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McNally posted:If the problem was the anti-Javelin cages the Russians put on their tanks, surely the answer to that is "keep hitting them until they die." Ukranians tested those cages, they came up being useless.
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psydude posted:loving A, just keep the Ukrainians supplied with a constant stream of Javelins. I wonder if they've successfully hit any helicopters with javelins yet, or if that's not realistic if they are only using them for armor.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:Ukranians tested those cages, they came up being useless. I thought the Javelin had a pre-emptive warhead anyway to defeat cages and reactive armor.
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Just.... for the completely uninitiated, what's special about a Javelin? I get that they're a shoulder mounted antitank weapon, but what I seem to be understanding from all of you, and reality, is that they are very, very good at this?
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I wonder if they've successfully hit any helicopters with javelins yet, or if that's not realistic if they are only using them for armor. We sent a bunch of Stingers too, for the helos.
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Man, technically I was an "anti-armor specialist" for my platoon but I never got to shoot a javelin. Never even seen a real round. Used the CLUs on some night OPs was the most I ever got to use it outside the video game trainer thing. Which was actually kind of cool because you could create your own scenarios so once everyone was bored we would go infinite rounds with maximum helicopters and tanks and practice loading/unloading/lock-on and firing until our shoulders hurt haha.Hyrax Attack! posted:I wonder if they've successfully hit any helicopters with javelins yet, or if that's not realistic if they are only using them for armor. There is a direct attack mode for helicopters and tanks under cover. I was told the longest lock on recorded was 2K, but that was over a decade ago, no idea if it has been beaten.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Just.... for the completely uninitiated, what's special about a Javelin? I get that they're a shoulder mounted antitank weapon, but what I seem to be understanding from all of you, and reality, is that they are very, very good at this? They're guided and they're designed to attack a tank from directly above, which is usually the weakest spot.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Just.... for the completely uninitiated, what's special about a Javelin? I get that they're a shoulder mounted antitank weapon, but what I seem to be understanding from all of you, and reality, is that they are very, very good at this? It's fire-and-forget system, as opposed to previous stuff where you had to continuously guide the missile onto its target (manually, in the case of early missiles even!)
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Just.... for the completely uninitiated, what's special about a Javelin? I get that they're a shoulder mounted antitank weapon, but what I seem to be understanding from all of you, and reality, is that they are very, very good at this? Top down attack so its hitting the weakest part of the tank, and its fire and forget, so you dont have to guide it in like a TOW
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The Javelin is currently the best man-portable anti-tank weapon on planet Earth. Up until now, it hasn't seen much real anti-armor use and certainly not against a near-peer adversary like Russia. e: I am a slow poster.
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Starting a days Ukraine hasn't capitulated counter with 1 day. It seems the Russians have failed to capture Kharkiv or lightning strike capture Kyiv, and the longer it takes Russia to secure those major objectives, the worse the blowback will get.But I sincerely wonder how long they can hold out.
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Thanks all. So basically,Comrade Blyatlov posted:they are very, very good at this
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Are TOWs too unwieldy compared to Javelins for the current situation? e: question answered further up, nevermind
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Naked Bear posted:The Javelin is currently the best man-portable anti-tank weapon on planet Earth. Up until now, it hasn't seen much real anti-armor use and certainly not against a near-peer adversary like Russia. There's also value in the sense that every T-80U that gets destroyed is more classified tech that Russia has to then go out of its way to recover or sanitize in a war zone. Pretty sure we wouldn't mind getting our hands on some ruined hulls for metallurgical analysis in exchange for guns and money.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's also value in the sense that every T-80U that gets destroyed is more classified tech that Russia has to then go out of its way to recover or sanitize in a war zone. Pretty sure we wouldn't mind getting our hands on some ruined hulls for metallurgical analysis in exchange for guns and money. And that assumes that the Russians will even bother doing that or the conscripts will give a poo poo.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Are TOWs too unwieldy compared to Javelins for the current situation? And also a different class of weapon, since Javelin is portable and TOW isn't. edit, unrelated: NATO Article 4 apparently in effect
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Thanks all. So basically, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3iA5KCa16s 30s in
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Starting a days Ukraine hasn't capitulated counter with 1 day. Thread title
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And yes, it really is that good.
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lol huge if true https://twitter.com/mikenelson586/status/1496965861860646918
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Stultus Maximus posted:We sent a bunch of Stingers too, for the helos. Wonder how many stingers it would take to bring down a Hind on average. Saw footage of them firing off flares but dunno how effective that would be. Handsome Ralph posted:lol huge if true Whoa! does that count include helicopters?
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Naked Bear posted:The Javelin is currently the best man-portable anti-tank weapon on planet Earth. Up until now, it hasn't seen much real anti-armor use and certainly not against a near-peer adversary like Russia. There was a SF ODA who fought a battle against T-72s and BMPs during the 2003 invasion of Iraq. IIRC that was their first use in combat and it was readily apparent what a capable weapons system it is. Can only imagine it’s gone through improvements since then that make it even more effective.
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Handsome Ralph posted:lol huge if true Hyrax Attack! posted:Whoa! does that count include helicopters? https://twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoala/status/1496914492546232320 I really really want this to be true.
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Some possible supporting evidence that Ukraine was able to retake Gostomel and close the air bridge. There were reports of an additional wave of VDV taking off from Pskov and Ivanovo earlier, if they're landing in Belarus instead then that means they're going to have to transfer to helicopter or otherwise move overland with the rest of the Belarus force to reach Kyiv vs directly reinforcing the troops holding Gostomel. https://twitter.com/MotolkoHelp/status/1496970556201218053?cxt=HHwWisC9mcSyp8YpAAAA Hopefully they really were able to retake the airport, it's not something that will win the war but it will definitely set back the Russian at least a few days in surrounding or capturing the capital. On the flip side, if the Russians are encountering setbacks then we may see them start to take the gloves off - and so far this has been remarkably restrained by Russian military standards.
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McNally posted:https://twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoala/status/1496914492546232320 I saw somewhere on Reddit that a Ukrainian fighter jet had crossed into Romanian airspace and was escorted to an airfield by Romanian F16s. Wonder if it was that guy dropping his mic.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Just.... for the completely uninitiated, what's special about a Javelin? I get that they're a shoulder mounted antitank weapon, but what I seem to be understanding from all of you, and reality, is that they are very, very good at this? in addition to what other posters have said, it is also a portable system with, if you like, "two payloads." When it hits the target, one warhead goes off, then a short time later a second shaped charge goes off. The first charge defeats things like spaced armor (you probably saw images of russian tanks with like, pipes and other random poo poo on top of their turrets that are intended to "get in the way" of an anti-armor weapon), and then the second punches through the regular armor
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McNally posted:https://twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoala/status/1496914492546232320  psydude posted:I saw somewhere on Reddit that a Ukrainian fighter jet had crossed into Romanian airspace and was escorted to an airfield by Romanian F16s. Wonder if it was that guy dropping his mic. I saw that elsewhere but it was a SU-27 from what I could tell and what the tweet posted. So different guy if that's the case. EDIT: Yeah here it is, SU-27 https://theaviationgeekclub.com/her...n-fighter-jets/
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https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1496980437293535242?t=LeFZgjkxlGJ0DfYBUIjVmg&s=19 https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496970241284485124?t=vsHNZkpvrisWxf4i4rKcHw&s=19
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No way is that true but I want to believe E: the ace kill list, but those casualty numbers also seem incredibly low
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's also value in the sense that every T-80U that gets destroyed is more classified tech that Russia has to then go out of its way to recover or sanitize in a war zone. Pretty sure we wouldn't mind getting our hands on some ruined hulls for metallurgical analysis in exchange for guns and money. Not many T-80Us left in Russian service, if any IIRC. It was low-volume and very expensive vehicle to start with, even for the USSR, and came late in the game when they were on the downslope, production-wise. Also, Soviet tanks in the vast majority of cases came without thermal sights even with new production ones so what’s there to learn eh  I think their army has a couple hundred T-80BVMs left (predecessor platform to the -U, but modernized). The Kirov plant that made them is no longer in business though, so it’s coming towards its end as a viable product. As for the remainder of their fleet, the vast majority is T-72B3s and T-90s. Still, all much of a muchness regarding the different types. Same 2A46 guns, all the imported Western FCS they could get their hands on these last 30 or so years. Maybe this whole thing was started to get the Charkiv tank plant back under its original ownership, i.e. Moscow.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496970241284485124?t=vsHNZkpvrisWxf4i4rKcHw&s=19 Kind of surprised this didn't happen already.
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aphid_licker posted:No way is that true but I want to believe That will be confirmed numbers, which are notoriously difficult to get in the middle of an active war.
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Our Lady of FAF, hallowed be her aim. https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1496961469665230848?cxt=HHwWgIC-ndCho8YpAAAA
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Zelensky made a speech earlier today, here with English subtitles. It is directed at the Russian people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zilnPtZ2M
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Our Lady of FAF, hallowed be her aim. Holy poo poo there's a website that sells stickers and shirts of that. And it says they will donate the proceeds to a Ukrainian non-profit. https://www.saintjavelin.com/
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Until one gets shot down. Then you have the optics of that. It would not be wise if were trying to stay out of the war.
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Ah yes, fgm. From the french for loving Got eM AreWeDrunkYet posted:With how much the stealth features on the F-22 have been celebrated, could Raptors be used over Ukraine while maintaining plausible deniability about US involvement? Even without a shootdown of a raptor or lightning, a sudden increase of unexplained shootdowns with no Ukrainian fighters nearby or reports from the pilots about a SAM launch would probably point very heavily to the only nations that have a strong deployed stealthy air superiority fighter contingent, the US and our allies wouldnt it? Or the possibility of tankers being seen linking up with raptors nearby airspace where planes are going missing would you really want to chance it? You may not see the f22 but the tanker? I wouldnt mess with that unless we were ready to get balls deep regardless of wether we were detected or not Stravag fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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