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Continuing the discussion from the other thread.Truga posted:so they should have said "you're not getting in" then, and thus avoiding a bunch of suffering for ukrainians because by 2014 clearly russia felt like they can handle propping up an insurgency now On the other hand could it not be argued that the root cause is due to Russia? Ukraine wouldn't have an interest in NATO if they didn't feel threatened by their neighbour. If Russia wasn't a threatening force then joining NATO would be of little interest. If one starts from the position that Ukraine has the right to self-determination and not to be anyone's pawn than it's only logical to seek aid if you feel threatened by another country. There's a whole rabbit hole delving into what the West could have or should have done in the 90s that may have prevented Russia from developing as it has over the last 30 years but at the root of it is that a country has no reason to join a defensive alliance if they don't feel threatened by anyone else. Presumably the Baltic nations didn't join just for the fun of it.
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Red and Black posted:I mean, Russia is well within its rights to move its troops around inside of Russia. Also I don't think the claimed 100,000 troops is quite "half" of the Russian army If Russia did invade Ukraine would it be 'within its rights'?
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Red and Black posted:Can someone give me a run down on what evidence there is that Russia even invaded the Donbass? If you go down to the section on "Russian Involvement" there are a lot of sources cited that you can review.
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TipTow posted:I mean, other than the loaded language, this seemed like a good-faith effort at trying to bridge the understanding gap. I do believe NATO to be an arm of U.S. (and by extension French and British at least) hegemony. That in no way excuses Putin's actions right now, though it certainly does help to inform why he's acting the way he is. More informative than "Putin lusts for Ukrainian blood." I think we understand perfectly well why Russia is doing what it's doing. I don't see anyone here claiming it's because 'Putin lusts for Ukrainian blood". Anyone who says that is clearly a moron.
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Cuba could be the 11th Canadian province. Think of the potential.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:I never disputed any claims made, in particular the idea that Russia evacuated civilians prior to the attempted Georgian reconquest of Tskhinvali. Massive casualties is a subjective phrase especially considering the small size of the territory. can you link that report?
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Alchenar posted:It's here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/eur040052008eng.pdf thanks
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Rodiel posted:Look, I dont want war, but a lot of you seem to. The only way to stop it is to understand that the Russians are humans to. They have the same fears that we do, its not that hard to understand. Quote someone ITT saying they want a war.
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A big flaming stink posted:Is this the Nazi militia? The sea is well known for its racist beliefs.
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They're so gosh-darn happy
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1495959462515036163?s=20&t=zyfD-H3r8XL2SQP5fA9oRw I see where the talking-point comes from.
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GoutPatrol posted:Yes, but they need I can't believe Guyovich banned Vladimir Putin.
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Welcome to the 21st century, where we watch wars on webcams.
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KitConstantine posted:Not going great in the north maybe. War is horrific.
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Zhanism posted:Who is this? That’s Steinrokken.
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Mr Hootington posted:I hope nato does a no fly zone! I don't.
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Mr Hootington posted:Why not? It would really give Old vlad a bloody nose. Show him we mean business! Follow it up with a SWIFT announcement. because then even more people would die, and that's bad.
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Judakel posted:I've been hearing about stuff like this for a couple of days, but this is the first time I've seen videos of it. Horrific and unsurprising.
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Vietnom nom nom posted:The problem is you're drawing arbitrary lines in the sand of history. I mean I could just as easily point to the scarring effects of 20+ million people dying in World War 2 for the USSR, or the deep apathy and resignation to having autocratic corrupt leaders due to never having anything but that. Ooooooooh that Matthew Perry.
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Shifty Pony posted:I am beyond shocked they that Musk actually came through in a timely manner. Like anything Musk-involved we'll see if it actually works.
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting cut timing in this video. mi guska, su guska
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i keep seeing this video get posted, be advised this bald dude is a PUA sex tourist who hangs around eastern europe abusing women, after he abandoned his family in england skipping out on a rape conviction loving yikes
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498480746855649288 crabs are incapable of lying. republicans...
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(CW: War) Ukraine v Russia: Please do not hack nuclear reactors.
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KitConstantine posted:I repeat, this song loving whips Pretty god drat grim.
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Bionic Psyker posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444 "military bloggers" the age we live in
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Gripweed posted:It is extremely not.
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Riptor posted:Richard Engel is that person but he's relaying what Josh Lederman, who I know nothing about, is saying: https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1499117617969340420?s=20&t=DpQk2Ihr6SKbMBa9IbAHNg I can confidently state that Russian losses are somewhere between 5 and 1 million soldiers. Estimates vary.
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CommieGIR posted:A lot of the Ukrainians are calling the Russians 'Orcs' in reference to LOTR. If Tolkien considered the Elves to be French, and the Orcs their dark reflections, then logically the Orcs are Quebecois.
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