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Think the plan is to set up some sort of East Ukraine puppet state, as per usual? Russia just keeps doing the same thing to its neighbors over and over again
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think it will work I could see them attempt to conquer a bunch of territory on behalf of Donetsk and Luhansk
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TulliusCicero posted:This^ It is looking somewhat like Russia is biting off more than it can chew, although it's still early days. Difficult to say how Ukrainian resistance will continue to evolve
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Flesnolk posted:I'm confused at what seems to be a lot of signs of Russian logistical collapse. Their troops really shouldn't be running out of fuel or food two days into a war - I know stuff happens fast in modern wars, but come on. Keep in mind that we're mostly getting Ukrainian info about the situation, for whatever reason Russia's propaganda game really is not on point this time around - although that itself is possibly arguably a bad sign for the Russians. e: regardless, one aspect I'm not impressed with are these random-rear end air drops Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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Play posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quipA4hHCV4 The minimum goal of this invasion seems to be to similarly turn Ukraine into damaged goods, but that was basically already the case with Crimea and the two 'people's republics'. It's kind of shocking just how brazen and unnecessary this attack is, and I'm hoping it ends poorly for Putin (with minimal loss of life otherwise)
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Poland refusing to play WC play-off against Russia, according to the BBC live feed: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60517447 e: first Eurovision and now football, they've really done it now
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These random air drops are still weird as hell to me, even without any enemy units you would still struggle to occupy an entire city with just a few dozen soldiers
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Feb 26, 2022 11:29
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Libluini posted:Almost certainly not. It would be suicidal. Just sacrificing large chunks of your army only works in video games, were you don't have to content with things like mutinies or cratering morale. It would be a very stereotypically WW2-Russian thing to do, which means I'm sceptical as well. I think they're just loving up a lot of their attacks rather than purposely sacrificing troops
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Feb 26, 2022 11:49
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Seems like the Bitcoin drive is actually legit and they've raised the equivalent of more than nine million dollars so far: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60517447
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Drone_Fragger posted:Russia had no plan, it was literally "march towards Kiev with our big numbers and zelensky will surrender and all the Ukraine army will surrender and then all the ukranians will wave Russia flags and hoot And holler to celebrate their liberation from the yoke of ukranian fascism" While I'm tempted to agree, I remember people earlier in the thread were pointing out that the Battle of Baghdad took several weeks...so I suppose that if Russia achieves its objectives within the following days, that's still arguably a success. Problem is that it's not very clear what those objectives even are.
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nurmie posted:I'm kind of sensing that Russian forces are not particularly interested in anything west of the Dnieper, tbh. All pushes towards Lvov/Odessa thus far seemed to be feints. You think it will end with Russia attempting to set up an integrated puppet state across Eastern Ukraine? It's possible, they would struggle to hold the West (particularly Lviv) long-term.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There’s a “referendum” in Belarus today, on allowing Russian nukes to be deployed in Belarus. I've got a feeling I somehow know the result already
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Feb 27, 2022 11:20
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Does the Ukrainian government still have donation links up? I know they were asking for Bitcoins (lol) yesterday. Wouldn't mind supporting them in some capacity.
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steinrokkan posted:there was a legit link, but probably also a bunch of opportunist fakes Yeah, the main link being legit was what I'd gathered as well. I see the argument for prioritizing proper charity, but this is a situation where one side is so obviously in the right that I wouldn't mind supporting them directly.
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Charliegrs posted:I've seen a few videos like this where regular citizens are stepping in front of tanks. I'm surprised as hell that the Russians haven't been shooting at them when they do that. I wonder if that speaks to the level of morale that the average Russian soldier has right now in Ukraine. Like I'm sure many of them don't really believe the bullshit they've been hearing from Russian media about Ukrainians all being Nazis and whatnot. And Ukrainians arent super foreign to Russians like they share very similar cultures and of course most Ukrainians speak Russian. It probably must feel like if American soldiers were sent to invade Canada. The one thing with this sort of propaganda is that it kind of cuts both ways, presupposing a measure of restraint or humanity on the part of the aggressor. I'm reminded of how the Chinese government frames the famous Tank Man picture from the Tiananmen Square protests, when forced to comment on it.
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282 Thanks for the repost!
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I've been out of the loop - does Russia now have full control over Mariupol? Kharkiv fortunately still seems to be holding out, though in the south Russia's been advancing more than I would have liked.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mariupol holds strong. That's good, but it's worrying just how many Ukrainian cities are under Russian siege at the moment.
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Might have been posted already, but Unilever and L'Oreal now also pulling back from Russia: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155 All of these withdrawals have to be severely impacting the average Russian at this point.
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How are u posted:I genuinely find them to be beautiful Same, honestly. They're sleek and elegant in a minimalistic way.
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Sinteres posted:Yeah we've been pretty successful at establishing a collective punishment regime against the average Russian. Even worse, as energy and grain prices continue to rise, that punishment seems likely to extend to much of the rest of the world too. It's unfortunate that regular citizens are suffering, but if they even theoretically affect Russia's ability to wage war, the sanctions are worth it. Putin getting removed from power is too much to hope for, unfortunately
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PerilPastry posted:Globally just about everyone's long since switched to just in time delivery rather than warehousing like in the old days, right? So it's not like stores are going to be sitting on a massive stockpile of conditioner or Adidas to cover shortfalls in stock. That's a good point, we should be seeing the effects fairly quickly. Like Snowy I'd also like to get some sort of glance at how life has changed for Russians already
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Sinteres posted:I don't think causing people in poor countries to starve to "even theoretically" help people in Europe is a good trade, but it's completely unsurprising that elites in the global North feel that way. Russia is at least partly in Europe, and all these divestments can only occur because it was closely economically interconnected with the 'global North' to begin with.
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After McDonald's, now Starbucks is pausing operations: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155
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Ukraine has weapons, of mass destruction, and needs to be stopped!Dick Ripple posted:Anyone know the current situation in and around Kyiv? Last I heard the Russians were ready to assault it, but they just seem to still be hanging out in that convoy. Is Kyiv surrounded? Or are weapons and supplies still being delivered? Also, what are the odds Zelensky films himself in urban combat? According to the BBC, the Ukrainians are still dug in near Kyiv, and the city has not been fully surrounded (yet). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60671329
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the popes toes posted:Earlier mentioned but appears now they'll go through with it. No reason to have a cold grill at McD's just sitting there. Once again 
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:People always flee from the winning country in a war, right? I'd be so angry if I were Russian. Just trying to live your life and then the boss man decides to start an unwinnable war, thereby also completely destroying the economy in the process
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I've been using this site to keep track of developments: https://liveuamap.com/ I like that it marks everything on the map
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KitConstantine posted:Apparently Russian forces pulled out of Skadovsk - there were two helicopters shot down in that area earlier today. I just found out Kherson Oblast is run by a governor from the We Have To Live Here party I love that sassy party name
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Sucrose posted:So this upcoming Russian push on Kyiv is pretty much going to be the thing that decides the war, right? If the Russians fail and take huge losses trying to storm Kyiv, it pretty much means that they're never going to take it and are going to just keep taking losses until they totally collapse. There's no way they can take Kyiv without incurring heavy losses, but unfortunately I wouldn't say that means they're completely unable to take it if they commit. If they do manage it, yeah, wait for the oblast to be turned into another fail Democratic People's Republic
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Reading on https://liveuamap.com/ that 2,187 civilians have been killed by shelling in Mariupol alone, which seems insane and a war crime
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’m not sure if that figure is accurate, as local authorities reported “just” 1600 a day or two ago. Either way, it’s an undeniable atrocity, and anyone having the gall to clamour about Russian liberators should be sent photos of Mariupol mass graves, which officials were forced to resort to a few days ago already. I've read that Mariupol strongly backed Yanukovych back in the day, but with these atrocities that are being committed by the Russians I highly doubt that will translate into support for the occupying forces, or interest in setting up another garbage people's republic. e: my mistake, they'd be part of Donetsk Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Mar 13, 2022 |
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OddObserver posted:Mariupol is Akhmetov's town. Akhemtov has previously aligned himself with Yanukovich, yes, but he is loyal to himself first. Right, but do they have any desire to become a part of the DPR, let alone Russia? Russia's biggest mistake, it seems, has been the equation of Russian speakers and Russians, and of Russians and collaborators.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:No one has any desire to be a part of DNR, it’s a hellhole according to literally everyone - Ukrainians within and without, and Russians. Do you have a source? I totally believe it though, if I lived in Kherson or any other occupied city I would also be trying my absolute hardest to halt the creation of yet another tiny, partially recognized 'people's republic' forever doomed to remain within Russia's orbit.
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Is there some sort of list of Russian brands/companies we could or should be boycotting? My dad's already stopped pumping gas at filling stations owned by Lukoil.Alchenar posted:Yeah as Kofman has tweeted, it looks like the Russian military is very deliberately now going down a target list of industry in the country and blowing it up. God Russia is almost cartoonishly evil
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Majorian posted:Again, you need a strong economy to fund a war machine big enough to invade, occupy, and/or annex fairly large countries like Ukraine. Russia did have a big economy going into this war; it's not going to have as big of one coming out of it. It won't be able to fund the scale of military operations that it has over the past couple decades. It's going to look a lot more like Russia in the 90s. Did Russia really have such a big economy to begin with, though? The comparison I've heard a few times now is that their economy is (was?) the size of that of the Benelux. Agreed that they're going to struggle to fund more military adventures, regardless.
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Majorian posted:Yeah, their GDP in 2021 was basically the same as those three countries combined. In fairness, though, Netherlands and Belgium have moderately large economies of their own, and growth has been sluggish at best for Russia over the past few years. Obviously that's only going to get worse going forward. Yeah. It's GDP in nominal terms, not PPP (purchasing power parity), but that factoid still struck me when I heard it. They just don't have a lot of economic margin.
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Deteriorata posted:Another small success on a slow news day: Very small city, but still nice to see. Really close to the Russian border, too. I wonder if they've made other gains near Kyiv or Kharkiv since then.
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This seems like a nonsensical thing to do even ignoring Putin's statements about not wanting conscripts "Surely it will do wonders for our army's morale if we specifically conscript anti-war protesters"
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OddObserver posted:Seems like evidence of forced deportations is mounting: I doubt it's tens of thousands, but the fact that it's happening at all is really hosed up.
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