a super plane
pulled a laser from the stone and now we've lost again
tried to nuke our backline, still OSEA's here
but we'll still sell warcrime weapons
up to Electrosphere

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Veloxyll posted:

It is a bit rough to introduce a new character by having them commit technically warcrimes and then try to get us to sympathise with them!

(is it warcrimes to shoot down withdrawing aircraft? I know it is to shoot retreating troops)

It's not a war crime to shoot retreating troops. Just surrendering troops.

Although there are conditions that render firing on retreating troops criminal (for example, firing on parachutists, seriously wounded soldiers, or life rafts), an enemy currently retreating is still an active combatant.

Since Brownie was still in a functioning plane, she is an acceptable target in a legal sense, even if it was a total dick move.

Weissritter
Jun 14, 2012

HereticMIND posted:

He’s chasing glory that’s long since passed him by, and has a hard time letting the message sink in.

He should have gone for actively fighting combatants rather than retreating ones if that is the case.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Brownie should have ejected.

stryth
Apr 7, 2018

Got bread?
GIVE BREADS!
How is Grundr industries still operational?! After AC5 they should have been sued so hard and so much, they should have left an eighth crater on Belkas border. Why is Osea still working with them?!?

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Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


stryth posted:

How is Grundr industries still operational?! After AC5 they should have been sued so hard and so much, they should have left an eighth crater on Belkas border. Why is Osea still working with them?!?

You can use your imagination, or real-world experience with the US, to fill in that blank for yourself.

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