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I recall hearing someboy, might have been Cornette, mention that back in the day promoters would be begging wrestlers not to spend all their time backstage playing cards. The wrestlers find fun things to do to pass the time before their matches, and I think the guys spending their time backstage now playing videogames is basically the same thing as those dudes playing cards: it was a fun thing to do with the other wrestlers and they liked hanging out together. I mean it's apples and oranges to some degree, they're not working the same (insane) schedule as those older guys did, and the heavy drinking and drug use appears to be thankfully mostly a thing of the past now.
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tao of lmao posted:Do you think the boys from the old school would be comic book/videogame dorks like modern wrestlers? Conversely, would the guys like Omega have been just as bad with muscle relaxers, beer, and opiates given the lack of anything better to do on the road? Several years back, Hugh Jackman appeared on RAW to promote one of the X-Men movies. Sandow showed up in a Magneto costume to harass him, which led to JBL on commentary yelling something like 'this rear end in a top hat needs to go back to Asteroid M!' To this day I'm still not sure if JBL is an X-Men dork or if he was fed that line, but either way it's stuck with me and it's something I can't stop thinking about sometimes.
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Re: the drinking/partying/drugs that old school wrestlers of the 70s/80s did. Some of it, (if not a lot of it), was encouraged by promotors/companies. As wrestlers were supposed to be the big handsome/hunky tough guys that would go into the local bar. Out drink all the locals, gently caress the local women, pick a fight and beat up some local loudmouth, and walk away looking like a real life "tough guy". In order to sell tickets in that town/sell themselves and the industry as being legit and full of larger than life manly men. You do this whilst throwing yourself at the ground 300+ days a year, and having to drive yourself to the next town 5 hours away befor having to drink/gently caress and fight yet again really takes a toll. Both mentally and physically. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that the pills and drugs flow on from that. It is good that wrestling has mostly moved away from that. Not only because it is much healthier for the wrestlers, but in my own selfish opinion, I much prefer it when the wrestlers I like are wholesome dorks/family men/nice people in real life.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Re: the drinking/partying/drugs that old school wrestlers of the 70s/80s did. I don't think promoters encouraged it because they'd potentially be liable for damages caused by the wrestlers they employed. And also because it'd be bad for business if your guy or guys are either locked up in jail or injured as a result of a barroom brawl, and can't make it to the show. Cornette actually touched on this briefly once, when someone asked him if Bill Watts told guys to go pick fights to show how tough wrestlers were. He said what Watts had told his guys was, "don't go out picking fights, but if you're dumb enough to get into fights, then you had better whip everyone's rear end, or you're loving fired". E: I think a lot of the cause of wrestlers doing drugs etc. was just the culture of the times. In the 1970s, most wrestlers drank a lot but they also weren't expected to be built like Greek gods, they were usually either large bulky dudes, "normal" sized guys, or slim and trim. There were a few exceptions of course, but by and large they weren't expected to look like they were chisled from marble. In the 1980s, when the WWF started becoming the #1 company, there was much more of an emphasis placed on physique, even though the traveling schedule remained the same, so between that and the "cocaine culture" of the 1980s combined with the prevalence and easy access to steroids and painkillers, it's no wonder a lot of wrestlers got hooked on something that would ultimately kill them. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Sydney Bottocks posted:E: I think a lot of the cause of wrestlers doing drugs etc. was just the culture of the times. In the 1970s, most wrestlers drank a lot but they also weren't expected to be built like Greek gods, they were usually either large bulky dudes, "normal" sized guys, or slim and trim. There were a few exceptions of course, but by and large they weren't expected to look like they were chisled from marble. In the 1980s, when the WWF started becoming the #1 company, there was much more of an emphasis placed on physique, even though the traveling schedule remained the same, so between that and the "cocaine culture" of the 1980s combined with the prevalence and easy access to steroids and painkillers, it's no wonder a lot of wrestlers got hooked on something that would ultimately kill them. Not to mention that territories kept guys on the road all the time, so they never really had time to work out beyond the basics anyway. WWF guys were bigger than average, but even they weren't super bulked up until Vince Jr. took over because he's a creep who is obsessed with bodybuilding and went out of his way to push guys who catered to that.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I don't think promoters encouraged it because they'd potentially be liable for damages caused by the wrestlers they employed. And also because it'd be bad for business if your guy or guys are either locked up in jail or injured as a result of a barroom brawl, and can't make it to the show. Having listened to an old Between The Sheets Patreon episode about the death of Eddie Gilbert, they relate a story where (IIRC) Bret Hart over-heard Brian Knobbs have an argument with Vince because they were I guess testing for cannabis. And Knobbs argument was what difference did it make when it helped him deal with the strains of being on the road & Vince just responded well you better do more alcohol & pills then. So I think some promoters encouraged it.
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A lot of the drug use was self-medication, both for the physical toll from the ring and the psychological toll of whatever they may be deadling with.
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forkboy84 posted:Having listened to an old Between The Sheets Patreon episode about the death of Eddie Gilbert, they relate a story where (IIRC) Bret Hart over-heard Brian Knobbs have an argument with Vince because they were I guess testing for cannabis. And Knobbs argument was what difference did it make when it helped him deal with the strains of being on the road & Vince just responded well you better do more alcohol & pills then. So I think some promoters encouraged it. Oh, I have no doubt that Vince and many other promoters encouraged their guys to do booze or painkillers instead of weed, because weed was seen as a "hippie" drug while booze or coke or pills were seen as more "manly" or "legit". I was referring more to the idea that they'd encourage guys to go to bars and get into fights. There were probably some smaller promoters that did that as a way to show how tough their wrestlers were, but the bigger promotions quite rightly didn't want the headaches (legal or otherwise) from having to bail guys out or fend off lawsuits or rearrange shows, just because some of their wrestlers got into a drunken brawl with some of the locals.
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melanie pillman died https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr/status/1532428813312872452
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Vertical Lime posted:melanie pillman died drat, at least she got to see her boy make it. 
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per Volk Han's instagram, RINGS Russia mainstay Nikolai Zouev has passed away.
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/seanrosssapp/status/1538558417442328576?s=21&t=YeA3HoKhbAQC8EIRCXdF1A Mr White, that's not very wise 
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RIP Judo Gene Lebell https://twitter.com/MaulerMMA/status/1557198876251041792
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 Steven Segal just poo poo himself and doesn't know why.
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:
LMAO I'd forgotten this story, thanks.
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Here's an hour of Gene demonstrating submissions on Mando Guerrero (Eddie's brother) while also heeling it up like a mofo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_CfKtMkVw
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:
I am delighted to know that story is legit.
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Someone share the story for those who don't know. It's me I don't know
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Shard posted:Someone share the story for those who don't know. It's me I don't know On the set of one of his movies back in the day, Segal was like "yo, it is literally impossible for anyone to choke me out." Gene LeBell, who was working as a stunt co-ordinator or a fight choreographer or whatever, was like "Oh really?" and took Segal up on his challenge. Basically, it not only turned out Segal was very choke out-able, he also proceeded to poo poo his pants in the process.
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The version I always heard was similar, Lebell and Seagal were discussing holds, Lebell offers to show him a proper choke. He does and then Seagal apparently kicked him during it. Lebell goes "gently caress this guy" and cinches it in. Seagal waves off the stunt people going "Nah I got this" and then he was unconscious
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oh yes. That's good. That's the stuff.
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DeathChicken posted:The version I always heard was similar, Lebell and Seagal were discussing holds, Lebell offers to show him a proper choke. He does and then Seagal apparently kicked him during it. Lebell goes "gently caress this guy" and cinches it in. Seagal waves off the stunt people going "Nah I got this" and then he was unconscious It was a kick to the balls as well. This combined with Seagal's arrogance about his ability to escape chokes and him being known to actually strike stuntmen for real for no reason and you can understand more why LeBell did what he did.
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Can't imagine production was happy about the stunt coordinator taking out the talent but gently caress em lol
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There's also this gem about Seagal:
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Shard posted:Can't imagine production was happy about the stunt coordinator taking out the talent but gently caress em lol There's another story of Seagal ignoring warnings and ending up falling into the ocean because he was such an rear end and people thinking it was funny so I'm guessing they saw the humor of it. Edit: HOW WAS I BEATEN TO THE STORY OF HIM FALLING INTO THE OCEAN?
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Seagal is by all accounts one of those people who thinks studying aikido gives him super powers. It's a shame that the Hollywood execs who were sold on him because of his demonstration didn't realize that you can't flip people the way he does without both involved parties being in agreement.
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Shard posted:Can't imagine production was happy about the stunt coordinator taking out the talent but gently caress em lol Judo Gene Lebell supposedly also kicked the poo poo out of/maybe just embarrassed Bruce Lee and is part of the inspiration for the Once Upon A Time in Hollywood movie
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Story is he lifted him up in a fireman's carry and ran around with him for a while. Bruce got a bit upset, but then they laughed about it and Bruce went to train with LeBelle later.
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I don't know if it's a bullshit story, but I remember hearing years ago about Kelly LeBrock getting into an argument with a bouncer, going and getting Seagal who tried to intimidate him and the bouncer just very professionally hauled his rear end out of there like he was any other random rear end in a top hat  Anyway, Judo Gene owned, lived a long life, and will be well-remembered by nearly everybody. What more can you ask for in life? 
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Steven Seagal had a thing about challenging other martial arts guys to fights and the best story is about a coked up JCVD being pissed off and wanting to fight him and Seagal ran away.
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Dawgstar posted:Seagal is by all accounts one of those people who thinks studying aikido gives him super powers. It's a shame that the Hollywood execs who were sold on him because of his demonstration didn't realize that you can't flip people the way he does without both involved parties being in agreement. In his prime, Steven Seagal was a very large dude, especially by Hollywood star standards, with intensity, charisma, a camera-friendly fighting style and legitimate athletic ability. Pro wrestler potential right there. He's also always been a bully who verbally and physically abuses his co-stars. An ego-maniac who wants complete control over his roles and lines and is incredibly difficult to work with. Also sexually harasses women and has multiple rape allegations. Again, could have been a pro wrestler. Basically: gently caress Steven Seagal, Gene Lebell rules.
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Suleman posted:In his prime, Steven Seagal was a very large dude, especially by Hollywood star standards, with intensity, charisma, a camera-friendly fighting style and legitimate athletic ability. Pro wrestler potential right there. He also assaulted John Leguizamo and got fired/written out of a movie over it
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