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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Red and Black posted:

Explaining something and why it happened isn't justifying it. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.

NATO should stop expanding for one. And enter negotiations with Russia and be sensitive to its legitimate security concern wrt for example NATO troops on its border, missile systems, etc.

I find it disingenuous that you're spending so much time focused on Russia's legitimate security concerns when half their military has been moved to the border of a country they formerly controlled and partially reinvaded 8 years ago.

There is nothing close to a NATO equivalent for that kind of aggression.

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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Red and Black posted:

I mean, Russia is well within its rights to move its troops around inside of Russia. Also I don't think the claimed 100,000 troops is quite "half" of the Russian army

I don't think NATO has ever massed troops on the border of the modern Russian state; it would probably be a legitimate security concern if they did.

Is the concentration of Russian troops on the border not a legitimate security concern for Ukraine?

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Thanks for posting this.

From the automatic google translation of the page:

quote:

At the same time, Ukraine has now concentrated half of the army’s personnel in the Donbass and is shelling the militias, including with the use of prohibited equipment.

Tensions in the region are fueled by the United States and other NATO countries . As Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted earlier , the alliance is increasing arms supplies to Ukraine, where the number of Western instructors has increased. According to the diplomat, this could provoke the Ukrainian authorities into military adventures, which creates a direct threat to Russia 's security . Moscow believes that the West is trying to create a group of troops near the Russian borders.

There's any number of things to pick apart here but I find the bolded particularly interesting given that the US, UK, and Canada have all withdrawn their instructors out of the country for some mysterious reason.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
I don't know if the Daily Beast is a reputable source, but one of their correspondents is saying that Wagner mercenaries who have regularly been killing civilians in Central African Republic are being withdrawn from that country.

https://twitter.com/PhilipObaji/status/1493984585989902342

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

CommieGIR posted:

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1494311748257652742?s=20&t=NJLBKvgbIWOENPADjdJEug

Again with the "US Needs to leave Eastern AND Central Europe" which is a non starter.

This is completely beside the content of the tweet, but I really hate it when people tweet in ALL CAPS LIKE TWITTER IS ACTUALLY A WIRE DISPATCH FROM THE 1940S.

I really hope Russia backs down for the sake of all the soldiers and civilians who will suffer if there's a renewed conflict. It's depressing that there's been zero sign of that so far.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1494704648439144454

https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1494705082943873024
"A powerful explosion in the center of Donetsk, our correspondent reports"
"The explosion thundered a few tens of meters from the building of the government of the DPR"

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1494706047302443018

More explosions in Donetsk.

e:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1494707247020228610

Generation Internet fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Feb 18, 2022

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1494788414205579265

Ukraine sure has bad timing in waiting to strike the separatists until the exact moment that Russia has a solid majority of their military right outside their borders.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220219-live-osce-monitors-report-dramatic-increase-in-ukraine-ceasefire-violations?ref=tw_i

France also.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Life comes at you fast.

I sincerely hope nothing happens for the sake of everyone involved, but from everything I've seen I just can't imagine the Russian military goes home tomorrow.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

Knightsoul posted:

Don't you think it's been madness to expand east NATO presence in the last 20 years, and then expect Russia to stay calm and not retaliate some way?

The Eastern European nations joined NATO willingly and had plenty of motivation to do so after 50 years of Russian occupation.

What gives Russia the right to retaliate against sovereign states that join defensive alliances?

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1495742010552111109?t=x1iWht6N6DEPmYq9TdTHYA&s=19

RIA is continuing to strain credulity here. Those Ukrainian drivers picked a bad time to mount a daring rescue mission!

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

GABA ghoul posted:

Russian military claims to have killed 5 Ukrainian saboteurs inside Russian borders. They are moving this to direct Russia-Ukraine confrontations

Also, DNR has officially requested Russian military aid due to the dire situation lmao. Guess they got overwhelmed by their own artillery fire

Yeah this is the most concerning part.

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1495726123686191106?t=l3HN2vfWiv8B2zUJHspxMA&s=19

Really feels like the final pieces of the justification.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1496192950463782915?t=f5Um3VVyEew5pLE13gETsQ&s=19

Russian consulate in Odessa is allegedly burning documents.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

It’s in Ukrainian.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496620637019852812?t=ZNFFnTvB8vwySQwzdM0IvA&s=19

Apparently at least some was in Russian.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

All their personal kit stacked on top of the improvised top armour cage.

Gotta stay hydrated.

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Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.

steinrokkan posted:

Is it to block heat signature from the radiators?

I was thinking more to stop small arms in ambushes. Either way that's absolutely bizarre.

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