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Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

barbecue at the folks posted:

Please don't open those wounds, Finland has a proud tradition of throwing great songs aside in favour of sending some forgettable lovely pop act that would've been relevant 20 years ago, finishing last and trying the same formula again next year :smith:

On the other hand, we got Lordi out of it.

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Oct 2, 2013

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I know this isn't exactly a chat thread but what kind of spicy foods do y'all have and how can the West use things like Mexican jalapenos to our strategic advantage?

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Oct 2, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Happy upcoming summer solstice celebrations! (Pretty sure that Baltics are the only EE countries tha celebrate it.)

Hyvää juhannusta cinci :unsmith:

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Oct 2, 2013

Nenonen posted:

In Finland it goes like

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Oct 2, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

My Finnish e-girls :(

Wille Rydman's account spotted

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Oct 2, 2013

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Rail Baltica project specifically is angling to get that done. It would own, I almost vomited on my last ferry to Helsinki.

Either drink more or less next time, friend

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

They're against many types of state organizations, isn't this a good step in your weltanschauung? Just have to nudge them a little further into rejecting all states as a concept!

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Oct 2, 2013

John Carpenter's Salad

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Oct 2, 2013

Nice

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Oct 2, 2013

Stay safe, buddy East European goons :smith:

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Oct 2, 2013

Tentative goongrats, Poligoons? :toot:

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Oct 2, 2013

Der Kyhe posted:

Isn't bug protein the "wonder ingredient" that makes animal food actually nutritious, instead of being 50% bone meal and other fillers?

So does this make man the long cockroach?

:hmmyes:

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

My favourite author is Stanislaw Lem. We can be friends, I think :unsmith:

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Oct 2, 2013

Finland has a historical connection to Eesti, but I suppose that has soured a little bit due to our alcoholic tourism.

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Oct 2, 2013

steinrokkan posted:

Much like mathematicians, economists keep promising that their work will lead to tangible benefits, yet here we are and decades of "research" have produced no real world application.

Firstly, number theory is beautiful and you can't convince me that isn't a tangible benefit. On top of that, most mathematicians at least agree on some common ground, economics as a field has major theories which are incompatible with each other.

Why yes I am a published mathematician and you triggered me :ohdear:

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Oct 2, 2013

Mokotow posted:

Numbers theory, like when you run out of fingers :confused:

That's why God gave you toes, my friend

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Oct 2, 2013

Hard-core trumpists are probably pro-murdering-our-political-opponents, see January 6th 2021.

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Oct 2, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

Propaganda where adults are turned gay or lesbian by Western decadence confuses me a little bit.

You would presume that the audience thinks of themselves as super manly men and upstanding women who couldn't be turned. So who is it meant to scare? People who know they're unconditionally straight but are worried their spouse will turn and leave them? People worried about their siblings who always seemed 'unconventional'? Retirees worried about their adult children? Or is it people not worried about themselves or their family but rather that society at large will turn homosexual and they won't feel comfortable at bars anymore?

I say "a little bit" because I figure they don't expect or want the audience to think too much about this.

That ad did contain a mention of the Equality Gulag or whatever the nonsense term was, the evil homonazis will obviously have camps and liquidations because everything these people do is projection

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Oct 2, 2013

Osmosisch posted:

It's so loving depressing seeing the amount of plastic bottles my in-laws use on any given day. I and my kids have been drinking the tapwater there without any trouble for a decade now but no sign of that changing their minds.

Probably a stupid question, but you don't have deposits on plastic bottles?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

We (Finland) seem to have a deposit on nearly all plastic bottles, even the flimsy ice tea half-litre ones. And half-litre juice concentrate bottles. But all soda and mineral water bottles have had deposits for ages. It's a neat system.

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Oct 2, 2013

steinrokkan posted:

We don't have plastic bottle deposits either, do they actually achieved something, or are they a cynical facade like "plastic recycling"?

According to the organization in charge of the deposit system (link contents in Finnish), 97% of aluminum cans, 90% of plastic bottles and 92% of glass bottles in the system were returned to collection spots. I won't take a stance on what happens after they've been returned by the customers to the recycler, though.

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Oct 2, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

It's certainly not progressive and this kind of joke wouldn't pass the editor for near any other ethnicity. (Poles like Czechs and Lithuanians are far too white for making fun of them with stereotypes to be considered punching down, while at the same time those stereotypes are the same ones the most privelleged white people have of other groups being less intelligent, less educated, monolingual, greedier and lazier but at the same time somehow more 'real', handy and family oriented).) But I guess we all do know this guy he very much exists:

https://www.theonion.com/polish-man-that-landlord-sent-over-smashes-hammer-throu-1851285768

Is there a Sopranos-equivalent for Polish-Americans, doing extreme :iceburn:s one after the other?

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Oct 2, 2013

How many votes did the cat get?

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Oct 2, 2013

Nenonen posted:

This is the point where he writes his bestseller, another point of convergence. See, they go through all the same phases, just in different order.

Dictating his stream of consciousness to poor Hess was the twitter / truth social poo poo-posting of the day. Ecclesiastes was right, there truly is nothing new under the Sun, ever.

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Oct 2, 2013

At least there's booze

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Oct 2, 2013

I'm really, really glad that there was a widespread effort in Finland to make smoking terribly inconvenient if you're not at your house.

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Oct 2, 2013

Libluini posted:

Reminds me of the German guy who just walked off his job with a licence to buy Plutonium and the idiots didn't realize, for years, that he actually wasn't allowed anymore to buy radioactive materials

From memory, he kept hoarding Plutonium in his cellar, until the police came to arrest him. Someone had tipped them off that the guy was collecting unreasonable amounts of dangerous chemicals in his house, as a hobby.

He then panicked and buried the Plutonium in his garden when the police arrived, but then got arrested anyway, because of all the other dangerous poo poo in his collection.

He then told the police during interrogation about his hidden Plutonium stash, and the police called for specialists. They walked over the idiot's grounds with a Geigerzähler, found and then dug out and confiscated the Plutonium.

I remember reading this in our local news a couple years back and checking twice that the article wasn't posted on April 1st.

While bread chat is great, this story obviously cries out for a reference to the nuclear boy scout

wiki posted:

Hahn was fascinated by chemistry and spent years conducting amateur chemistry experiments, which sometimes caused small explosions and other mishaps. He was inspired in part by reading The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments and tried to collect samples of every element in the periodic table, including the radioactive ones. He later received a merit badge in Atomic Energy and became fascinated with the idea of creating a breeder reactor in his home. Hahn diligently amassed radioactive material by collecting small amounts from household products, such as Americium from smoke detectors, thorium from camping lantern mantles, radium from clocks, and tritium from gunsights. His "reactor" was a bored-out block of lead, and he used lithium from $1,000 worth of purchased batteries to purify the thorium ash using a Bunsen burner.

Sometimes people get really funny about radioactive stuff!

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

Well shiiit.

But there's a lot of countries that alternate between two or three parties as they try and fail to govern as people want them to, hoping party X has learned a thing or two since last time. Or being taken in by the same tricks X used last time to get elected in the first place. This isn't that. Slovakia is like if the communists from the 1980s came back to life in Poland with all the same people and with the same plan for the country and got elected. (I know a not entirely insignificant minority would like this.)

Although as I write this I realize that France may well elect the Vichy people and Germany has to deal with poorly disguised NSADP parties. And outside of Europe we have plenty of places electing the children of dictators vowing to continue their dad/mom's legacy. Plus that whole T issue in the US.

Finland has that revolving door "system" where the majority coalition often switches between right and left wing after an election. So last time around we had a coalition of all our left-wing parties PLUS our special Agrarian People's Party, so there were some wrenches in the gears every now and then, but the government wasn't a trashfire. Unfortunately, they also had to deal with COVID and then Putin's war, so major legislative efforts kind of got lost in being in constant crisis mode.

Now we have a coalition of the right-wingers*, and they're busy crushing unions and stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

*This may or may not be because the Special Agrarian Party didn't want to enter a left-wing coalition for the second time in a row, but this is maybe getting into the specifics too much

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Catcher of the Forbidden Rye

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Oct 2, 2013

This feels anti-climactic somehow. You just got barely processed rye! Ice-T would not make a wise-crack :eng99:

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Oct 2, 2013

You should see what's on the wall in the US senate :ohdear:

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Oct 2, 2013

Szarrukin posted:

I'm sure that in case that Russians were coming to our borders, these shitheads who now scream about "cowards" and "traitors" would be the first to run away. Just like back in 1939.

Back then, Adolf and Josif said it was okay!

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Conscription for self-defense seems like it could be argued to be ethical, since the lesson of the Winter War was that tiny nations only have themselves to rely on when things get super-lovely. But then for Finland it's a sort of different can of worms now. During the Cold War, we were supposedly neutral but also kind of meant to be buddies with the Soviet Union, who were obviously concerned about our long land border etc., so in theory in that scenario our conscripts were just meant to fight off anyone trying to come across borders if WW3 broke out. That's still a sort of reasonable decision for an individual to make; do I fight to keep my country neutral, and risk getting nuked, or do I try to flee to Argentina Sweden?

But now Finland is a NATO country with conscription. Obviously we wanted the article five nuclear shield, again in theory, and that's why we're in NATO since Russia is no longer a dependable nation to say the least, but what does that mean for our conscripts? If some kind of real poo poo hit the fan and the US needed to fight a small war to give some future POTUS an up-tick in the polls, can our conscripts trust our political leaders that they won't be forced to fight some stupid war that has nothing to do with defending Finland? Or if they're just asked to volunteer, what's the ethical calculus there? We are allies with the US and that means a certain level of commitment, but for the individual soldier, do you want to go half-way across the world and risk your life for a country behaving stupidly?

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Oct 2, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

:words:

That last one may be difficult to argue with. Why should others defend your life but you get tp sit it out? But even then, when faced with a genocidal or at least homicidal invader, you could argue it's your perogative whether to fight or take your chances with your country losing and you being sent to a death camp. We don't force people to take medicine that will keep them alive if they're convinced they don't need it. And here both the disease and the medicine can kill you.

Again I am on the side of defensive conscription being the right thing to do in many cases. I'm just saying it's not crystal clear even in the most crystal clear scenarios.

It's arguable how "justified" Finland's "continuation war" with the Soviet Union was, since the Soviets in the Winter War took major land areas from Finland including the city of Viipuri, which was a major population center at the time, so one can just say our conscripts at that time were fighting to take back lost areas. Or, that we were supporting operation Barbarossa in an alliance with Hitler aimed at destroying the Soviet state (the Nazi plan is muddled but Hitler himself wanted a sort of eternal play-ground war around the Urals, the Nazis were bug-gently caress nuts).

With this kind of background in mind, during the "continuation war" Finland set up a concentration camp (I apologize for a source in Finnish) for men who refused to fight, many of them communists. This is the unfortunate flip-side to forcing people, you have to have a stick too, right? I doubt any modern European would say that slowly starving men to death in a logging camp for refusing to fight Stalin is justifiable, but what is the alternative? Should a state humanely incarcerate men or women who refuse to fight when called upon, in an ambiguous situation? Does the "deserter" in this situation have a way to make an informed choice about their conscription? In this thread of all places I doubt I need to spell out what happened to other states Stalin conquered, but how would you know this in 1941 as a conscript? Does the state have a right to use force against you, even in the form of incarceration?

I don't really have an answer to this question, other than to condemn starvation concentration camps of course.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Bright Bart posted:

Real quedtion but are words like 'kurwa' abused in neighbouring Czechia, Slovakia, and East Germany too? I don't just mean that they're used too much. But that they punctuate sentences, fill any pauses in speech, and precede and procede words that that don't need it, whether the person is angry or happy or even just relaying neutral information. Over here the overuse extends to even a large part of the educated classes (although plenty of people find it vulgar as well). When we're dealing with someone not from the upper middle class or above it's not entirely uncommon to hear:

Kurwa no, żeby dojechać do kurwa Warszawa Centralna trzeba kurwa pojechać, no kurwa, autobusem 7A. Ale kurwa trzeba 7A a nie 7B bo tamten jedzie do kurwa Warszawa Zachodnia.

I'd guesstimate maybe 1/15 people in my city talk this way. And that's a conservative estimate.

(I do look back to my time in NA and do concede that people using 'loving' in place of kurwa in this manner is also something I distinctly remember. And my sister is the child of two educators, studying at one of the top 25 schools on the planet, with a large vocabulary and excellent writing skills, but her and all her classmates use vulgarity like sailors.

Still, I only noticed so many people doing it when I came here so I'm presuming it's more common over here.)

e: Does anyone know the etymology of 'przekleństwo'? Google would only tell me it's Polish for cursing, swearing, or using profanity. But all those have religious connotations and I'm not sure the Polish term has those, although it might.

Wrong country, but the Finnish swearword for vagina is often used as punctuation as you describe. Some English-speaking friends were horrified to learn it was the local equivalent to the "c-word".

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Oct 2, 2013

Mokotow posted:

Yeah, this sucks.

It really does.

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