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Lord Stimperor posted:A bunch of the BtB-cohosts have ended up on my playlist: Jake hannrahan, Jamie Loftus, knowledge fight themselves.... Also about time Paul F Tompkins came back. I want to listen to the Golden Retriever man (he voiced Mr. Peanut butter in Bojack horseman and I can't see anything else when I hear the voice)! Jake's got a new podcast called Megacorp about capitalistic horrors mostly focusing on Amazon, but he previously hosted a show critical of Q that was good called Q Clearance. His work striding extremists in Eastern Europe and turkey and the like are great and his production/show Popular Front has a lot of content. If you want PFT find him in his element on CBB (maybe the annual wrap ups if you're new to him) or the old stuff from Superego. His spots on Bonanas for Bonanza are great too, along with him guesting on any other podcast ever. He has done at least two bits with Robert, the first I heard were the Rush Limbaugh episodes, but the newer ones he was on were about an old horrible grift circuit I can't remember the name of now. He seems engaged with BtB, but I don't think these reality horrors are where he shines, and Robert tends to stick pretty tightly to the script. E: oh he has a character as the ships councillor on Lower Decks and cohosts an official star trek pod called the Pod Directive with Tawny Newsome and they're great together.
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I really enjoy looking back years later on things that were published with the benefit of hindsight and within that immediate context. SO MANY of us forget poo poo that we thought, said or wrote a decade later. Occasionally, I'll wind up re-reading something I posted 6 years ago or whatever and realize how stupid (or smart) I was. I'll go through my journal or whatever and see how naive and silly I was (or occasionally prescient). Thing is though, I've been listening to some of these older KF episodes and I keep wondering how the people who believe all this Alex Jones poo poo rationalize the reality that NONE of the poo poo he predicts ever...EVER...loving...happens. Same with all the crap in the Freep thread. No FEMA death camps, no race wars, no King Obama For Life socialist takeover, no rounding up everybody's guns, no Hillary Clinton rigged election victory, no underground adrenochrome pizza parlors. No nothing. Gay marriage didn't destroy society, Sharia Law wasn't implemented, cops aren't being mowed down in mass shootings by angry black people, legal weed has been a boon, no microchip vaccines, no shuttering of FOX News, no UHC death panels... Trans athletes aren't taking over gender defined sporting leagues. None of the Q poo poo with Trump being reinstated, JFK rising from the dead, Hillary being arrested, etc. ever happened. Nor did even any of the slightly more believable poo poo. Do they just forget this poo poo they believed, screamed and warned each other about? Or feel like their diligence and watchful eyes prevented it somehow? Is it really as simple as the Magic MAGA rock that keeps the tigers away?
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It's the middle one, they obviously scared off the globalists. They then just move on and forget about it because it's obviously not important anymore. Within far right and fascist conspiracy theories, their enemies are equally incredibly powerful and about to begin their end game but also incredibly incompetent and weak so they can be defeated. For instance Jones will talk about how the "globalists" are killing people left and right to silence them but Jones is himself untouchable because he'd obviously be a martyr. Also, despite their control of everything and rigging the system, Trump can be elected and the legal system can be used but when it fails, it's because it was never going to work, why would you think that? The best summation Knowledge Fight has had about Jones since 2016 is that backing Trump was the greatest mistake he has probably made. By backing a politician who actually won, that he had to bend over backwards for repeatedly, and didn't really deliver on a lot of his promises, or at least to the level the fascists like Jones wanted, he's painted himself into a corner.
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BiggerBoat posted:I really enjoy looking back years later on things that were published with the benefit of hindsight and within that immediate context. SO MANY of us forget poo poo that we thought, said or wrote a decade later. Occasionally, I'll wind up re-reading something I posted 6 years ago or whatever and realize how stupid (or smart) I was. I'll go through my journal or whatever and see how naive and silly I was (or occasionally prescient). They think it DID happen. They think that there are and were FEMA death camps just off-screen at every major disaster, that Obama is still secretly in charge from the shadows, that both the 2016 and 2020 elections were rigged (but Trump was so strong he won anyway once), that gay marriage is the reason for the recent inflation and also COVID and also the terrible weather, that Sharia Law was implemented in most major cities and downtown Detroit is a no-go zone where Christians are executed on sight, and that two dozen cops are murdered by black gangs in every liberal city every week and it just doesn't get reported on. The reason you get January 6th and COVID-denialists and basically the last decade is that approximately 30-40% of the country has constructed a vivid fantasy world that they live every waking moment in and when reality tries to intrude they scream until it goes away. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:They think it DID happen. They think that there are and were FEMA death camps just off-screen at every major disaster, that Obama is still secretly in charge from the shadows, that both the 2016 and 2020 elections were rigged (but Trump was so strong he won anyway once), that gay marriage is the reason for the recent inflation and also COVID and also the terrible weather, that Sharia Law was implemented in most major cities and downtown Detroit is a no-go zone where Christians are executed on sight, and that two dozen cops are murdered by black gangs in every liberal city every week and it just doesn't get reported on. This is why Trump was such an electric figure, because he spouted off the most unhinged parts of that reality in a way no other candidate ever did. It alienated, offended, and disgusted normal people, but the movement no longer needs normal people. Covid has killed the same percentage of the world population as WWII did, in half the time, and it's still a political goal of theirs to prevent public health measures like vaccinations. Reality is meaningless when the world is so big our own personal experiences can't encompass it all. The same people who thought the world was flat and dragons lived a few miles away haven't disappeared over time. Most people knew better. Some people didn't. Now they refuse to believe in diseases.
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Feb 1, 2022 18:47
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Just popping in to say I'm a listener after someone linked that monster deposition episode. Great podcast!
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The best summation Knowledge Fight has had about Jones since 2016 is that backing Trump was the greatest mistake he has probably made. By backing a politician who actually won, that he had to bend over backwards for repeatedly, and didn't really deliver on a lot of his promises, or at least to the level the fascists like Jones wanted, he's painted himself into a corner. I'm not sure about this. Last episode has Alex flip flipping on that with Roger Stone on. Trump turns out to be an essential part of the grift if only because he's the bellwether for the flock.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I’m still not a hundred percent that Daria isn’t Alex’s Russian handler. Back in 2015, Alex was invited to do a spot on RT via Skype. What actually happened was that he ended up being debriefed by Russian intelligence agents who set up the RT spot as a pretense. They grilled him on if he was for real or not and then, because they trained to manipulate narcissists, lay into Alex with praise and basically flip him. Alex describes this all in great detail on his show and is too stupid to realize he got flipped into a Russian asset for free. 2015 is the same year that Daria starts at infowars and the bots start pumping Alex’s numbers. Based on this recommendation I listened to KF#82 last night and oh, boy, is this one a doozy. After he claims on-air that he’s been made into a Russian asset, there’s a part where he says things like “Putin is the only leader out there who’s telling the truth” and the only one who’s “consistently coming down on the right side of all the issues” and “Putin is hope” Putin is hope… holy loving poo poo. This one should be added to the recommended episodes list IMO, when that list is made.
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Feb 1, 2022 21:28
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Whenever they play the intro to Jim Bakker's show I think it's going to be I Want you Back by the Jackson Five.
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Working on the recommended episodes. Should I link directly to embedded player on their archive stream or use another service? I want to be platform agnostic while causing the least headache of actually listening.
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Feb 2, 2022 02:59
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Personally I don't subscribe to any podcast service or anything like that. I just listen to them on the libsyn site, and it's pretty hassle-free. It will keep playing on my phone and ipad if I switch to the awful app, for example.
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I would trust the direct links best for longevity, every other podcast aggregator inevitably decides to update and breaks everything somewhere down the line. Anyone who uses a specific app can just look it up by number, I would assume.
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Feb 2, 2022 03:26
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Murgos posted:Anything interesting in todays MTG interview? I'm not there yet, but I loving laughed at when Jones really got going on that pedofile professor. (Pedoessor?) Something I've been thinking about, and maybe its something the hosts or this thread has covered but Trump becoming president was the worst thi g to happen to Jones in terms of his bussniess. Once he became more nationally known, especially to more mainstream right wing news outlets, they just started aping him in termsnof content and delivery. Tucker Carlson might be the biggest example. Its the same thing that happens to music for example. A new style of music comes along that sounds completely diffrent that what mainstream record lables are making, eventually the mainstream lables co opt the sound and have their own stars and people define it with the edges sanded off. Rather than elevate the actual people who made it popular in the first place. Does that make sense?
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“Age of consent” laws are a major thing for some libertarians but whenever I mention that to libertarians, they get pretty mad and say that is not them. But their loudest voices just keep going back to that. I know this is not Knowledge fight specific but it is lateral. Does anyone sub to the QAA patreon? I started back in October (about a month after I started listening) because their premium episode samples pulled me in. Now, it seems like they are all over the place on when they release episodes or what their episodes are about (several movie watch episodes in the last couple of months). Is this just a lull time for them each year or has anyone else noticed the quality being so so recently?
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BigRed0427 posted:I'm not there yet, but I loving laughed at when Jones really got going on that pedofile professor. (Pedoessor?) yea they've talked about it some and it makes sense. on the other hand though you read poo poo like Infowars Store made $165 Million over 3 years... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/infowars-store-alex-jones_n_61d71d8fe4b0bcd2195c6562
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Tree Dude posted:yea they've talked about it some and it makes sense. on the other hand though you read poo poo like Infowars Store made $165 Million over 3 years... If there is one thing that seems to be constant with right wing media consumers it's that they really love buying stupid crap that is an obvious rip off and donating money to people who are obviously ripping them off. "Here buy this tub of emergency rations. Don't eat it! Save it for an emergency like when the globalists destroy the supply chain!" *spends thousands of dollars on buckets of food" "Whew, good thing I am safe from that complete break down in the world supply chain they keep telling me about. Why don't I have any money? Must be Obama!" *shakes fist*
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My dad was like that. Not to the same extreme fortunately, but he had a stash of weapons, survival food, and trade goods in his house for after the Obamapocalypse. Also lots of gold because once the communists end civilization gold coins will be useful for... some reason.
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The only reason you should own gold in 2022 is to keep a single gold coin in your wallet in case you get hit by a truck and wake up in a magical, medieval world.
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But it's the only real investment. (checks value of gold vs what he would've had if he'd put it in index funds) oh no
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Marsupial Ape posted:The only reason you should own gold in 2022 is to keep a single gold coin in your wallet in case you get hit by a truck and wake up in a magical, medieval world. Sure, that or paying Charon.
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Grand Fromage posted:But it's the only real investment. So, I just ran some back tests on portfolio visualizer and if you had invested in gold in ~1999 to 2002 (gold was at an all time low and the stock market was over valued) you are actually keeping fairly close pace with the US Stock Market. Most of the rest of the time it's not so hot.
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Murgos posted:So, I just ran some back tests on portfolio visualizer and if you had invested in gold in ~1999 to 2002 (gold was at an all time low and the stock market was over valued) you are actually keeping fairly close pace with the US Stock Market. I did the actual numbers when I was dealing with his estate because I hate myself and wanted to see how much money he lost by living in a talk radio world. He would've made over twenty times more from index funds than his coin poo poo. 
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BigRed0427 posted:I'm not there yet, but I loving laughed at when Jones really got going on that pedofile professor. (Pedoessor?) In not sure if it's a cause or just a symptom to be honest. People at Fox have been copying his poo poo well before Trump (Glenn Beck comes to mind) during the Obama years) but they would generally launder it slightly (since the general right wing media hierarchy has usually been something like Fox >>>>>>>>>> Rush > Drudge > Infowars > Infowars Farm Team in how stories filter up to the mainstream but a lot of what happened is that as the right has spiraled further right and isolated itself in it own media system and as a result that the hierarchy has really flattened out which is what is hurting Alex a ton (that and being sued to oblivion) Im not sure if I would credit Trump's election as a catalyst for that, because Trumps election was in large part an effect of change that already happened
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Here's the Dollop episode about Space Commander Mark Richard's if anyone is interested https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/9---the-pendragon
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:In not sure if it's a cause or just a symptom to be honest. I think it's both symptom and cause, it's a feedback loop that starts in the 90s with Clinton. With the end of the Cold War taking away the main pantomime villain that both sides had to (pretend to) care about, and with the Southern Strategy showing the GOP that the way to success is to keep their base dumb and angry, they pumped up the Lewinsky and Whitewater cases from something that would have been quietly dropped For The Greater Good (e.g. Iran Contra and about half the poo poo that JFK got up to, both far more heinous than an affair and a bit of mild graft) into MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD talking points. It's those two things that get remembered the most nowadays but they were doing it with loving *everything* (one of those trial balloon moral panics was of course Waco, where Alex Jones got his start and the previously apolitical - or at least equally distrusting of both parties - conspiracist fringe started to be subsumed into the far-right militia movements. 9/11 helped this process along hugely, too, because it let people like Jones play the both-sides shuffle that is still his most powerful move - both claiming that it was an inside job/false flag to keep up the essential lie of the conspiracist, that bad things don't happen randomly and out of my control, they're done by Them and it all makes sense, but also tapping into the oo-rah "Nuke Mecca" zeitgeist to keep people scared of the swarthy hordes waiting just outside the gates. The Tea Party was of course the establishment's method of tapping into that energy to direct it against Obama and even the slightest hint of progressive policy, but the problem is by that point the people coming into politics are the people who've been kept dumb and angry in the preceding decade or two, and they actually believe this poo poo and stoke it up within the establishment itself, to the point where they were turning against Romney by 2012 and all of a sudden the GOP can't get the toothpaste back in the tube and Trump happens. *Right now* the Federalist weirdos are managing to stay on the back of this particularly angry bull they've unleashed but the energy is already starting to ground in weird places. Jones et. al. are now redundant to them - the last thing they want is people getting even angrier and dumber - and the conspiracist fringe people aren't as interested in what he has to say because Q and all that poo poo is much more fun. Dismissing Q was what actually killed him off - I think he definitely had the chops in to take over that whole thing, but he saw it as a threat to his empire. In fact I can't help but see his second wave of Sandy Hook stuff in 2018 as an attempt to regain the ground that he had to Pizzagate, as that wound down, and regain his place on top of the midden. Of course you can *probably* actually date the contagion all the way back to the John Birch Society and other anticommunist mutants, but Whitewater etc is when the conspiracies stopped wearing suits and started wearing cargo shorts. (  as I finished this post Hypernormalisation started playing on my TV, randomly selected from literally thousands of different things on my playlist )
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Dismissing Q was what actually killed him off - I think he definitely had the chops in to take over that whole thing, but he saw it as a threat to his empire. In fact I can't help but see his second wave of Sandy Hook stuff in 2018 as an attempt to regain the ground that he had to Pizzagate, as that wound down, and regain his place on top of the midden. The thing about Q vs Alex Jones is that the two are fundamentally incompatible. Jones traffics in apocalyptic doom, buy brain pills and disaster preparedness kits on his store and stuff them in a secret fridge in your basement, because you'll need them when the (((Globalists))) declare open war on honest hard-working Americans like you. Q meanwhile traffics in hope (For fascists anyway) don't worry about the lizard people, Trump's got this, so how about you buy this T-shirt I made with a big Q on it so he knows you're rooting for him. And yeah, this probably cost Jones millions of dollars in the long run because as it so turns out there's a ton of conservatives who feel like they've been handed nothing but L's since the late 90's and need a fantasy world to escape to where their children realize their racism/homophobia/stupidity was justified and elected officials give a poo poo about them.
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Alex was still flirting with trying to win over the Q audience I think right up until he got completely destroyed while interviewing Q-Shaman (Knowledge Fight 518 January 11, '21). From that point onward he has been pretty hostile to Q poo poo... or more accurately he still spews 90% of the same talking points but when the subject of Q comes up he gets mad about it because he's not an important figure with that crowd.
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I’m very exited for this podcast. 15-20 years ago I swear poo poo like infowars skewed way closer to general kookery than violence inciting hate speech. I miss those days of “Art Bell on a five day cocaine bender” Alex Jones, and much prefer him to “harass the family members of murdered children” Alex Jones. Give me the olden days of conspiracy grift, where people snuck into world leader summer camp (Jones), or watched V and thought it was non-fiction (Icke).
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George Noory loving sucks. Art Bell Coast to Coast was fun, and while Art let you say any insane poo poo on air I never really got the vibe he believed any of it, he was just having fun. Sometimes he'd push back on stuff that was too stupid even for Coast to Coast. And I remember a few incidents where some started veering into anti-Semitic and other kinds of offensive stuff and he'd shut it down.
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bloodysabbath posted:snuck into world leader summer camp (Jones) In an early episode they cover this and interview a guy that snuck in with Alex. He says he basically just walked in along a road and Alex insisted on pretending that he bushwhacked a secret path. Basically it was way less interesting than it seems.
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Cat Puke posted:In an early episode they cover this and interview a guy that snuck in with Alex. He says he basically just walked in along a road and Alex insisted on pretending that he bushwhacked a secret path. Basically it was way less interesting than it seems. See also his trip to Bohemian Grove, where he was invited and no one gave a poo poo
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Tree Dude posted:Alex was still flirting with trying to win over the Q audience I think right up until he got completely destroyed while interviewing Q-Shaman (Knowledge Fight 518 January 11, '21). From that point onward he has been pretty hostile to Q poo poo... or more accurately he still spews 90% of the same talking points but when the subject of Q comes up he gets mad about it because he's not an important figure with that crowd. I remember when he was pretending that he knew the original Q who got it stolen off of him & co-opted.
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I think Alex uses Q to make him seem less crazy. His argument with the Q Shaman wasn't really to win over the Q but to try to legitimize himself in contrast. He failed. He gets his listeners to poo poo on them like they're the crazy ones. Gives them an outgroup to shun and they can feel superior to the "real conspiracies".
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The key to understand Alex’s relationship to Q is that, at his core, he’s a grifter, whose relationship to any and all conspiracy figures are directly related to his ability to use them for profit. Q is very problematic for him, because it has a huge following and a lot of people had been completely hooked by it. But the nature of Q (it being completely anonymous) means he can’t really easily attach his importance to it. He can’t claim to be Q, that ship has sailed (and would be inherently illogical: if he’s Q why would he out himself?) and he can’t really say that he’s in the know with Q because that would be raising questions about why he won’t drop the big bombshell “q drops” or why he predicts completely different things. So he can’t make money off Q, but at the same time, Q pulls away people who he could sell bullshit powder to. So oppose it he must.
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