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Dandywalken posted:Hmm no Patriot ammo? This is only a billion, and sounds like what they had ready. 59 more billion to go!
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Apr 24, 2024 18:21
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If I'm not mistaken this is out of funds already allocated or otherwise available to the president, and not part of the new bill.
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Apr 24, 2024 18:47
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mlmp08 posted:I have enjoyed the theory that Ukraine gets its weapons smuggled via the Black Sea, largely put forward by people who apparently don’t realize that roads exist. exactly why noone would predict the sea route !!
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Apr 24, 2024 19:51
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Antigravitas posted:Perhaps look at a map of Ukraine's borders with the EU some time? Sounds like work
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Apr 24, 2024 21:36
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spankmeister posted:If I'm not mistaken this is out of funds already allocated or otherwise available to the president, and not part of the new bill. How nice for Biden to throw in a sweetener for the deal. (Its probably to give the NATO/US in Europe a confident green light to start shipping stuff to Ukraine immediately, the accountants can later figure out who pays what.)
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Apr 24, 2024 21:50
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NYT reporting that Ukraine has already received the longer range ATACMS a couple of weeks ago as a part of the $300m package sent last month. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/us-ukraine-russia-missiles.html?unlocked_article_code=1.m00.2j_u.fx2DY5C9ySyr&smid=url-share
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Apr 24, 2024 21:58
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There was a period in 2022 where Russia was trying to degrade Ukraine's rail infrastructure with missiles before shaheds were in their arsenal, especially the lines around lviv that were carrying refugees out and supplies in, but those kind of strikes (reporting on them anyway) seemed to dry up when they switched focus to saturation attacks on energy infrastructure. I'm guessing the rate of successful damage to the rate of repair wasn't favorable.bTo the best of my knowledge they've never even tried to intercept road based imports for all the reasons mentioned. Best results they've had are the occasional successfully identified warehouse.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:41
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Flikken posted:This is only a billion, and sounds like what they had ready. 59 more billion to go! Holy poo poo I swear the real wonder weapon in all of this isn't a weapon, it's US logistics. It's mind blowing that all of that can get to Ukraine in such short order.
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Apr 25, 2024 00:01
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US logistics is practically like having a teleporter. We're absurdly good at that. Like, we had lobster and steaks for dinners at my FOB in nowhere Afghanistan. We even had literally too much ammo.
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Apr 25, 2024 00:33
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99pct of germs posted:Holy poo poo Generally going to be MLL and Hapag-Lloyd on the northern Europe run. Afghanistan was APL and MLL to Karachi. They always try to get out of the ammo bonus, I don't think small arms counts for it. The bigger stuff usually go grey hulls I think so RRF or MSC.
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99pct of germs posted:Holy poo poo The US' mastery of the logistical game of war is really unlike anything else in the world. It's absolutely insane how they get poo poo from A to B, if it needs to get there, they can get it there. The triangle of logistics is Cheap Quick Plentiful Pick 2, and generally while expensive as gently caress, the DLA generally managed to get massive amounts of gear where it was going when it was needed. Weird edge requests were sometimes problematic, but the US has never really an issue where we were running low on ordnance to put downrange, they've got poo poo pre-staged everywhere. orange juche fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 00:52
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OTOH, this wat has the DOD and admin in whiplash as they realize that whole they can move a lot of ordnance, they don’t have enough ordnance to move.
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quote:Small arms and additional rounds of small arms ammunition, including .50 caliber rounds to counter Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS); It seems like a quadcopter is an ambitious target for a pintle .50, but I've never shot one before so maybe I've misunderstood exactly what they're capable of.
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mlmp08 posted:OTOH, this wat has the DOD and admin in whiplash as they realize that whole they can move a lot of ordnance, they don’t have enough ordnance to move.
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mlmp08 posted:OTOH, this wat has the DOD and admin in whiplash as they realize that whole they can move a lot of ordnance, they don’t have enough ordnance to move. The US military hasn't really been artillery-heavy in a very long time, but they're working pretty rapidly to fix that and in a big way, 2 years ago the US procured less than 15,000 155 rounds a month. By end of FY2024, they're projecting to cross the 100,000 155 rounds per month threshold, and increase production beyond that. If there's one thing the US is good at it is cranking out absolute insane quantities of materiel if given enough time to spin up production. Jimmy Smuts posted:The Javelin factory went to 24/7 ops shortly after the invasion due to that, did the 155mm artillery one go 24/7 too? They've been on 24/7 operations since the invasion kicked off, and old facilities and production lines have been restarted or set up from scratch using the funds from the Ukraine packages. There's a lot of capacity that is coming online that will be available over the next year. 10x-ing your shell production in less than 2 years is pretty wild. orange juche fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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99pct of germs posted:Holy poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owbCW5jBQZc It's a famous clip for a reason. (1:50 in)
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Jimmy Smuts posted:The Javelin factory went to 24/7 ops shortly after the invasion due to that, did the 155mm artillery one go 24/7 too? I'm pretty sure I read an article that said it did but I can't seem to find it.
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Madurai posted:It seems like a quadcopter is an ambitious target for a pintle .50, but I've never shot one before so maybe I've misunderstood exactly what they're capable of. Why we're simply a multi billion dollar acquisitions contract away from slapping target acquisition and fire control radars to a CROWS .50 and being able to field mini-Gepards on every AFV!
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The 50cal stuff is probably for things like Shaheds and larger loitering reconnaissance drones.
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Arrath posted:Why we're simply a multi billion dollar acquisitions contract away from slapping target acquisition and fire control radars to a CROWS .50 and being able to field mini-Gepards on every AFV! Would that make them technicals? 
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Quackles posted:Would that make them technicals? Technically.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:The Javelin factory went to 24/7 ops shortly after the invasion due to that, did the 155mm artillery one go 24/7 too? There’s no such thing as “the” singular 155mm factory, really. orange juche posted:The US military hasn't really been artillery-heavy in a very long time, but they're working pretty rapidly to fix that and in a big way, 2 years ago the US procured less than 15,000 155 rounds a month. By end of FY2024, they're projecting to cross the 100,000 155 rounds per month threshold, and increase production beyond that. I think you are mistaken. “By 2025” was by end of 2025, not by start of 2025. As of February 2024, the US Army reports that it is making 30,000 rounds per month and hopes to reach 100,00 per month by late 2025 https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-official-says-ammo-production-would-suffer-critical-delays-without-base-supplemental So in two years went from 14k to 30k. Plan is hit 100k in ~3.5 years total. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Arrath posted:Why we're simply a multi billion dollar acquisitions contract away from slapping target acquisition and fire control radars to a CROWS .50 and being able to field mini-Gepards on every AFV! This kind of thing is the reason the US military is putting 30 mm on every new vehicle design they’re dreaming up. Everything can have anti-air capability. There has been some success at bringing the technology down to smaller calibers using computer-targeting, but the addition of the explosive ammunition is a game changer.
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Kaal posted:This kind of thing is the reason the US military is putting 30 mm on every new vehicle design they’re dreaming up. Everything can have anti-air capability. There has been some success at bringing the technology down to smaller calibers using computer-targeting, but the addition of the explosive ammunition is a game changer. Isn't this a more automated version of how the Soviets used to put DSHK and NSV machine guns on top of all their tanks?
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Kaal posted:This kind of thing is the reason the US military is putting 30 mm on every new vehicle design they’re dreaming up. Everything can have anti-air capability. There has been some success at bringing the technology down to smaller calibers using computer-targeting, but the addition of the explosive ammunition is a game changer. VT fuses are all the rage again!
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Kraftwerk posted:Isn't this a more automated version of how the Soviets used to put DSHK and NSV machine guns on top of all their tanks? It’s certainly part of the same evolution. The American equivalent is the M2 Browning .50 cal (12.7 mm), which they put everywhere for standardized anti-infantry / light-vehicle capabilities. Bumping it up to 30 mm is a big jump (with lots of weight, volume, and ammo capacity concerns), but it adds a lot of value and flexibility.
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mlmp08 posted:There’s no such thing as “the” singular 155mm factory, really. In the case of 155 production, I'm pretty sure before the war they were down to just the Scranton plant for 155 production and it was not on 24/7 shifts, other stuff was mothballed. Now they've got that factory on 24/7 and have spun up additional lines and equipment elsewhere to increase production. quote:
Oops, I misread it, there's a ton of breathless reporting about current production figures and projected figures from different websites, and I didn't grab it from the right source.
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Without crossing COMSEC lines, have we spun up missile stuff as aggressively too? I know they are burning up Patriots rapidly, and I figure everything else we can provide that I can't think of right noww
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GD_American posted:Without crossing COMSEC lines, have we spun up missile stuff as aggressively too? I know they are burning up Patriots rapidly, and I figure everything else we can provide that I can't think of right noww A lot of the patriot use and production is FMS (not Ukraine) and US war stock builds. But yes, LockMart announced upping MSE production to 550 per year by 2025 and 650 per year by 2027.
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Reportedly, the DoD has had a bit of sticker shock when it realized that missiles get used a lot in war, and how horrible the exchange rate is if you use a bunch of multimillion dollar missiles to shoot down drones that cost basically nothing in comparison
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Jimmy Smuts posted:US logistics is practically like having a teleporter. We're absurdly good at that. Like, we had lobster and steaks for dinners at my FOB in nowhere Afghanistan. We even had literally too much ammo. Just their passenger transportation system rivals most global airlines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpPuJ_r8Xg
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The Door Frame posted:Reportedly, the DoD has had a bit of sticker shock when it realized that missiles get used a lot in war, and how horrible the exchange rate is if you use a bunch of multimillion dollar missiles to shoot down drones that cost basically nothing in comparison It doesn’t matter how much the drones cost, it matters how much it would cost to fix whatever the drones would break if they get through.
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Subjunctive posted:It doesn’t matter how much the drones cost, it matters how much it would cost to fix whatever the drones would break if they get through. Exactly, you can't not shoot them down, but drones are cheap and the intercepting missiles are very expensive, so they're looking for more cost effective ways of doing things
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How big of a disaster is the Russian breakthrough in the Avdiivka direction? From what I've gathered they managed to crimp off something like five miles of territory in one go after a Ukrainian troop rotation fuckup left a bunch of trenches empty.
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Apr 25, 2024 14:42
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Nuclear Tourist posted:How big of a disaster is the Russian breakthrough in the Avdiivka direction? From what I've gathered they managed to crimp off something like five miles of territory in one go after a Ukrainian troop rotation fuckup left a bunch of trenches empty. Sucks but dont think its catastrophic
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Nuclear Tourist posted:How big of a disaster is the Russian breakthrough in the Avdiivka direction? From what I've gathered they managed to crimp off something like five miles of territory in one go after a Ukrainian troop rotation fuckup left a bunch of trenches empty. Not great but Russia hasn't been able to really follow through on any major breakthroughs because shockingly human wave tactics don't result in the best strategic gains.
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Subjunctive posted:It doesn’t matter how much the drones cost, it matters how much it would cost to fix whatever the drones would break if they get through. It doesn't matter how much your drone's target costs, it matters how much you can force the enemy to spend defending it.
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All the news about Ukraine's manpower troubles and the Russian advances doesn't sound good. Especially with the background of Ukraine having to expand mobilization to its younger cohorts, the troop rotations replacing tired worn out groups with slightly less tired, worn out groups. I don't really see how Ukraine can keep doing at this point if their young don't want to fight even with all this aid. It's infuriating that Russia has thrown away entire towns worth of manpower and still has more to spare. Sure we laugh at their weird vehicles and so on but they seem to be showing no sign of stopping any time soon. I wonder how different this would have played out if this bill passed 6 months ago instead of now.
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