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Kes was a total menace out there, but he and Logano both drove hard like that at Penske and still do. I think everybody comes to expect it at this point, not that that makes it a good thing, by the way the 2 radio before the last restart was like, yeah the whole wreck started from ANOTHER bad push from the 6. Even though I think the 5 was more to blame on that one it was pretty clear Kes still has the stigma of a rough, bad pusher. On the plus side I put $1 bets on the 2, 6, 12, and 14 to win the 500 and it actually paid off with the 2 at +2800. I don't think the car itself had a very good showing. Fenders were coming off like crazy during the wrecks, plenty of wheel issues, suspension that was breaking after being looked at wrong (compared to the old car) and apparently if you have flat tires you are basically out of the race because the car cannot be driven with flat tires. E: also the hood flaps that kept coming off during normal race conditions.
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I think it's nice to have a Daytona 500 that ends with zero reservations in saying "that was a really good race." Bummed for Bubba but I've really grown to like Cindric a lot, so good for him.
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Mike Joy did say they're not allowed to make ANY modifications to the wheels, I suspect all of the Penske cars did so what is this about https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1495571161765326850
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kidcoelacanth posted:I think it's nice to have a Daytona 500 that ends with zero reservations in saying "that was a really good race." Bummed for Bubba but I've really grown to like Cindric a lot, so good for him. It was a much better race than the last two, for sure.
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bigbillystyle posted:I don't think the car itself had a very good showing. Fenders were coming off like crazy during the wrecks, plenty of wheel issues, suspension that was breaking after being looked at wrong (compared to the old car) and apparently if you have flat tires you are basically out of the race because the car cannot be driven with flat tires. E: also the hood flaps that kept coming off during normal race conditions. I think the flaps were really bad. If the hood flaps were ejected themselves going down the track, I don't expect them to hold any force when needed. And Burton rolling over, his flaps didn't hold the car to the ground. The roof flaps don't seem to work very well with the car going sideways.
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I think the diffuser is what caused Burton to flip. No way he should have gone airborne sideways like that if this was the old car.
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I said from the start if you put a flat bottom on these cars they're going to blow over. It isn't rocket science. I think you'll start seeing cars in the fence at intermediates this season.
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Right that's my thought. Any time a car went sideways it looked light and lifted the side up a little. They are going to need to make some adjustments I feel.
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gently caress cindric
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mactheknife posted:gently caress cindric Why?
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camoseven posted:Why? because he won instead of the guy i wanted to win, why else
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that's a good enough reason.
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mactheknife posted:because he won instead of the guy i wanted to win, why else Totally fair
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Feb 21, 2022 17:22
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Kinda wanted Kyle Busch to win, I get sentimental for these old fucks the older I get.
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Sounds like something a douchebag would say.
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mischief posted:I said from the start if you put a flat bottom on these cars they're going to blow over. It isn't rocket science. I don't think it's as bad as the wing (which NASCAR also swore didn't cause blowovers even though you could clearly see the rear decks flex as the cars were literally picked up by the wing and flung into the air every time one went backwards). Nobody else really got any noticeable air in any of the other wrecks during the 500 despite some getting turned sideways or backwards fairly abruptly, and Myatt Snider ended up in the catch fence during the Xfinity race easily enough without any help from a flat underbody. I'd say a bigger concern is definitely the reliability of the wheels and the apparent weakness of the suspension components and inability of the car to drive at all with more than one tire flat. Some of it might be inexperience with the new chassis, though, I suppose, and the engineers and crews will probably get some of those things figured out eventually, but there's definitely gonna be a lot more folks completely out of the race after a no-contact spin because they popped the rear tires and couldn't drive back to the pits. That's something that they really ought to work on.
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camoseven posted:Totally fair blocking-to-the-wall-rear end little poo poo
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I feel like the Snider wreck was some old school poo poo, he got turned and had almost the length of the car backwards before it came up and over. He went rear bumper into the fence. The Cup cars all looked like they lost all downforce once the diffuser was in any other orientation than straight in front to rear. The 21 went over almost parallel to the air, once the diffuser wasn't dumping that air it's a wing. There was no additional impact between the beginning of the wreck and upside down. Reminds me of all the prototype issues in IMSA, etc. Smooth bottom go fast great, smooth bottom sideways go not good. I'm not trying to say doomsday or anything, the 21 held up incredibly well considering, just something that you'd think some engineers or at least one lovely old crew chief would have pointed out. The wheel situation is disconcerting and even with plate track brakes it didn't seem like they had much whoa in the equation. Look at the 24 in that same wreck, he was completely locked down through the infield and still buried it in the infield wall. mactheknife posted:blocking-to-the-wall-rear end little poo poo That's racing.  I wanted Blaney to pull it off more than anyone but hey, guy in front of you dictates the race.
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i refuse to drop my biases, man can get hosed
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mischief posted:
In fairness, once the tires are locked the brakes have done all they can do, and you're then at the mercy of inertia vs. friction. The asphalt's much better than grass, but drivers have been knocking down the inside wall there for ages even after most of the backstretch infield was paved. There's just no way to stop a 3400 lb car traveling at 190mph in that short a distance.
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dennyk posted:I'd say a bigger concern is definitely the reliability of the wheels and the apparent weakness of the suspension components and inability of the car to drive at all with more than one tire flat. Some of it might be inexperience with the new chassis, though, I suppose, and the engineers and crews will probably get some of those things figured out eventually, but there's definitely gonna be a lot more folks completely out of the race after a no-contact spin because they popped the rear tires and couldn't drive back to the pits. That's something that they really ought to work on.
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i think blown tires completely stranding cars rules because attrition rules
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oh cool now we can add NASCAR Cup cars to the group of racing cars susceptible to going all Mercedes at Le Mans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e21ZjwZGjiQ the aerodynamic tl;dr is that anytime air gets under a fully flat bottom, it just picks it up and begins exponentially getting worse really quickly. I don't think it has as much to do with air going through a rear diffuser, just that much flat face is prone to getting picked up.
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Has NASCAR made any follow up statement on the whole tire thing that Penske and RFK were up to?
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Slickdrac posted:Has NASCAR made any follow up statement on the whole tire thing that Penske and RFK were up to? I don't think so but Roger did. https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1495822013381894147 Not that I believe him, but he did it before NASCAR.
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dennyk posted:I don't think it's as bad as the wing (which NASCAR also swore didn't cause blowovers even though you could clearly see the rear decks flex as the cars were literally picked up by the wing and flung into the air every time one went backwards). Nobody else really got any noticeable air in any of the other wrecks during the 500 despite some getting turned sideways or backwards fairly abruptly, and Myatt Snider ended up in the catch fence during the Xfinity race easily enough without any help from a flat underbody. no one was "in the air" but you could see cars going sideways getting "light" their windward tires lifting up off the ground, suspension unloading etc. I would not be surprised to see cars in more open air / different speeds having a bigger issue with getting in the air. Also yeah.. if you pop a tire you need a tow which means it's over, totally sucks.
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all this discussion of terrible event-sponsor names and no mention of the 1-800-Pitshop.com 300? (2003, Fontana, xfinity series)
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How about the trucks one: The Active Pest Control 200 benefiting Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta?
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Is this the last Fontana race before they turn it into a short track? I lost count because the pandemic has made time impossible to follow.
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They won't say one way or the other officially, but I'm pretty sure the Fontana short track project is canceled, especially after the Clash was well-received.
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mearn posted:They won't say one way or the other officially, but I'm pretty sure the Fontana short track project is canceled, especially after the Clash was well-received. With the Clash doing well, wouldn't that be all the more reason to put in a decent, permanent, short track? I've actually heard the same thing about them at least putting the project on hold if not all but cancelling that. Maybe they want to see how the new car races there before demolishing everything?
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couldn't they conceivably start racing at just about any short track? there's thousands of tracks they could go to, build up for increased capacity, and then not even have to tear them down when they're done.
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Cars definitely seem harder to drive
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chamois posted:couldn't they conceivably start racing at just about any short track? there's thousands of tracks they could go to, build up for increased capacity, and then not even have to tear them down when they're done. Rockingham has funding for a repave and is rumored to go back on the schedule someday. North Wilkesboro also has funding to restore it and might host a truck race in the future. So yeah they can go anywhere but the tracks need 40 pit stalls and stuff like that.
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A lot of short track pit lanes are too narrow for green flag stops, some places when they raced Busch Series there didn't allow tire changes unless you had a flat, for example.
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tyler reddick can't buy a break good lord
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Steve O'Donnell told me that the next-gen car was a panacea and yet this is even more boring than a lot of races in the past several years interspersed with just plain stupid mishappenings that have made the third stage take about as long as the past 24 months
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CBJSprague24 posted:Chase Elliott sucks. common Chevrolet strategy
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