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Paladinus posted:Apropos of nothing, the legendary Fisiel advert. gotta reuse all the leftover costumes from мама somehow i guess Bright Bart posted:What language are you coming from? english having learned russian and then spent a lot of time looking at polish, belarusian, and ukrainian (with some occasional south or east slavic languages or even lithuanian thrown in for fun) you get a feel for how orthography evolved or reformed around similar things after a while, and can understand the gist of something based on roots. spoken language is usually much harder, since it changes more quickly than orthography. the connection between "silni w sojuszu" and "сильные в союзе" (idk what the proper translation there is, the cases don't quite align but close enough) or "od 25 lat" and "от 25 лет" isn't that hard to make if you understand how vowel and consonant shifts happen, so you can pick those out other things are quite different, like the lexical difference between "razem" and "вместе", though i can still look at the former and intuit "something "raz"-ish and make a bit more sense out of it looking at how various "raz"-adjacent words are formed in polish versus how russian might use "раз" in other contexts. synthetic languages are fun! the speech thing i wasn't talking about english accents. there's a very particular, similar register of speech used for voiceovers in adverts that's similar across slavic languages. idk why, but it exists
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My thought on hearing Russian gangsters in Cyberpunk: "oh no, they use the same kind of diction as people in dubious quality detectives my mom likes to watch!"... like there is definitely some sort of cultural conventions involved in these sorts of things.
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Bright Bart posted:
Polish, Czech and Slovak, being Western Slavic languages, are odd ducks. quote:I hear Czech and, no offense, it sounds like a grown Czech person is trying to immitate how a young Polish child would speak. I love how Czech word for loudspeaker is the same as Polish word for breeder. (reproduktor)
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as far as russian/east european accents in american popular media, hey, cmon! we've been improving! there were plenty of actual russians in The Americans and Chernobyl took the "they just need to sound _some sort of foreign_ so everyone's british" angle. sadly i cannot find the one wonderful "beep. beep. beeeeeeeeeeeeeep" scene between costa ronin and vera chernySzarrukin posted:Polish, Czech and Slovak, being Western Slavic languages, are odd ducks. iirc from my long long ago historical linguistics project about differentiation between east, west, and south slavic languages re the fall of the jers, there's actually a weird "east, west, south, and whatever the gently caress polish is doing distinction, where usually dropped vowels resolve via some change to pitch, stress, or length, but polish just discards everything, and then has further fun with german (with maybe some borrowed french bits because it's ~fashionable~) orthographic influence in other news, ramzan's maybe dead again, an event that's expected to result in all sorts of fun https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3423e469-31a6-4db5-b357-d56d05bec5f8?shareToken=824e424b066ec8f44fea0c91b7d6590e https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/04/25/heirs-and-spares-en
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:"east, west, south, and whatever the gently caress polish is doing distinction, where usually dropped vowels resolve Eastern Europe: east slavs, west slavs, south slavs and whatever the gently caress Poland is doing
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some goon posted:The dnd eastern europe thread is so loving vile lmao The gently caress did we do now, is it the accents chat or strange TV ads?  Guess them uppity slavs having a place to chat is really pissing off some people on SA.
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Apr 29, 2024 10:28
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Mokotow posted:The gently caress did we do now, is it the accents chat or strange TV ads? its stuff like this Bright Bart posted:re: Sending people back to be unwilling conscripts
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Mokotow posted:The gently caress did we do now, is it the accents chat or strange TV ads? You dared to assert your right to live in the Real Politik scene rather than walking into the gas chambers like they would prefer you to.
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Bright Bart posted:
English speaker here, I know a bunch of words in Polish but I don't speak it, been living in Poland for over a decade. I speak from experience when I say that the Polish accent (in english at least) is incredibly hard to place, if I were constructing a stage accent for polish I'm not even sure where I'd start.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:English speaker here, I know a bunch of words in Polish but I don't speak it, been living in Poland for over a decade. I speak from experience when I say that the Polish accent (in english at least) is incredibly hard to place, if I were constructing a stage accent for polish I'm not even sure where I'd start. I’m trying to think of a Polish actor speaking English in a movie and Olbrychski’s role in Salt came to mind, but he was a playing an old soviet agent. Anyhow, there’s a bunch if people on YouTube and I think this guy sounds like 85% of Poles speaking English: https://youtu.be/JS0aWS7uSzQ?si=JvrDrrf_V-g1BZ-c It’s a bit more rounded and nasal, I want to say? Russian accent is very sharp and hard by comparison, using layman’s terms.
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Mokotow posted:I’m trying to think of a Polish actor speaking English in a movie and Olbrychski’s role in Salt came to mind, but he was a playing an old soviet agent. Yeah that video sure sounds like most Poles I talk to. I think the biggest difference with the more Russian-style accents is that Poles can do a normal 'l'.
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Mokotow posted:I’m trying to think of a Polish actor speaking English in a movie and Olbrychski’s role in Salt came to mind, but he was a playing an old soviet agent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4S5gE3hL2U It's exaggerated but pretty spot on
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I did used to buy weed from a guy in Warsaw who was Polish but 100% spoke like a russian gangster in a movie, no idea if it was put-on or natural- he was also a decently known rapper so it might have been part of his persona. No idea.
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Apr 29, 2024 12:41
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Please tell me it was Tede
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Mokotow posted:I’m trying to think of a Polish actor speaking English in a movie and Olbrychski’s role in Salt came to mind, but he was a playing an old soviet agent. I think the big difference is the emphasis. The polish accent is fairly flat, whereas Russian tries to put the emphasisis the middle of words.
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Haystack posted:I think the big difference is the emphasis. The polish accent is fairly flat, whereas Russian tries to put the emphasisis the middle of words. Huh, proper English stress is pretty easy to pick up in my experience, though. (Unlike the full range of sounds).
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It's all about vowel quality (Polish basically doesn't have the neutral schwa sound, while Russian does) and 'default' softness/hardness of consonants (especially L, but also stuff like secondary palatalisation, when a consonant becomes soft before another soft consonant). The emphasis also plays into it, but because everyday English vocabulary words tend to be one-two syllables long, it doesn't actually come up as much. A Polish speaker would be more likely to stress 'a' in 'emphasis', for example even if it's a word they commonly use, while a Russian speaker would have less trouble adapting to stressing the first syllable in longer words. This also applies to some extent to sentence stress.
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According to my wife, polish accent is when you pronounce ⟨ʌ⟩ as ⟨ʊ⟩, and every of your sentences is in a rising register.
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Mokotow posted:The gently caress did we do now, is it the accents chat or strange TV ads? Ko im jebe mater
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I'm just wondering if this is due to an actual bad take (e.g. Russophiles being mad we don't pay homage, while at the same time being Slavophobes), based on not having read the thread at all (e.g. the name Eastern Europe making the person think it must be full of homophobic chauvanists), or something outright bizarre (I am a BYOB poster for the most part and when we sent our Holiday card to the other forums one year a former mod had a breakdown saying BYOB is full of sexist, homophobic, transphobic, neoliberal alt-right trolls who only pretend to be nice, and how seeing the letters BYOB in *their* forum is a trigger; you might think being on a comedy forum this might pass for a joke but they got really worked up about it while people who knew them had to try to calm them down). That last was sad to see on the one hand but oddly super flattering that we're so nice someone might never think it's genuine and that we must be alt-right trolls in reality. Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Certain parts of the forum being pissed at you is a good thing
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They are mad at you daring to exist.
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The most generous interpretation I can come up with is that the poster presumes we're all Brits or from the US poking fun of backwards eastern Europe, like a D&D version of the GBS threads about China, EE etc. etc. were. If that's the case, thank you for defending the dignity of CEE, kind friend. Antigravitas posted:They are mad at you daring to exist. Hold on, are you sure we *aren't* vile scum? Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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Heck no, I loathe Eastern Europe too much to not be from there.
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Bright Bart posted:The most generous interpretation I can come up with is that the poster presumes we're all Brits or from the US poking fun of backwards eastern Europe, like a D&D version of the GBS threads about China, EE etc. etc. were. I searched the text, you nailed it, they think everyone posting in here is from the USA -- just like them. It's projection. Caveat: Canadian expat living in Denmark here, so interested in events just to the east.
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Rust Martialis posted:I searched the text, you nailed it, they think everyone posting in here is from the USA -- just like them. Yep, this is it. Classic Freud!
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Americans complaining that there are Americans on the American forum, especially in the one thread where there are not that many Americans (which is bad, there should be more Americans to make sue the non-Americans don't do ideological crimes)
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Uh, what: https://twitter.com/donaldtusk/status/1784883814080106906#m Something about what's apparently the Polish oil company and Hezbollah?
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Apparently there are concerns that Orlen was using a Swiss subsidiary to circumvent sanctions? Though Hezbollah seems like a really bizarre connection
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Orlen opened a Swiss subsidiary for oil trading. Orlen's CEO hired a dude from Lebanon to run the company. During the vetting process, both Orlen's internal security and Polish intelligence rang alarm bells that the CEO has ties to Hezbollah and that due to no oversight, the company may be used for illegal oil trading on international markets. Still, they went ahead with everything and it seems that Orlen has indeed participated in trading embargoed oil and also managed to lose 370 milion EUR to a Hong Kong intermediary company owned by a 26-year old. 
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I'm not saying Hezbollah aren't involved. But I take it with a grain of salt when a politician, any politician, namedrops organizations like this. They often do it when the real party involved is not as well known to voters, or at least doesn't get people riled up as much. It's like sex to them. Wildfires in California? Could it be the work of lone arsonists? No. Definitely BLM. A bridge collapses in England? Structural fault? Nope. Clearly ISIS. Working with the woke mob. Or going back a couple of decades, Iraq is controlled by the Ba'ath party? Let's just call it Al Quaeda and be done for the day; people already know who those guys are.
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Yeah, the Hezbollah thing seems like its used to play the whole thing up. They haven't actually said anything more concrete, other than the fact he was "suspected". The worst part is the Swiss Orlen CEO guys was under investigation for VAT fraud in Poland starting in 2013, though it's unclear when exactly this investigation was started. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/polands-tusk-calls-prosecutor-over-potential-orlen-scandal-2024-04-29/
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Bright Bart posted:
Everyone from eastern europe is a secret nazi, have you forgotten?
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Mokotow posted:managed to lose 370 milion EUR to a Hong Kong intermediary company owned by a 26-year old. I read a tiny bit about this a while back but don't know if there were any details beyond what you just said, maybe the dude's name, and maybe how he did it. But I'm seriously wondering how he conned a large corporation into this. Was he one of those highly charismatic sociopaths that can convince people of anything even while those removed from the situation and haven't met them consider them sleezy? (That happened in a few high profile cases from recent years in the US.) Did he fake it until he made it, using the absurdity of being a multi-millionaire CEO at 26 to convince people hey this kid must know what he's doing? Did he promised Orlen to quadruple their investment via Bitcoin? Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Apr 29, 2024 |
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What I can suss out is there was a window last year when Venezuelan oil was not embargoed and Orlen decided to use intermediaries to secure some of it with unsecured prepayments. There's no mention how they'd look for these intermediaries, and I think this is the crux of the whole Swiss Orlen thing, but most of them turned out to be bogus and the prepayments were lost. I don't think this was some Frank Abigail type charismatic guy, but rather an organized money syphoning op, probably conducted by the Orlen Switzerland CEO. To add insult to injury, Orlen also booked oil tankers to pick up the Venezuelan oil, and while the delivery never materialized, the tankers were anchored ready and waiting outside Venezuela, generating anchoring and rental costs to the tune of 30 mil USD.
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Don't forget that we're talking about people who during Covid decided to secure broken respirators from a weapons dealer blacklisted by the UN. This administration wasn't exactly a stranger to running shady deals.
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lol the news article linked mentioned that Orlen dude claims Tusk is only going after him since he's going to run in the next elections. Because of course he is. Because all of these clowns become politicians for some inane reason rather than retiring permanently to a tropical island. (The reason, without being an armchair psychologist, I'm assuming is that they're addicted to power.) They say that being a CEO is a job for life. Even if you screws up massively again and again you'll keep getting chances as the top man or woman Because, alledgedly, the pool of qualified executive really is that small. Being a corruption CEO is a job for life as well. You might not get another shot. But you can make a nice living with book deals and the speaker circuit as long as the court sentence doesn't explicitly prevent you from using your past crimes for your future profit in this way. It's also seemingly all too easy to parlay being a corruption business person into becoming a politician. If you push the right buttons the fact that you stole millions doesn't matter. Because LGBTQ+ and abortions on the one hand. Or that at least they're not a homophobe right winger on the other. This applies even of the money you stole was from taxpayers. And even if you claim to be a small government conservative. I think it was Rick Scott in Florida who was likely responsible for millions upon millions of Medicare fraud on his watch as CEO of a healthcare management organization. At the time he claimed he was a figurehead who played golf all day and had zero idea what was going on even at board meeting since he didn't attend them. Years later, he turns around and when running for office claims that he turned that HMO into a profitable powerhouse all thanks to him. He became governor. He's still in some office to this day. Finally, it's par for the course for these people to claim that evidence of their wrongdoing is evidence of persecution by political enemies. It might actually score them points overall with the base. And to be fair in many countries, unfortunately, being a private citizen being accused of "corruption" *is* a hint that the government is trying to stiffle opposition. In any semi-stable democracy that's less so the case. Good night!
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It’s not even that Obajtek was a CEO - he was the mayor of Pcim, a city literally synonymous in Polish with the middle of nowhere forgotten town. He had his fair share of shady deals, but this was all local low level stuff. Obajtek was then under investigation and tapes were leaked of him conducting local business, where it’s clear this he is a crashed and repaired car imported from Germany salesman type of person - just literally kurwa and gówno every second word. PiS basically needs an army of CEOs for government owned companies. While they get huge salaries, it’s also expected they all kick back a percentage to the party HQ, hire family members who also kick some money back to the party and use their company’s marketing funds to funnel towards PiS-friendly media and organizations. The actual business skill required is nil, and you could say Obajtek lucked into Orlen, though I think it’s dawning on him he might have been less a chosen one and more a fall guy, the way things are looking.
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