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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, broadly speaking a year out from it happening, America in general seems to be actually kind of a-okay with the coup when it all shook out, and that actually the folks who tried it had some pretty cool ideas and should be given the power to act on them. Eh the numbers there are largely in the ballpark of the same % of trump diehards that always pop up in polling. It also shows that conservatives are pretty split on the narrative about what 1/6 was. Which explains a bit of why the gop has been acting like 1/6 is a big vulnerability for them.
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Epic High Five posted:If this follows the arc of the original CHOP then I'm afraid mods will be both welcomed and effectively running the parts of it that aren't taken over by organized crime within the time frame hey nice thread you've got here
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TulliusCicero posted:
 so a lot of research, carrier groups are expensive to maintain, some money get siphoned into the computing black hole that is the pentagon's various payroll systems and a lot goes to 'other' ironically, stopping dropping bombs probably just reduces expenses by a few percent compared to the overall expense of keeping a globe-spanning military operational at all times Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 8, 2022 |
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Jan 8, 2022 04:45
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hell we could even bomb our own materiel, saving on further maintenance costs!
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Cease to Hope posted:I don't know how you'd read a joking suggestion that the US military could bomb its own carrier groups as a serious proposal. i'm not scared of anything with hooves (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rochallor posted:Missed opportunity for a "Manchin Shows No Interest in Biden's Package"
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Abner Assington posted:Yep. The current situation is just lovely enough to make people lose hope in electoral politics, but not enough for them to take to the streets. You say this, and I don't even necessarily disagree with it, yet turnout is by a significant amount the highest it's ever been. Even with young people, who are nearly twice as likely to turn out for elections as they were 10-15 years ago. So I think a lot of people feel the futility but also clearly haven't given up on it, either.
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anyone have the video of the full statement she made?
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Abner Assington posted:A gun to my head wouldn't be enough to convince me to vote for Kamala. i don't really pray, but if i was going to pray, it would be that kamala is not on the ticket in 2024
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TulliusCicero posted:
i mean 'immigration' can mean an awful lot . I think it's pretty reasonably that people have unfucking are horrific immigration system as a priority. unfortunately that question doesn't seem to differentiate the 'build the wall' types from the 'maybe migrants shouldn't die of dehydration or get tossed in heladors' people BigBallChunkyTime posted:I'd vote for her against literally any Republican, and I hope everyone here would too. i have this weird hope of someday being excited to vote for someone, but then again we're talking about politicians so it's probably just me being wildly naive Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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you say that but the dems just turned out more voters than they ever have before
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Majorian posted:What you're describing isn't exactly uncommon; John Kerry held a lead over Bush in polling averages a number of times before the final months of the '04 election. If there had been no pandemic, and if the economy were running along reasonably well, Trump probably would have been able to coast along on incumbency, as most of his predecessors had over the previous several decades. No major crisis on his docket means he can more easily go on the offensive against Biden, instead of playing defense like he had to. What would Biden have to offer voters to get them to turn out for him? He wasn't offering any new social welfare programs; his behind-the-scenes pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change." you say this, but 'nothing will fundamentally change and we will get rid of the dang cheeto' was apparently the vote gettingest, highest turnout thing anyone has ever run on Which says some weird things about this country.
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Jan 12, 2022 19:02
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Yinlock posted:Nah, that was the "Joe Biden is a saint of healing and love who will fix everything" narrative that also says some weird things about the country, because people actually believed that about one of the worst people in politics. where on earth were you seeing this narrative?
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Jan 12, 2022 19:12
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People didn't think biden was even going to have the senate, did people really believe that biden was going to magically get mitch to stop procedurally shutting everything down?Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:do you recall the line from the Biden camp that unlike the radicals to his left in the primary (at last check, all of them except maybe Hickenlooper), he had a proven history of working together with Republicans to get things done, and as such he'd be able to pass legislation they wouldn't? idk my impression of biden is of decades of verbal slipups where he says some stupid poo poo, a bunch of instances of him getting angry at people, and something about his dead kid and wife. I forget the exact wording, but no nothing about his image or reputation was even remotely what yinlock described?
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What? dude I'm specifically asking where people were getting that impression from because it goes totally counter to everything I saw about how biden presented himself or how he was portrayed by the media for, like, most of the last 20-30 years.
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I could be wrong, but the lion's share of the 'healing and cooperation' messaging from biden was post-election. Like basically from the day he won that was his main message, but it's much, much more absent during the general which, yknow, makes sense because you can't really do 'it's time to heal' messaging while you've still got trump in power Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Yeah the cooperation bit was there for sure.
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Willa Rogers posted:Did you frequent dnd when Obama ran for president? This forum was thrilled when Obama chose him, and even ordered pizza caught on video being delivered to his home. i'm not talking at all about 'what were people in dnd saying 15 years ago,' i'm asking about was biden being meaningfully pushed as an 'angel of healing' which i extremely don't think he was and to answer that question: lol hell no I wasn't around then quote:Biden still had the Cool Joe patina from the Obama years pretty strongly, and also had kept a low profile running a i mean again, i'm curious about what he was being actually pushed as, not at what people in dnd were fantasizing he would be. I do think he had the leftover diamond joe poo poo going for him that his team tried to build on (albeit that's pretty much the exact antithesis of some beatified healer of the country stuff) and the media writ large was fairly favorably disposed to him and did not seem to be in a rush to undermine him, but idk what that has to do with the original subject of discussion exactly? Most of biden's image and pushed public persona was intended to be 'just some dude' than what was being asserted above
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the original subject was where the narrative in question was coming from. Looking it up, it's almost impossible to find anything from biden or his campaign about healing and cooperation before nov 7th. Like there were little bits of that in his platform, but it was clearly the post election push very specifically. like you can check this by google searching biden healing cooperation, and then setting the end date as 11/5/2020 and comparing the difference.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:did you click the link in my first post, for Biden saying precisely that, as his pitch to voters in the primary did you link completely the wrong article (well opinion piece, technically, but w/e)? there's literally nothing concretely about healing and cooperating in there? in contrast to him literally making those words the cornerstone of his post election speaking and messaging
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VitalSigns posted:Did you fall asleep in 2011 and just now wake up? Biden also made the same claim about the 2012 election, he's been saying for a decade that Republicans will just wake up and magically work across the aisle one day I didn't dispute the cooperation stuff at all? Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah the cooperation bit was there for sure.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:let's all pause to appreciate the phrase "literally nothing concretely." yeah pretty much? I've repeatedly made clear that I'm not arguing against there being some talk about cooperating across the aisle in his campaign messaging. Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah the cooperation bit was there for sure. But that doesn't look like a campaign trying to sell him as an angel of healing, which i think you could easily say they did after the election because it was in pretty much every single public speech for months after he won. anyways this seems to be going in circles VitalSigns posted:Yeah you did yeah someone made a good point that there had been the cooperation talk in a lot of his campaign material, so i changed my position because they were right about that
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haveblue posted:IIRC we did think Biden was going to have the Senate, in the runup to the election the attitude within these threads was that there was going to be a massive blue wave that solidified the House and took the Senate by a large margin. The idea that Biden would not have the Senate wasn't taken seriously until the period between election day and the Georgia runoffs. Biden's alleged ability to work with republicans would have been seen as irrelevant campaign lip service in that context Ah I think you are right and I was misremembering, ty checking now and 538 for instance thought it was about 75% chance the dems would take the senate and the presidency
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Epic High Five posted:Don't forget the myopic laser focus being passed off as some sort of sweeping national trend! It's honestly an impressive construction of its type look you say this but we found one complete loving dumbass from brooklyn who is smoking to look cool
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Lib and let die posted:Sure, that's a fair point. Call me cynical but I think most of the private citizens that took part have drank enough of the kool-aid that they'll happily serve out their terms as heroic political prisoners or whatever they tell themselves. you vastly overestimate how favorably people feel towards ten year prison sentences
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Pobrecito posted:6% for dining out must be heavily counterbalanced by big chains. Every local place I’ve been to recently has been just straight up bodied by supply chain issues and having to increase prices 30-40% to stay afloat. chart starts in december 2020, p sure a lot of restaurant prices started going up a lot earlier
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SubG posted:I know it's currently fashionable to be performatively cynical about the justice system in the US but it really isn't that simple. In order to get that kind of treatment they'd have to clearcut and sell at least an entire forest. yeah compared to that, what they did is more like stealing a sandwich from 7/11, which is a 5-25 year kind of crime
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Didn’t the Dems run a Clintonite against this guy? I recall people saying that the Dem candidate’s only GOTV effort was “I’m not trump”. If I’m remembering correctly, I put the blame squarely on the Dems for running a poo poo candidate. Everything this Republican does is the result of Dems being worthless. Virginia when insanely blue for Obama and Biden so this was snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to the point it was on purpose. How exactly do you think candidates are decided upon?
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:Would you accept the term "kingmaker" in lieu of "boss"? The Clintons, the Obamas, Jim Clyburn, Trump.. I think these people have incredible amounts of influence within their party and they are not hesitant to use it to further their goals. I think you're vastly over-estimating how impactful those people actually are. Idk about clyburn's record (though I suspect that most of the people he throws his weight behind who win were already favorites to win without him), but the clintons and trump endorsed candidates are basically a coin flip at best and their endorsement even appears to be actively harmful in many situations because they're such polarizing figures and they're base of support is nowhere near broad enough to kingmake nationally, if even regionally. The idea that there even are dem kingmakers to any significant extent should be easily proved by showing some people whos endorsement or support both 1) matter significantly and 2) reliably is enough to swing elections. Everyone mentioned so far is in the boat of people who aren't swinging poo poo outside of *maybe* their home states (and even then, obama isn't the big fish in chicago, clintons aren't the big fish in NY, and to pivot around to conservatives, trump, while the big fish, actually sucks at calling winners and is a lot more adept at destroying candidates and/or promoting their competitors to improve his bargaining position or ego than he does actually trying to meaningfully get people elected. tldr us politics are disorganized as gently caress and both parties, but especially the dems earnestly wish they had something as coordinated people here are suggesting Again, this whole thing started in a discussion about macauliffe who exceedingly disproves the idea that there are kingmaking dems. Similar to how some bartender poo poo all over pelosi's carefully laid succession plans.
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influence within a single state's primary is a massively far cry from a kingmaker
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also 100% worth noting that clyburn has influence, but it's still very, very much the people of south carolina voting how they feel
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idk if I buy that there are no national leftist organizations unless we're using some like rather strained or exclusionary definitions of leftism here that said, if not, why aren't there any? Leftism is fringe politically but it's not that fringe and the bridges to at least appeal to the mainstream very much are there even if electoral success is anything but guaranteed
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like poo poo even the socialist rifle association has 10,000 dues paying members
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Yinlock posted:Leftist organizations tend to either be stamped down immediately or co-opted by careerists(who will cynically dismantle them the second they get what they want out of it). ty for the response, will reply to this tomorrow when I have time
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I lean more on the side of arguing that the us is an oligarchy (or probably more accurately, has some features of an oligarchy, I think strictly fitting that definition to the US is going to be difficult), but it's hard to square that up with zuck currently getting buttfucked by antitrust judges.
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