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mediaphage posted:in fairness thats a poo poo example, i just couldnt be bothered finding a better one. i wouldn't want the bread dipped in egg personally, a good toad in the hole is made by frying the bread in the pan in loads of butter along with the egg, with the middle part fried alongside and getting extra crispy and buttery. one of my favourite things as a kid Same. In South Africa that’s also toad in the hole.
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this is all pointless, but shooting a plane down over a country that isn't you isn't defence. and toad in the hole is sausage in yorkshire, any attempts to deny this will be met with force as yet unseen or imaginable. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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ThomasPaine posted:I know Ukraine isn't NATO, my question was if the Russians shot down a NATO plane in Ukrainian airspace after they established a no fly zone, would that would be considered an act of aggression warranting every member to declare war on Russia, or does that require an actual threat to a member state's own territory? Here's how that would probably play out: - russia would deny it - NATO would say "no you definitely shot our plane down and we're not happy. here's all the evidence" - russia would, eventually, say it happened but it was an accident, the pilot disobeyed orders or a weapons malfunction happened or sommat. typical soviet blame game stuff - NATO would be all "well! we're going to write a sternly worded letter about it" (maybe sanctions would follow but I don't think NATO provides process for that) - it would probably be forgotten because neither side wants to risk escalating it into, y'know e: it's my understanding that if a NATO country is attacked, they can invoke article 5, and it's important to note that article 5 doesn't say "ok everyone declare war on the soviets/russia now", it says quote:The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. this "action" could be anything really. Suffice to say though, if a NATO country were attacked with nuclear weapons by russia, the nuclear powers in NATO would be very much "ohhhh shiiiiiiit" and they might, if they expect further attacks, launch a pre-emptive strike to destroy as much of the russian nuclear arsenal as possible before it can be used. However they might not! Because both sides are perfectly capable of destroying each other, they might, *might* choose to sit and wait (while sweating buckets) just to see if the nuclear attack stops there and then. What kind of world we would live in after such an event though is beyond comprehension Microplastics fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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mediaphage posted:this is one of my favourite examples of us/uk english divergence; in the us, this is a toad in the hole We always called those a 'Texas one eye'.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Here's how that would probably play out: All of which is why no-one outside of FBPE twitter wants to try it in the first place. Russia is not Iraq.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Here's how that would probably play out: where does the invasion of ukraine fit in this list though? Like I guess you're suggesting at the top? But I think it changes things a bit like step 4 is already bollocks
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occasionally theyre also called a bird in the nest which at least makes thematic sense
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NotJustANumber99 posted:where does the invasion of ukraine fit in this list though? Like I guess you're suggesting at the top? But I think it changes things a bit I don't think it would matter where the NATO plane was; I expect it would probably play out like that regardless. If the plane were in a NATO country's airspace then there would definitely be a big problem brewing there, but I'm certain NATO would give some breathing room for russia to notice what they've done and give them chance to say "oh yeah we hosed up sorry sorry" rather than everyone rushing to open their special briefcases
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mediaphage posted:this is one of my favourite examples of us/uk english divergence; in the us, this is a toad in the hole That's a runny bunny.
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I mean they're already shooting at random countries' boats and nobody really gives a poo poo. E: is this going to turn into another loving hoddy doddy bishy barnabee thing?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I don't think it would matter where the NATO plane was; I expect it would probably play out like that regardless. If the plane were in a NATO country's airspace then there would definitely be a big problem brewing there, but I'm certain NATO would give some breathing room for russia to notice what they've done and give them chance to say "oh yeah we hosed up sorry sorry" rather than everyone rushing to open their special briefcases i think the hypothetical was a lot more particular no? Like if NATO no flyed ukraine tomorrow and a plane was shot down? But whatever its all just crazy mad max hypotheticals
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^^ yes, and I was responding to that hypothetical (of Russia shooting down a NATO plane over Ukraine) I'm speculating here (goddamntwisto has surely read more books on nuclear strategy than me) but, while there was a time when one side could potentially 'win' a nuclear war, that time is long over, both NATO and Russia have formidable retaliatory strike capabilities and enough nukes to completely destroy each other. Despite the bluster I would expect both sides to take their time over any given dangerous event and let more informaiton come out. I'd go so far as to say that even if several nuclear detonations happened somewhere, people would hold back and see it was an accident before going full strangelove
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counterpoint liz truss versus an apparently now deranged, dying putin
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as i understand it, a no fly zone does not just mean the enemy planes can’t fly in the designated region, but absolutely anything which can threaten your planes are a viable target so nato would have to bomb all antiaircraft equipment, ammo dumps, comms etc etc
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in the sovereign nation of ukraine which would be inviting them to do so
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mediaphage posted:this is one of my favourite examples of us/uk english divergence 
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i think the custard creams would actually probably be ok like someone agrees with me they ate half of one oh some weirdo bit the bourbon too never mind NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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feedmegin posted:What about Wray and Nephew rum as readily if expensively available in East London? Funny you should mention that, because overproof rum (I *think* Bacardi 151) is what Pryor used. But again, if price is the issue there are literally hundreds of litres of much more suitable material sitting in metal boxes protected by nothing more than a thin metal catch on the street outside your house.
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https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1498748196113297409
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:We always called those a 'Texas one eye'. Which is very offensive to those of us who know that as a sexual activity.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Funny you should mention that, because overproof rum (I *think* Bacardi 151) is what Pryor used. But again, if price is the issue there are literally hundreds of litres of much more suitable material sitting in metal boxes protected by nothing more than a thin metal catch on the street outside your house. I don't know if you should drink the internet out of the internet box.
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That's what happened to Dom Cummings.
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theres noone here not knee deep in internet
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What is it with the urge to find a lifehack for Molotov cocktails?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^^ yes, and I was responding to that hypothetical (of Russia shooting down a NATO plane over Ukraine) Whisper it, but a nuclear war is probably much *more* "winnable" than during the Cold War. Delivery systems are much more accurate and far, far, far more survivable, command and control networks much more vulnerable, and in fact although you're right that instant retaliation is much less likely than it would have been if poo poo had gone more sideways in 62 or 83 this probably makes things far more dangerous because it makes the Buck Turgidsons on both sides think an outright coup de main attack could actually work, with "limited" losses - maybe only the dozens of millions. This, and the deeply scary fact that we have people in positions of power (including in the loving NEC) that somehow seem to think that a "limited" use for nukes exists, IMO puts us at *greater* risk of annihilation than we were when Threads was transmitted. MAD was, well, mad but it was at least an easily-grasped and very convincing reason not to push things too hard. It's when people start talking about how it actually means there's no risk at all of nuclear war (and so let's really take the piss) that we start talking about seconds instead of minutes to midnight.
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Please tag that nws and nms
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notaspy posted:Please tag that nws and nms What do those stand for again? I've forgotten. I mean the letters not the biscuits and gravy with which photo I tease my American friends repeatedly.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What do those stand for again? I've forgotten. Not work safe Not mind safe I think I’ll have nightmares after seeing that biscuits picture
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not work safe and not mind safe (or as I keep parsing it, "NO MAS")
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i can't even fathom what this is supposed to be
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mediaphage posted:i can't even fathom what this is supposed to be biscuits and gravy
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mediaphage posted:i can't even fathom what this is supposed to be wait, your gravy is clear????
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I mean, it's varying levels of translucent depending on how it's made. Oftentimes it is mostly opaque.
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oh this is probably like a starch thickened bisto isnt it
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i got the biscuits but honestly it looks like someone just poured a bunch of maple syrup on it
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That specific one looks like bisto instant yes. American biscuits and gravy for contrast looks like coleslaw on a scone.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:you start to think putin's in the right dont you Pelmeni is good though.
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