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I think SLAM covered Durant in HS, but SLAM covered everyone. There was some hype even if it wasn't Oden level.
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There was hype and the Kevin Durant Apocalypse mix tape was a real thing. It’s just that Oden had years of hype and largely delivered on it at Ohio.
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The first 82 games he played Oden was extremely good. He had the usual young big fouls problems but other than that he was great on both ends of the floor.
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I'm 99% sure that healthy Oden would have been a perennial All-NBA level player
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Imo the Oden over KD pick was wrong at the time. I get why they went that way but woof.
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I blame Rick Barnes, honestly.
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Probably Magic posted:I blame Rick Barnes, honestly. Rick Barnes was unfairly fired at UT and I hate Rick Barnes.
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Rick Barnes had too much talent at UT to never do anything with it. He definitely deserved to be fired See the next few years with Aldridge and Augustin
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I think Dwight Howard is a pretty reasonable comp for a hypothetically healthy Greg Oden. A few dominant seasons, then gradually declining as the wear and tear adds up, but still being a useful player if you adjust your expectations accordingly.
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Oden was a lot bigger than Dwight
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Blind Pineapple posted:I think Dwight Howard is a pretty reasonable comp for a hypothetically healthy Greg Oden. A few dominant seasons, then gradually declining as the wear and tear adds up, but still being a useful player if you adjust your expectations accordingly. Dwight was too explosive in his play style. Oden would have more like peak Alonzo Mourning
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and Dwight was dominant for more than a few seasons
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Oden probably wouldn't have dragged a team like Orlando as far as Dwight did, though I think Odens game would generally have aged better. He was actually alright in the post and played a lot out of pick and roll.
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indigi posted:and Dwight was dominant for more than a few seasons 2006-11? Was he still dominant on the "this is gonna be fun" Lakers and I've misremembered because of their results? I know when he was in Houston he was good, but clearly a second option to Harden and not a game-changer like he was in Orlando. I guess I should've clarified that the Dwight/Oden comparison was an approximation of production and career arc, not necessarily playing style.
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Blind Pineapple posted:2006-11? Was he still dominant on the "this is gonna be fun" Lakers and I've misremembered because of their results? I know when he was in Houston he was good, but clearly a second option to Harden and not a game-changer like he was in Orlando. Either him being cool with not getting 19 post up attempts a game or Nash and Kobe successfully icing him out (your pick as to what happened) and just playing really high level defense, the Lakers won like 75% of their games to end the season. So you could make the argument.
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Rick posted:Either him being cool with not getting 19 post up attempts a game or Nash and Kobe successfully icing him out (your pick as to what happened) and just playing really high level defense, the Lakers won like 75% of their games to end the season. So you could make the argument. i had totally forgotten about that; they were 17-25 towards the end of january and finished 27-12 if nash hadn’t hosed up his leg that team might have worked out; also shout out to shaq for ruining dwight’s career without even touching him
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The Basketball Tournament is this weekend and overtime elite is going to be in it. T hey're going to play a bunch of ex college guys Could be a nice showcase for the Thompson twins and the other prospect they have
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Throwing some games on the schedule. I don't like November for evaluation purposes players change so much but I wasn't able to keep up trying to start in january like I prefer Baylor vs UCLA Nov 19 Keyonte George vs Adem Bona Kentucky vs Conzaga Nov 19 Cason Wallace vs Gonzaga (just a good team to evaluate players against) Kansas vs NC State Nov 23 Gradey Dick vs Terquavion Smity Duke vs Ohio State Nov 30th Dariq Whitehead vs Brice Sensibaugh or whatever I'm not going to try and spell this South Carolina vs Arkansas Feb 4th -- GG Jackson vs Nick Smith, Anthony Black Alabama vs Gonzaga Dec 17 - Bradon Miller vs Gonzaga FSU at Duke Dec 31st - Baba Miller v Dariq Whitehead Alabama vs Arkansas Jan 11 Brandon Miller vs Nick Smith, Anthony Black Baylor vs Texas Jan 30 Dillon Mitchell vs Keyonte George Any others are nice to hear about, I just went with the top 15 prospects even though my powers are more useful at the bottom half of the first, I'm gonna wait until January at least for those guys.
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jarace walker from houston and ke'el ware from oregon are gonna be playing tonight if you're in a hurry to do some evaluating
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I think I might have recorded that one if I remember right.
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Gradey Dick Terquavion Smity Brice Sensibaugh you’re just making these up, I’m onto you
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Red Rox posted:Gradey Dick About a week ago I learned that the folks behind the Name of the Year tournament sold the rights to some pile of crap website that has no intention of holding new tournaments, nor does it have the archives to the old tournaments. In other words, there's space for us, Goons, to hold our own Name of the Year event of some sort, so long as we use a different name, which, as near as I can tell, is the only possible part of that concept that could be trademarked or copywritten.
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Red Rox posted:Gradey Dick
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The Annual Moniker Deliberation Event
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The God Shammgod Invitational
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Crazy Ted posted:The God Shammgod Invitational
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I'm just going to write this for posterity, Amen Thompson has a better combo of vertical bounce and first step than anyone over 6'6 who's ever been in the NBA
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I hope he comes good. It'd be funny to see  in the gdt
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Vinestalk posted:I hope he comes good. It'd be funny to see lol. never seen that one
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Victor Wembanyama is up from 9 PPG in Ligue 1 in 21/22 to 23 PPG this season through about a dozen games. He's also averaging 10 boards and 3+ blocks per game (rare in Euro ball) while fouling less than he did last season in about 60% more minutes per game. God he's going to be ridiculous.
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Crazy Ted posted:Victor Wembanyama is up from 9 PPG in Ligue 1 in 21/22 to 23 PPG this season through about a dozen games. He's also averaging 10 boards and 3+ blocks per game (rare in Euro ball) while fouling less than he did last season in about 60% more minutes per game. Hornets don’t deserve that kind of luck but I’m already dreaming of a Ball / Wemby pairing
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I started my nba draft amateur scouting, here are some random thoughts collected Vic- 7'4 sg who uses his arms like a 3 piece chinese staff. Started playing like scarecrow jimmy butler as the season went on. Gets better and better at making his arms deploy and undeploy like a factory precision assembly robot Scoot- looks like a pro at 19. Great air control. Small but good at everything. The thing about Scooter is that he has a super high floor, if Wemby is out of the league at 26 because of injuries, scoot could be going strong, collecting all star game if not all nba appearances. I know all-stars dont get you champies, but it is what it is Ausar Thompson- looks like a hyper athlete against guys who'd be playing at random mid major colleges, and 15 year olds. Some of his best competiton this year has been the 15 year old Jayden Quintaince and Cam boozer, who look awesome, like watch 2026 draft because there are some real players in it already, but drat. I beg the thompson twins to come to the combine and play in all the games and do all the tests. That would probably lock them into high spots. Imho if they don't do that they're going to fall a bit. They're protected by upside mystery boxnesss and the weakness of this draft class, which is lucky for them. Trayce Jackson Davis- big body role player automatic Kinda unimpressed by the 3-17 group so far. Had high hopes coming in Honestly what's weird is that there are a ton of guys who live in the midrange and cant really shoot threes this year, I get that the midrange became easier but it's still not a useful thing to do in the nba unless you are elite. 3p Shooting is present at high levels in a few guys but in very few of the lotto prospects. I haven't watched much brandon miller yet but I think he'll end up at 3 because of the shooting Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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I assume Zach Edey looks to be a bust? He's huge but it kinda strikes me as a "knows how to use his size at ncaa level but will be too slow for NBA bigs" type of situation
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I assume Zach Edey looks to be a bust? He's huge but it kinda strikes me as a "knows how to use his size at ncaa level but will be too slow for NBA bigs" type of situation It's funny that you bring him up because he's the last guy i've been watching. Imho he's Boban+ so even if he's doomed to just have really good efficiency numbers on bench units vs other bench units, i think he can play in the NBA. He is so big. He looks like when you make a giant 400 lb create a player, his dimensions just look crazy on tv. He has touch
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Dejan Bimble posted:It's funny that you bring him up because he's the last guy i've been watching. Imho he's Boban+ so even if he's doomed to just have really good efficiency numbers on bench units vs other bench units, i think he can play in the NBA. He is so big. He looks like when you make a giant 400 lb create a player, his dimensions just look crazy on tv. He has touch He should go straight to the part where he stars in B-action movies with like, Dolph Lundgren and Scott Eastwood
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DC Murderverse posted:He should go straight to the part where he stars in B-action movies with like, Dolph Lundgren and Scott Eastwood True. If your team drafts him it would be really beneficial to have a kevin love style great inbounder, because he's really good at catching high passes and just dropping them into the net. He's kinda like post injury Jahlil Okafor but bigger with less style, and a much better o rebounder, with all of the defensive problems. He'd fit with the Clippers right now because he only plays half court basketball. post injury jahlil okafor +good offensive rebounding is not a great endorsement. Zach is obv more athletic than that and is pretty decently athletic for his size. He's also improved on a nice curve. So I'm pretty firm on Boban+ Like he's never going to be in a playoff rotation beyond the first round, unless the nba completely changes. But he's a player
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The thing with Edey is he's only been playing for 6 years. Every year at Purdue he's improved by leaps and bounds. His first year he was over 6 fouls per 40 minutes and now he's rarely picking up more than 2 while playing 30+ minutes a game. He's added post moves, improved his free throw shooting and passing out of the post. I'm pretty sure he's never shot a jumper in game, but with his free throw stroke I wouldn't be surprised if he developed one. Like was mentioned above he's too slow to get big NBA minutes but I could see him developing into a roll player off the bench.
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DECLARING THIS THREAD A NO OWN ZONE Don't quote posters and make fun of their opinions unless they're being really nasty and annoying. I usually post my draft musings in the nba n/v discord, to an audience of two people. But I figured I could just post them here, and so can anyone else. If you're watching an NCAA game, or the ignite, or even a highlight comp (highlight scouting isn't that bad! it's a good way to see prospects strengths at least). Just post what you think here. quote:Trayce Jackson Davis looks like he could be an automatic role player that youcan draft at like 2h3, he's Big Boy strong like crowder but with more ball skills and finishing chops. the ringer doesnt have him in their top 30 which is a good sign that he's a good prospect, since they don't know the first thing nobody's going to call you a dumbass moron
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