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Both countries have a big problem with fascist ideology but neither one is really dominated by it. I don't think Zelensky is a Nazi I can tell you what would make things worse for them, though: a bloody war. Iran didn't go full psycho mode and start mass executions of communists until the Iran-Iraq war. A Russian invasion could make for extremely bad times in both Russia and Ukraine
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orcane posted:Russian military directly invaded and stopped the Ukrainian advance that was about to significantly pushing back the Russian-backed mobsters in the summer of 2014. There's nothing home grown about the "separatists" in Donbas. Igor Girkin married into a Ukrainian family so he's basically a native
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Feb 14, 2022 21:00
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Dante80 posted:It is not really complicated guys..everyone is loving bad, and innocent people always suffer due to them. T_T but that means the innocent people are also bad
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Red and Black posted:Can someone give me a run down on what evidence there is that Russia even invaded the Donbass? This guy's the one who dragged Russia into the Donbass war, if you believe him: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598 https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1491120509299347461 Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Feb 14, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That’s not his account, as far as I know. Last I checked him, he was only active on his VK page. Well gently caress, that makes a lot more sense then. Some of the older text posts on that account read as explicitly pro-invasion so I assumed it was him
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If he quietly winds down the mobilization I don't think he'll suffer too many external consequences from this other than every Ukrainian soldier in Donbass dual wielding javelins. He can even quip a few zingers at all the international hysteria triggered by a few ~exercises~
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Conspiratiorist posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1493381856393375745 I can see why Trump never got his tank parade, those things look like a huge pain to deal with
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BoldFace posted:Some minor (?) power outages happening in Kharkiv. https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493728930406092800
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Conspiratiorist posted:BREAKING NEWS: Someone got close enough for the Reuters stream to pick up and started playing the Soviet Anthem. Now they're playing Komm Susser Tod. I think it's whoever's manning the PC Reuters is streaming from, I hear them moving in their chair and putting down a coffee cup sometimes edit: they just said "gently caress jannies" with an american accent, did Reuters contract a 4chan guy for this  looks like it's streaming from one of the upper floors of Hotel Ukraine Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Why should we care about Putin or Russia if the US has no legitimate role or interest in the region other than Ukraine being a lucrative market for arms sales and international development loans? That's a good question, why even discuss this? Very few people here will be personally affected if Putin invades Ukraine, maybe it's weird to be concerned about the welfare of people thousands of miles away
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GreyjoyBastard posted:2) lol sputnik isn't a reliable source for anything except "here's a slightly more unhinged version of what the russian state would like to promulgate" Still, it's interesting to know what that is
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Bathtub Cheese posted:https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/1494740272227536896 Hopefully he's right and Biden just looks like a real dummy for predicting an invasion that never happens
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Rodiel posted:Biden is being pushed by a faction of the US elite that wants a new cold war. They don't care about Ukraine or even the US. They just want to keep the cash flowing. What do you make of what's going on in Ukraine, then? Surely things are happening that Biden had no power to set in motion himself https://twitter.com/nevedimka123/status/1494727967116873740
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Wang Yi also said during that speech that Russia's concerns wrt Ukraine should be respected, but it still throws a wrench into the 'China has signed off on Putin seizing the Ukrainian clay' hypothesis
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Rodiel posted:Sorry for double posting again but I wanted to address this. the footprint of Russian armed forces has increased bigly in the last couple months, and whereas most of the year's buildup was materiel in storage without crews a lot of manned armour has appeared in the last two weeks https://mobile.twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1494295353897754625
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Rodiel posted:Yeah thats bad. I'm not on the side of the Russians, but I cant countenance this western propaganda sorry. Typical american, dismissing anything that doesn't align with your worldview as state propaganda smh
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Has anyone seen any pictures of the building allegedly damaged by Ukrainian grad fire in Rostov oblast’? https://t.me/sputnikossetia/13514
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Rodiel posted:I admit i hosed up. I shouldn't have met his racism with more racism. Let's say that, somehow, Biden is right and Putin does invade Ukraine - obviously impossible, but just as a thought experiment - would such an invasion by Putin be justified, in your opinion?
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https://t.me/rian_ru/146427 is this significant or have they proposed this before? (auto-translated from Russian) quote:The CSTO Secretary General said that with the consent of the Ukrainian authorities and with the sanction of the UN Security Council , peacekeepers of the organization could be brought into the Donbass
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Terminal autist posted:Why is the US in a position to accuse or even have intelligence on the ceasefire? afaik none of the OSCE monitors in Ukraine right now are americans https://twitter.com/NRC_Egeland/status/1492575522630557704
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OddObserver posted:It's also posted by an organization that doesn't know WTF Wagner is, and thus clearly fails the test of being posted by someone with half a clue. To their credit, they did acknowledge their mistake https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1494832226638483456
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MSB3000 posted:Ban me if human civilization dies in nuclear hellfire. If not, make me a mod. thats a bad deal, modding is a drag
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CommieGIR posted:Maybe, but Putin is also the sort of KGB Troll that would release attack orders and then retract them once the US reported on them just to fluster people in the intel community. I still think this is pretty likely, the pre-recorded evacuation crisis video was stored in a folder called 'mongoose throw' (I've seen some translate it as 'mongoose strike' instead)  Mongooses (mongeese?) are animals that hunt a lot like small cats, they tire prey out with feigned attacks. The huge troop movements could just be a feint to exhaust the Ukrainians and make accomplishing some other goal easier, with fake invasion plans being fed to the americans to make them look stupid when nothing happens Alternatively, engineering a crisis in Donbass could be a bid to distract the army from an attack on Kyiv and/or Kharkiv, but that still seems insane to me. Attacking Kyiv would horrify the world, including a lot of Russians. It would turn a lot of reliably anti-nato actors against putin https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1494818918086631425
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probably this: edit: yea that
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Knightsoul posted:In 2018, at the bucharest convention, our genius NATO officers declared boldly that we would integrate into our happy family called NATO, countries like Ukraine and Georgia. you mean 2008 right also Ukraine wouldn't be such an albatross around putin's neck if he had kept the bodycount under 1000 like he did in Georgia. Every drop of blood shed will make this worse for him. The Germans don't want to cancel Nordstream 2 but they will not countenance the massive loss of life that an invasion of Ukraine would involve
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Knightsoul posted:This would certainly put an end to this mess I don't think it would. 2014 happened over Ukraine signing an association agreement with the EU, a Finlandized Ukraine is not acceptable to Putin
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brakeless posted:feels like the obvious next escalation is demanding that ukr forces cease their occupation of supposedly they're only recognizing the de facto borders for now, but we'll see https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1495857833107243010
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V. Illych L. posted:so this probably means that nord stream 2 is gone, doesn't it? big sacrifice for not a lot of gain I'm guessing the pipeline only goes if Russia seizes more territory they didn't already occupy, with bigtime loss of life (which is still pretty likely imo) leaving things like this would drive a wedge between the US and Germany on the issue though, and Biden was facing gop pressure to sanction the pipeline even before all this went down
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HonorableTB posted:This is ridiculous. Why are they now being ambiguous about this? probably they still expect Putin to invade government held territory and are trying to give him an out before people start dying in huge numbers
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Gripweed posted:For the past couple days it seemed like the general vibe was "Putin is a MADMAN who is risking WW3 and the future of his entire country, any move he makes now will be a massive mistake" And then he went and did it and it's like, there might be some sanctions but otherwise there's nothing we can do about it. he ain't really done it yet, the expectation is he's still working up to the it
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Cugel the Clever posted:Yeah, I regret, but can understand why there's not much grassroots mobilization in the West. The relative silence and, in some cases, even support for the Russian invasion by supposed "anti-war" groups, though, is loving disgusting. The thing is, a lot of them truly believed that the threat of Putin invading was nonsense drummed up by Biden. Some are re-evaluating things after his speech today https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1495905779077029889
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GABA ghoul posted:I've also seen the exact opposite claims from media. Apparently the language is deliberately vague and can be interpreted both ways. Hope someone digs up the actual text soon. https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1496075653392834561 https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1496077705078611970 weird, this seems like a really important thing to get everyone on the same page for
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steinrokkan posted:The quick explanation is that Trump was a pliable moron who would be likely to get swayed by the military chiefs and other hawks to do god knows what. Just like he basically gave a blank check to them vis a vis Syria. Remember when Trump smoked something like hundred of Russian Wagner mercs like it was nothing? yeah Trump would have happily started ww3 if he felt slighted https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1305848320569626624
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HonorableTB posted:I was checking out the air traffic radar and saw this, and it reminded me of our resident goon who was going to take Wizz Air to Ukraine around this time, when he posted about a week ago...friend are you ok?? they're still posting as of today, I dont know if they ended up taking the flight or now
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acidx posted:^^^Who asked them? different alleged crash from the shootdown, I think Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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freeasinbeer posted:If it wasn’t headed direct to a war zone they might have kept the transponder on? 🤷♀️ yeah once I looked at it on flightradar's map I realized its a different location, I think the alleged shootdown was way south of that
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Sinteres posted:Shouldn't it be up to Ukraine to decide if there's any chance for a better way out than mass death rather than someone sitting comfortably in Washington? it could be posturing to help Zelensky secure a peace deal ("the americans HATE this!") but thats probably giving the state dept too much credit
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Paracausal posted:https://twitter.com/PutinIsAVirus/status/1498013700543983619 almost certainly a hack or a sympathetic person on the inside, the same thing happened yesterday I think
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Live UA is down again. works on my machine it's constantly getting hammered so you gotta give it a couple tries, I haven't seen it go down for real in a while
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TheRat posted:A couple of pages back american intelligence estimated between 500 and 5000 but said it was very hard to get accurate numbers. So yeah, 9k is almost certainly about as accurate as the ghost of kyiv doing that ejection RPG move from Call of Duty this is heinous bf1942 erasure
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