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This is the place to talk about Eastern Europe - anything debatable or discussable, unless:
To clarify, talking about Russia and Ukraine is fine. What you must not talk about here is the military conflict between the two countries. Speaking in your local Eastern European is fine, given appropriate conversation. Foreigners, a significant number of thread regulars are locals from various bits and bobs of Eastern Europe, so if you see Egyptian, please, just ask for translation, instead of expecting it, or otherwise moaning about not speaking Church Slavonic in the year of our lord 2022. To give you a rough idea of where Eastern Europe is, red is Eastern Europe, green is honorary Eastern Europe, and pink is brother and sister regions.  Previous thread can be found here. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2022 20:08
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Oh, seems like I broke the old thread. I'll just repost myself then... In Budapest, about 2500 protestors gathered to defend freedom of speech in... Finland?  Yes actually, the Finnish Christian Democratic MP and former interior minister Päivi Räsänen has been at court today in Helsinki facing accusations of incitement against homosexuals. Defense claims she was just citing the Bible and therefore this falls within religious freedom but the prosecutor claims that as a political authority she should think of other ways of addressing sexual minorities than painting them as immoral degenerates.She has received support from a bunch of US senators, too. If she's found guilty and charged with fines, then whoopee, maybe USA will call us the den of evil or something Soros related and send Marines to liberate us! 
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Feb 14, 2022 20:13
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Picking up on last thread 🇭🇺 chat One of the most fascinating EE things for me is the Finland-Estonia-Hungary connection. They share a language group but Hungary is ten million km away from both Estonia and Finland. I guess it kinda makes sense they’d get involved into each other’s poo poo at some point.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:14
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Are you SURE Mongolia isn't in Eastern Europe? Should at least be honorary, given the status of Finland.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:21
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I agree Mongolia should have an honorary membership in the EU, though I’ve just had a read and it seems the claims of however-many-percent of Europeans being descended from Genghis is myth (even though some 16 million people in Asia could be). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan
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Feb 14, 2022 20:30
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Czechia not in EE? People in Grozny will be upset
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Feb 14, 2022 20:32
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^^ oh for gently caress’s sake, that I must fixendlessmonotony posted:Are you SURE Mongolia isn't in Eastern Europe? Paint budget is not a condom.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:32
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endlessmonotony posted:Are you SURE Mongolia isn't in Eastern Europe? In the same vein, Portugal being honorary Eastern Europe due to various socioeconomic metrics is a Reddit meme I've noticed. I'll reserve judgement on whether it's true until I get a chance to visit.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:33
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Dwesa posted:Czechia not in EE? People in Grozny will be upset I will not stand for this! 
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Feb 14, 2022 20:33
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Czechia is coming home.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:39
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the second-angriest i've ever seen a polish person get is when i accidentally called poland eastern european instead of central. the angriest is when he started complaining about immigration and "krakowstan" and i asked him to say the shahada with me
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Feb 14, 2022 20:44
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How is Mongolia's conversion from Cyrillic going anyway? Also, half of Estonia being honorary Nordic? Good map.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:46
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Czechia is coming home. Svalbard is, at least in part, also in Eastern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arktikugol
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Feb 14, 2022 20:48
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OddObserver posted:How is Mongolia's conversion from Cyrillic going anyway? quote:In March 2020, the Mongolian government announced plans to use both Cyrillic and the traditional Mongolian script in official documents by 2025. switching to native script has gotta be absolutely daunting, mostly due to what i assume is little to no digitization
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Feb 14, 2022 20:50
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Nenonen posted:Svalbard is, at least in part, also in Eastern Europe The invisible line later turns to the left. 
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Feb 14, 2022 20:51
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Well, most of Czechia is there on the map. And who gives a poo poo about Aš anyway.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:51
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Bringing back bigos chat lost in the last thread, because I’ll be drat if I let a good food post go to waste. quote:In the pots warmed the bigos; mere words cannot tell What Mickiewicz, strangely, fails to note is that bigos absolutely needs to stand for two or three days before you have at it. In a restaurant, you’ll find it under Bigos Myśliwski (Hunter’s Bigos) which an old commie joke would describe as “saurekraut on plate, meat in the forrest”.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:52
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What about Portugal
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Feb 14, 2022 20:53
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Maybe if Estado Novo was communist…
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Feb 14, 2022 20:54
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I consider it a personal failing that I could never learn to like bigos. It looked disgusting as a kid, and that stuck with me.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:55
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I think it’s absolutely normal - it smells like a motherfucker, doesn’t taste in any way interesting when you’re a kid and the pinnacle of your cravings is anything smothered in ketchup and, I will agree, looks like barf poo poo. Having said that, a proper one with good meats and real sour bread is amazing and I hadn’t had it in ages and I miss it. Can’t think where I could buy a proper one though.
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Feb 14, 2022 20:58
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Bigos needs a careful balance of taste: let it sit for too long and it gets to sour, not enough and it has no character. I was totally sure next Thursday is Fat Thursday, and now I'll need to get some Pączki.
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Feb 14, 2022 21:32
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Mokotow posted:I agree Mongolia should have an honorary membership in the EU, though I’ve just had a read and it seems the claims of however-many-percent of Europeans being descended from Genghis is myth (even though some 16 million people in Asia could be).
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Feb 14, 2022 21:41
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Could someone recommend a good book about the Baltics, and the then Russian areas that would later become Poland from the 1800's up to the First World War? History, politics, culture, everything. I have read quite a bit about the Russian Empire and it's actions then but not really about these parts. Weren't the Baltic German nobility still around? How did Estonian, Latvian and Lithuaninan languages fare under the Russian rule?
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Feb 14, 2022 21:53
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Budzilla posted:2 practical problems getting in the way of that. Russia and China. Mongolia is lucky she has been independent for as long as she has been. You could say Mongolia hasn't been fully sovereign until the fall of USSR, so not long. Since then it has drifted closer to China economically, but position between two nuclear states could mean that neither one will dare assert too much control over the country. And having a neutral buffer between them is just good for their mutual relations, given the past... I think we could still work out a membership in the Nordic Council as long as their reps are willing to speak Swedish.
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Feb 14, 2022 21:59
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Ataxerxes posted:Could someone recommend a good book about the Baltics, and the then Russian areas that would later become Poland from the 1800's up to the First World War? History, politics, culture, everything. I have read quite a bit about the Russian Empire and it's actions then but not really about these parts. Weren't the Baltic German nobility still around? How did Estonian, Latvian and Lithuaninan languages fare under the Russian rule? I’ll skip my literature recommendations, since chances are you don’t read Latvian. Apologies. Speaking of our language, it was preserved mostly in spoken form until 1850, when serfdom got abolished. That marked renaissance of Latvian language and the beginning of Latvian literature.
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Feb 14, 2022 22:13
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’ll skip my literature recommendations, since chances are you don’t read Latvian. Apologies. Yea, Finnish or English only, sadly. And that literacy thing is interesting. I remember reader and article about Ukraine I think (but I might misremember) at that time when the Russian authorities banned printing books in Ukrainian but re-printing old ones were allowed. People supposedly kept printing all sorts of stuff and insisting they were repringts of a particular innocent poetry books. Supposedly to this day no-one knows all the things that got printed under that one title. From Marx to mathematics books, supposedly everything.
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Feb 14, 2022 22:17
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Speaking of our language, it was preserved mostly in spoken form until 1850, when serfdom got abolished. That marked renaissance of Latvian language and the beginning of Latvian literature. You can't prove that it was ever spoken before that! You guys just invented it whole cloth to confuse everyone
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Feb 14, 2022 22:19
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Mokotow posted:(even though some 16 million people in Asia could be). Pet peeve, the 16 million number means something completely different than what people generally take it to mean. Assuming that the hypthesis is correct and that the haplogroup in question comes from Genghis, it would mean that there are 16 million men living in Asia who are direct male-line descendants from him. That is, for such a person the father of their father of their father ... of their father was Genghis. This is a much smaller group than the total of all his descendants, which also includes women, and men descended from women who descended from Genghis. Statistically, having 16M direct male line descendants means that the total amount of all your descendants is likely > 2 billion.
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Feb 14, 2022 22:23
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Just realized I know very little about the history of Mongolia’s statehood 🤔
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Feb 14, 2022 22:24
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Nenonen posted:You can't prove that it was ever spoken before that! You guys just invented it whole cloth to confuse everyone We have written records from Baltic-German nobles and clergy, that help assess the state of Latvian language before then. Stuff from 1850 (some hardcore existentialism) is what you get hit with by like the 7th grade literature class.
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Feb 14, 2022 23:13
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I always felt Polish was super young, coming into common use around the XVI century, but 1850… drat, that’s recent. Is there a Latvian national epic?
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Feb 14, 2022 23:35
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Mokotow posted:I always felt Polish was super young, coming into common use around the XVI century, but 1850… drat, that’s recent. Yes, Lāčplēsis. Twitter version: Bear kemonomimi born to Russian rapist bear and Latvian mother goes on Eurotrip. It was written in 1870s and 1880s.
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Feb 14, 2022 23:40
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Erm, is “the Bear Slayer” a ham fisted analogy? He’s slaying Russians, I mean? Edit: hm, seems actual bears do get shredded Edit2: There’s a lot of beef with Christians Mokotow fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Feb 14, 2022 |
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Feb 14, 2022 23:43
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Mokotow posted:Erm, is “the Bear Slayer” a ham fisted analogy? He’s slaying Russians, I mean? Yeah, it doesn't concern itself with Russians at all as written - some people have tried to force bear=Russia connection into the interpretation of it, however. Hence, I called that the "twitter version". In reality, it's a story about serfdom and the Crusades, and the closest the story has ever got to Russia is a specific rock opera interpretation of it. And "-plēsis" means "tearer", as in tearing a newspaper into two halves. The name stems from him grabbing his dad by the jaws and ripping him apart by pushing them open too far.
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Feb 14, 2022 23:56
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Slovenia completely covered by the line, as it should be no talking about vladivostok tho
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Feb 15, 2022 00:01
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Listen he tried twice ok????????
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Feb 15, 2022 00:06
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I'm surprised there's no honorary EE nations in Central and South America.
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Feb 15, 2022 00:14
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Whenever I read or hear about stuff in Argentina, I get strong EE vibes. But then there’s so much more there that makes it anything but 🤷♂️
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Feb 15, 2022 00:18
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Speaking of Latin America, are you folks getting their restaurants in your places? There has been a clear uptick of Argentinian and Brazilian food in steakhouses in Riga.
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Feb 15, 2022 00:24
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