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Alan Smithee posted:expensive as in gold/jewels? Baldur's Gate never made you pay for spells so that always surprised me when I heard the TT one did Yeah-- the resurrection spells have varying levels of gems that get consumed as part of the spell. Revivify (1 minute or less, can be done in combat) costs diamonds worth a total of 300 gp, Raise the Dead (10 days) costs 500 gp of diamonds, Resurrection (100 years) costs 1,000 gp of diamonds, and True Resurrection (200 years, don't even need a body) costs 25,000 gp of diamonds.
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Dameius posted:Yeah it'll be phrased in the rule book as (made up everything for example) 5,000 gold worth of diamonds consumed for the spell. There is technically another way to resurrect someone and that is casting Wish which is basically max level end game stuff. Also Reincarnate, which is the fun one.
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Antitonic posted:Also Reincarnate, which is the fun one. "If it looks like I'm going to come back as a gnome just let me die"
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Gave up on show. Death doesn't matter, Scanlan sucks incredible rear end still, Keylith is still a drag that saves every episode with a big spell.
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Doltos posted:Keylith is still a drag that saves every episode with a big spell. What
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If you're not into the show, that's fine, but I do find it extremely funny to say "Death doesn't matter" when Vex's death dramatically changed the story arcs not only of Vax but also Percy (the Deathwalker's Ward was originally intended for him).
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YggdrasilTM posted:What In the CR fandom, these complaints were typically secondary to a load of sexist bullshit. I think Show!Keyleth and Stream!Keyleth get a lot of unearned hate, but I see tiring of Keyleth ex Machina as perfectly valid (particularly when you don't connect with the character). I have the stream as context and generally like both Marisha and Stream!Keyleth, so I'm less irked by it. But I get it. CuwiKhons posted:If you're not into the show, that's fine, but I do find it extremely funny to say "Death doesn't matter" when Vex's death dramatically changed the story arcs not only of Vax but also Percy (the Deathwalker's Ward was originally intended for him). Obviously with the stream I know the heartwrenching reality and implications of his deal. On the show, what we learn from those episodes is that there are ways to reverse death and if those don't work, there are other more powerful ways to bring them back. Death is demonstrably quite impermanent so, yeah, I can get where the complaint comes from even if I'm unbothered by resurrection in a fantasy series. We know the cast and writers felt this exact issue was a concern as well, based on the Craven Edge rewrite and their associated commentary.
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Keyleth has gotten two How Do You Wanna Do This moments, one per season. She gets some flashy stuff for trash mobs, but she only Saves The Episode With A Big Spell twice: the Season 2 episode explicitly about her character arc and backstory, and Sylas in Season 1 as the culmination of a multi-episode subplot about the Sun Tree. Every other big victory is some other character: In Season 1, Grog gets Brimscythe (though it was really a team kill), Percy gets Stonefell and Anders and Delilah. In Season 2, Vax gets the not-beholder, Scanlan wounds the sphinx and finishes Umbrasyl, Grog gets Kevdak, and Vex gets Syldor. Keyleth is just a hate magnet for weirdos.
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Detective Eyestorm posted:Keyleth has gotten two How Do You Wanna Do This moments, one per season. She gets some flashy stuff for trash mobs, but she only Saves The Episode With A Big Spell twice: the Season 2 episode explicitly about her character arc and backstory, and Sylas in Season 1 as the culmination of a multi-episode subplot about the Sun Tree. goon media literacy has always been ahhhhhh not great
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Detective Eyestorm posted:Keyleth has gotten two How Do You Wanna Do This moments, one per season. She gets some flashy stuff for trash mobs, but she only Saves The Episode With A Big Spell twice: the Season 2 episode explicitly about her character arc and backstory, and Sylas in Season 1 as the culmination of a multi-episode subplot about the Sun Tree. I think this is partly a feature of how the show has recalibrated a lot of group moments as "one character saves the team" moments so they all get spotlight character development. It works but it comes at the cost of showing them working ad a team.
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Detective Eyestorm posted:Keyleth has gotten two How Do You Wanna Do This moments, one per season. She gets some flashy stuff for trash mobs, but she only Saves The Episode With A Big Spell twice: the Season 2 episode explicitly about her character arc and backstory, and Sylas in Season 1 as the culmination of a multi-episode subplot about the Sun Tree. Sylas was well set up within the show's plot and Pyrah was clearly A Very Keyleth Episode but it's not a gripe made up from wholecloth. Agreed on the weirdos, though. The gendered critiques are never tough to spot. ETA: Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think this is partly a feature of how the show has recalibrated a lot of group moments as "one character saves the team" moments so they all get spotlight character development. It works but it comes at the cost of showing them working ad a team. I feel like that's one of the bigger challenges any TTRPG adaptation is going to face. At the table, it's largely a function of initiative order with every blow clearly contributing to the killing blow -- with a few encounter-shattering exceptions [MarishaFallsBackwards.gif]. On screen, it's tough to avoid last=most important. Paracaidas fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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Paracaidas posted:Maybe we've just got different defintions of it? As a couple examples, in the very first episode she reflexively saves the entire party from the unkillable dragon that massacres armies and has killed every mercenary band in the realm. In the fourth, she singlehandedly turns the tides against the Briarwood ghouls(?) that were destroying both the party and the soldiers guarding them.
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Paracaidas posted:Maybe we've just got different defintions of it? As a couple examples, in the very first episode she reflexively saves the entire party from the unkillable dragon that massacres armies and has killed every mercenary band in the realm. In the fourth, she singlehandedly turns the tides against the Briarwood ghouls(?) that were destroying both the party and the soldiers guarding them. By reflexively saves you mean she... made a shield out of vines that saved them from falling rocks because Brimscythe chose to give them a 'rocks fall, everybody dies' death instead of handling them personally like he does everybody else? I think that's more on Brimscythe than anyone else, because Vox Machina definitively did not win that fight against him. And when they did win the fight against him, it was a team effort. As far as the undead horde, I assume you mean the ice storm which really just allowed them to get out of the street and to the Sun Tree, where Pike proceeded to save the day, not Keyleth. And if Keyleth or Pike taking out a ton of undead bugs you then I have bad news - they're both directly from the stream (that's a general 'you' not a specific 'you', I'm pretty sure you're a stream watcher). Magic users are good at AoE. It's why the ol' wizard Fireball is so infamous. The only major moments Keyleth had this season were the episode that was explicitly about her in Pyrah and maybe saving Vax and Percy from the treants in the Echo Tree. Which was cool, but those were just lackeys. Vex was the one that actually ended that fight. Oh and I guess the Plane Shift, which she hosed up on and split the party. If some people don't like Keyleth, that's fine. It really is - there's main characters I don't like in all three campaigns. Vax is my least favorite of the VM bunch (although he's actually been better in the cartoon and Scanlan has overtaken him for least favorite) but I'm maybe a little oversensitive to Keyleth bashing because oh my god were people godawful about her in Campaign 1. It's just one of those things I don't trust at a glance.
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CuwiKhons posted:If some people don't like Keyleth, that's fine. It really is - there's main characters I don't like in all three campaigns. Vax is my least favorite of the VM bunch (although he's actually been better in the cartoon and Scanlan has overtaken him for least favorite) but I'm maybe a little oversensitive to Keyleth bashing because oh my god were people godawful about her in Campaign 1. It's just one of those things I don't trust at a glance. Yeah, the 'oh, she's just the GM's girlfriend' stuff was awful.
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Scanlan's likeability was always bound to take a hit in any adaptation. It's practically impossible to translate what made him so great in TV form. Sam Riegel/Scanlan's greatest strength is his humor, particularly his improv. You can't improvise in a scripted animated show. CR's humor in general never worked nearly as well in scripted form. There's also the matter of the audience he's playing to. At the table he's joking with his close friends which are all in on the joke so even at his crudest, creepiest and most vulgar everyone can laugh out of character even if in character they just look at him in disgust. In the show only the in character reaction is left. Even for the audience it's no longer as easy to separate Sam making a joke with Scanlan being awful as the character is all you see. It's also harder to show what a great D&D player Sam is and how brilliantly he used Scanlan's abilities but that's more of a general problem for everyone. In the game you have precise knowledge of what resources everyone is working with. How much HP, which spells, how many times they can use them, etc. As a result in the game a clutch move that saves everyone is a clever play, in the show it's a lazy rear end-pull. Senjuro fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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YggdrasilTM posted:I don't really noticed that, for me it was just "primary caster does some overpowered stuff to remove a momentary problem" as usual, you just nod and keep watching.  "CuwiKhons posted:By reflexively saves you mean she... made a shield out of vines that saved them from falling rocks because Brimscythe chose to give them a 'rocks fall, everybody dies' death instead of handling them personally like he does everybody else? I think that's more on Brimscythe than anyone else, because Vox Machina definitively did not win that fight against him. And when they did win the fight against him, it was a team effort. As far as the undead horde, I assume you mean the ice storm which really just allowed them to get out of the street and to the Sun Tree, where Pike proceeded to save the day, not Keyleth. quote:Except we didn't die, because of you Keyleth. You hear me? We're alive because of you. quote:Keyleth, it's time. Prove yourself! quote:You're their light now I love the coming of age story and growing into leadership story Marisha told with Keyleth and think the second season did a great job hitting some really subtle beats that showed her growth and maturity. CuwiKhons posted:I'm maybe a little oversensitive to Keyleth bashing because oh my god were people godawful about her in Campaign 1. It's just one of those things I don't trust at a glance. None of it is that deep, I just felt it worth pointing out that however uncharitable Doltos' takes were, there is explicit backing in the show. Goon media literacy cracks aside 
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Senjuro posted:There's also the matter of the audience he's playing to. At the table he's joking with his close friends which are all in on the joke so even at his crudest, creepiest and most vulgar everyone can laugh out of character even if in character they just look at him in disgust. In the show only the in character reaction is left. Even for the audience it's no longer as easy to separate Sam making a joke with Scanlan being awful as the character is all you see. There's a very interesting bit I noticed re-watching the first campaign at one point when Orion was going full Orion and was trying to be funny you could see Sam shake his head a little and say just audibly something like "don't do it" so Sam knows what lines not to cross.
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Dawgstar posted:There's a very interesting bit I noticed re-watching the first campaign at one point when Orion was going full Orion and was trying to be funny you could see Sam shake his head a little and say just audibly something like "don't do it" so Sam knows what lines not to cross. still the biggest bag-fumbling in recent memory. that dude coulda been set for life
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Senjuro posted:Scanlan's likeability was always bound to take a hit in any adaptation. It's practically impossible to translate what made him so great in TV form.
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Sam is very good at knowing when a joke is in poor taste or how to phrase a somewhat rude joke so it lands properly instead of offending someone. Like, he had a running joke about Scanlan's dick being referred to as "the cube" (because it was the same length as the width). It's a dick joke, but it's a dick joke on Scanlan because he's saying he's got a tiny dick. That can be funny, or at least less offputting than most if you're tired of dick jokes overall. Orion is just like "Oh man, my character is hard right now!" which... isn't funny and is just kind of a weird thing to bring up. It's not a joke because the only punchline is "My character is horny for your character." Sam knows there has to be a punchline and the funniest punchline is when he's taking shots at himself. Which reminds me - never forget that time Laura Bailey murdered Sam Riegel live on air with "Your face is smaller but your teeth are the same size!"
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CuwiKhons posted:Which reminds me - never forget that time Laura Bailey murdered Sam Riegel live on air with "Your face is smaller but your teeth are the same size!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uAu55Nb5F0
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One of my favourite Sam moments is when he isn't even at the table but skyping in. The group is in a dangerous place and Marisha/Keyleth says "We have to be careful about getting too high" and without missing a beat Sam leans in on the laptop and says "Marisha has never said those words in her life" and everyone just dies laughing
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I get the impression Sam is constantly calculating the absolute most and least he can get away with. He'll mime being hosed onstage during a live show, and he won't even look at the art of the other player characters. It's fantastic
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Crazy Ted posted:Remember: this guy's won an honest-to-god Emmy Honestly surprised he isn't credited on the show as Emmy Award Winning Actor Sam Riegel.
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Crazy Ted posted:Remember: this guy's won an honest-to-god Emmy I’m watching campaign one right now and in the opener for “The Cindergrove Revisited” Chris Hardwick makes reference to the fact that work-Sam is very much not Critical Role-Sam. “I've been working with this guy for the last couple of years on Sanjay & Craig. He gets all businessy, he's a responsible adult in the workplace.”
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Alan Smithee posted:tbh work Chris is probably not on screen Chris either Let’s hope no one else is like off-screen Chris.
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Hulk Smash! posted:Outstanding Directing in an Animated Program Yeah but which program? Edit: nevermind it's this: quote:In 2018, he received the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Directing in an Animated Program for his work on Danger & Eggs.
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Campaign 3, within the first like 4 episodes? Travis started out the campaign playing a character he had no intention of actually continuing with, an older man who was kind of useless but friendly and helped get the party together. Travis fully planned for the character to die so he could bring in his actual character later, and when he did die, the other characters searched him for any possible clues (and you know, for loot) and they joked he had Werther's in his pockets because duh, he's an old man. It's old people candy. They very quickly became a running joke.
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CuwiKhons posted:Campaign 3, within the first like 4 episodes? Travis started out the campaign playing a character he had no intention of actually continuing with, an older man who was kind of useless but friendly and helped get the party together. Travis fully planned for the character to die so he could bring in his actual character later, and when he did die, the other characters searched him for any possible clues (and you know, for loot) and they joked he had Werther's in his pockets because duh, he's an old man. It's old people candy. They very quickly became a running joke. Also Campaign 3, very much not to Alan Smithees query but after the first four? episodes motherfuck each and every one of you dumb motherfuckers who spammed Twitch chat with variations of "WhErE TrAvIs? I wish nothing upon you but misery and anal cancer. edit: Sorry, just realized this is Show and not Campaign thread, apologies and NVM AJA fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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AJA posted:Also Campaign 3, very much not to Alan Smithees query but after the first four? episodes motherfuck each and every one of you dumb motherfuckers who spammed Twitch chat with variations of "WhErE TrAvIs? I wish nothing upon you but misery and anal cancer. I feel like that one is on you for trying to participate in chat which has been cancer since pretty early in c1.
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