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Where are all those goons from this off-season that insisted Stafford is a top-15 qb at best
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PupsOfWar posted:Where are all those goons from this off-season that insisted Stafford is a top-15 qb at best I would like the people that said the trade for Tannehill was better and Tannehill is a better QB to reveal themselves.
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Feb 15, 2022 01:10
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This was cool as hell https://i.imgur.com/7jTIEn5.mp4
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Feb 15, 2022 01:15
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adaz posted:How many times do you think lovely lions gms/coaches where like "we can't win a superbowl with matt stafford" ? My big takeaway from the Brady Bucs and Stafford Rams is that there is a giant chasm between the top 10 QBs and the rest of the field and it makes a world of difference. Much more so than having a top 5 or even top 3 QB.
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Feb 15, 2022 02:49
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MJeff posted:I would like the people that said the trade for Tannehill was better and Tannehill is a better QB to reveal themselves. Might as well double up with some bans, just to be safe
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Feb 15, 2022 02:59
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PupsOfWar posted:Where are all those goons from this off-season that insisted Stafford is a top-15 qb at best He's certainly in the top 15 now
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Feb 15, 2022 04:03
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YOLOsubmarine posted:God drat it must suck to be Jared Goff right now. Your ex just dumped you and now she’s marrying this other super successful dude with a giant hog and all of your coworkers are publicly congratulating him and talking about how much he deserves all the good things that are happening to him, and not to you. I'd be okay with being Jared Goff and having to cry into my hundreds of millions and big titty swimsuit model girlfriend.
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Feb 15, 2022 04:08
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really queer Christmas posted:I'd be okay with being Jared Goff and having to cry into my hundreds of millions and big titty swimsuit model girlfriend. The last time this happened in Detroit, that guy went on to finally win a championship! In Houston.
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Feb 15, 2022 04:15
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YOLOsubmarine posted:God drat it must suck to be Jared Goff right now. Your ex just dumped you and now she’s marrying this other super successful dude with a giant hog and all of your coworkers are publicly congratulating him and talking about how much he deserves all the good things that are happening to him, and not to you. He's probably just happy that they're all happy 
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Feb 15, 2022 04:22
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remember in the GDT when like a dozen people were predicting Staff was gonna throw a pick six to end the game https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1493313438722015232?s=19
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Feb 15, 2022 06:04
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really queer Christmas posted:I'd be okay with being Jared Goff and having to cry into my hundreds of millions and big titty swimsuit model girlfriend. I always feel really bad when I watch someone try their very hardest at something and still suck at it. I just want everyone that isn’t a shitawful person to be happy and successful at whatever they choose. But the money and big tits do sound nice.
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Feb 15, 2022 06:41
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Acebuckeye13 posted:remember in the GDT when like a dozen people were predicting Staff was gonna throw a pick six to end the game He should be sending Tartt a gift basket or five for dropping that awful INT
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Feb 15, 2022 13:50
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Grip it and rip it posted:He's probably just happy that they're all happy This is probably true, Jared Goff was a really cool and nice dude who was actually good at throwing footballs but couldn't keep up with the mental part of the game
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Feb 15, 2022 15:55
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This a thread for nice things about Stafford so I will try not to say that he doesn't have a case for the Hall of Fame (yet), but I do find the HoF discourse of the last two days very funny because it seems like it's actually Eli Manning HoF discourse in disguise
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Feb 15, 2022 18:11
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If Stafford is a hall of famer, then like 500 additional players are hall of famers, come on now. I like Stafford, but that's loving ridiculous.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:26
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Kalli posted:If Stafford is a hall of famer, then like 500 additional players are hall of famers, come on now. He’s going to finish top 10 in passing yards and TDs and has a Super Bowl. A few more good years with the Rams will wash the Lions stink off of him.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:29
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He's Eli but he didn't beat the patriots and TB12 twice. If he wins another SB he might have a case but otherwise nah
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Feb 15, 2022 18:35
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I think you are forgetting that Matt Stafford retired Brady and his comeback bullshit with one magical pass to Cooper Kupp
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Feb 15, 2022 18:37
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I think he has no shot if he retired today. But barring injury he has 5 years left at least and will no longer have the Lions stink on him, so that means pro-bowls, all pros and more time in the playoffs. Not to mention amassing huge counting stats of which he already has tons of stats. His case now is owning all Lions QB records, then going to another team and destroying the narrative that he sucked by immediately winning it all and being a huge part of why they won. There's a lot of what-if he hadn't been stuck on the Lions forever.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:37
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He’s going to finish top 10 in passing yards and TDs and has a Super Bowl. A few more good years with the Rams will wash the Lions stink off of him. Stafford is basically at Joe Flacco right now, a fair bit below like freaking Drew Bledsoe. He needs another ring or two and a better back half of his career, c'mon now. Dude's been to one pro bowl, he's had a couple of top 10 seasons for a QB in his career. He's not close.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:38
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Matt Stafford is Phillip rivers with a ring, he's going to the hall
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Feb 15, 2022 18:40
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I like Stafford too, but HOF caliber is way too soon. Another year like this or better and I'll turn around on him though. There's just too many dud years in Detroit because, it's Detroit.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:40
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if matt ryan doesn't take that 12 yard sack in the super bowl is he a hall of famer
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Feb 15, 2022 18:41
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wyoak posted:if matt ryan doesn't take that 12 yard sack in the super bowl is he a hall of famer Only if he asks out the cute jogger after
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Feb 15, 2022 18:43
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Stafford's HOF chance rests entirely on what the Rams do after this. If the best players retire / quit without being replaced then he has no shot. If they can reload and win a couple more SB's then yes he's in.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:49
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Chucktesla posted:Matt Stafford is Phillip rivers with a ring, he's going to the hall lol
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Feb 15, 2022 18:52
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You can say that about anyone though. If Ryan Tannehill wins a couple of Superbowls he's in! Mahomes hasn't won a couple of super bowls. If Stafford plays as well as he did this year, the Rams will hopefully be in the divisional round another couple of times over the next 5 years, that's about all you can ask of anyone, and Stafford needs a hell of a lot to be a hall of famer.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:58
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Yeah he should be much worse at his job like Troy Aikman or Jim Kelly then he can be in the hall of fame or whatever
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Feb 15, 2022 19:02
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Idk what more a quarterback who will retire top ten all time in a bunch of QB counting stats and winning a super bowl by leading a game winning drive and throwing a no-look pass on said drive needs to do to be considered a future hall of famer
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Feb 15, 2022 19:04
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Pro bowls
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I agree that if Stafford were to retire right now, he'd be a top candidate for the Hall of Very Good with no shot of getting a gold jacket. But if he continues to play at an extremely high level (and especially if he gets another ring), then I think he'll have a shot - in large part because the narrative will shift from "the Lions sucked and he was part of the Lions" to "he was always this good, the Lions just held him back" (which is what Lions fans have been saying for years). Also, it's worth remembering that if he does win another championship, that's practically a lock for the Hall right there - there's only one eligible QB with multiple wins who isn't in the Hall.
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Feb 15, 2022 19:12
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Chucktesla posted:Idk what more a quarterback who will retire top ten all time in a bunch of QB counting stats and winning a super bowl by leading a game winning drive and throwing a no-look pass on said drive needs to do to be considered a future hall of famer Nothing. He’s also legitimately very well liked and respected in the league. He’s a players player which I imagine will help him a lot in voting.
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Feb 15, 2022 19:12
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eric ebron gave him props the other night so I now retract my support for matthew
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Feb 15, 2022 19:14
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Chucktesla posted:Idk what more a quarterback who will retire top ten all time in a bunch of QB counting stats Because counting stats are worthless except as a measure of longevity and always going up, making his achievements look pretty meaningless.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:extremely high level But.... he hasn't though. This was probably Stafford's best or 2nd best season and there's at least 5 guys who had better seasons then him. The hall of fame is like hard to get into. Stafford played great this season, and was really good in the playoffs! But he's very far away from the hall of fame. Yes, if he starts playing like a perennial all pro, sure he will be. Except he hasn't done close to that ever in his career. Kalli fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Stafford maybe would have a tough time getting into the hof is he had stayed with the Lions, but now that he has a ring all he has to do is continue to put up numbers that he has his entire career for a couple seasons and its an easy lock imo. Plus his history and stats as a consistently clutch QB in the 4th Quarter is nutty. If you're a Lions fan like me, this SB run was not surprising whatsoever. *The day* he got traded, I was saying to another fellow goon that he was gonna win the SB this year. I think he's just been criminally underrated for so long that people are still processing just how bad the Lions bungled things up with him. e: lol i just remembered those 2 seasons where the coaching staff on the Lions tried to get him to stop using the side-arm throw and his play suffered. Then he went back to it, and he rebounded *instantly* Apples McGrind fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Because counting stats are worthless except as a measure of longevity and always going up, making his achievements look pretty meaningless. And yet every QB in the top 10 for passing yards that has a ring is either in the hall or is going in easily.
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Apples McGrind posted:Stafford maybe would have a tough time getting into the hof is he had stayed with the Lions, but now that he has a ring all he has to do is continue to put up numbers that he has his entire career for a couple seasons and its an easy lock imo. Plus his history and stats as a consistently clutch QB in the 4th Quarter is nutty. Out of curiosity, would you say he's better then Josh Allen or Russell Wilson or Brees? Between those two and Rodgers / Brady / Mahomes, I don't think there's any argument he was top 5 over the past, let's say 5 years. He has some argument up against Dak, and I think most everyone would take him over Cousins at this point (maybe there's a spreadsheet hero here, I dunno). Over the next five Brady's out, Brees has been, Wilson and Rodgers likely drop off, but is Stafford likely to be better then the rest or Burrow or Herbert and anyone else who explodes out? (it would've been a joke to mention Burrow here last year) like Murray, Lawrence, Zach, Carr or whomever. YOLOsubmarine posted:And yet every QB in the top 10 for passing yards that has a ring is either in the hall or is going in easily. Drew Bledsoe HoF!!!
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Kalli posted:Drew Bledsoe HoF!!! Bledsoe is 17th. If he plays another 4 seasons Stafford is going to finish somewhere around Big Ben or Favre.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Bledsoe is 17th. When Bledsoe retired he was 7th.
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