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Bullshit, yellow sticker stuff is perfectly fine as long as you don't throw it in the fridge and expect it to be good a week down the line.
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Pistol_Pete posted:So we should just do nothing?? Putin must be laughing in his bunker right now, you TRAITOR.* Yeah some Ukrainian journo earlier responded to 'a no fly zone would seriously put us very close to WW3' with something close to 'this is already WW3 ffs' and I mean I get the sentiment, Ukraine is getting exploded so it must seem it to the people living there, but at the same time... no, no it isn't, and while I do not want Putin to do what he is doing, I want a global conflict a whole lot less.
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America would ofc hold its own through sheer inertia and the fact that it's miles away from any potential aggressors, but I genuinely do not believe the UK or potentially even most of the Western European countries would last ten seconds against an organised, motivated adversary armed with more than a few rusty old kalashnikovs and IED know-how. Our armies have been gutted since WW2 and are far more used to asymmetrical warfare where they have the balance of power. They're well trained but in a large scale conflict against an opponent as powerful as Russia there's only so far the professional core can carry you, and I do not at all see attempted conscription going particularly well. I certainly wouldn't be taking up arms to defend this shitheap country and don't know many people of potentially fighting age who would, and tbh I think we're culturally at a point where no matter how hard the government tried they'd really struggle with recruitment. Then on top of all of that you've got the tory shits who would kick and scream every step of the way at any of the big nationalisations and public programmes a war economy requires to function, and would probably try to outsource the whole thing to G4S or Serco or something.
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If NATO did try to enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine and Russia shot down one of their planes in retaliation but didn't formally declare war or move the ground operation beyond Ukraine, would that count as a sufficient act of aggression for the necessitate full Western intervention?
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feedmegin posted:Ukraine is not a NATO member so the aggression would be the presumably (trying to) shoot down a Russian plane outside of NATO territory first. That's what a no fly zone is. I know Ukraine isn't NATO, my question was if the Russians shot down a NATO plane in Ukrainian airspace after they established a no fly zone, would that would be considered an act of aggression warranting every member to declare war on Russia, or does that require an actual threat to a member state's own territory?
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Lol can you seriously make something 'not a war' by calling it something else? Hi, yes, I'm sending troops into your borders uninvited and shelling your cities and shooting your citizens, but we're definitely not at war, dumbass. jiggerypokery posted:And if you can't tell the difference between using an American pilot to shoot down a Russian pilot in Ukraine and sending nukes followed by columns of tanks into Moscow/Brussels then I strongly recommend not following goings on over the next couple of weeks because it's going to be loving terrifying. I don't think anyone is going to be sending nukes or columns of tanks into either Brussels or Moscow. E: Vvv Not to try to justify Russian aggression or anything but is there any truth in this do we think? Ukraine does have a lot of neo nazi fash paramilitaries (the public rehabilitation of which is going to be one deeply worrying outcome of this whole mess) and I kinda can imagine them getting up to some pretty shady poo poo wrt self declared ethnic Russians in the breakaway regions. We're encouraged to take Ukraine's side in this 100% but I'm not sure that's particularly helpful. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Speaking of NI my partner pointed out the other day that all these newscasters saying the quiet part out loud about unprecedented conflict in Europe must have been received with some bemusement in Belfast and Derry, not to mention the former Yugoslavia.
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Mar 2, 2022 13:15
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Just Another Lurker posted:gently caress Azov with a broken bottle, better they die on the line than a Ukranian is the best i will wish for them. I think this may have been a reference to a certain sly stallone film, not an earnest endorsement
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I'm probably wrong but instinctively I feel like the west, and the UK in particular, could probably hobble the Russian state overnight if they seized every one of every oligarch's assets, Putin included. As far as I can tell, Russian money very rarely stays in Russia. Also, assuming a cool socialist government, how much power would the UK have to stamp down on tax havens/dodgy banking in the overseas territories/Crown dependencies? I know they're nominally autonomous, but nonetheless...
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Mar 2, 2022 13:52
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I haven't looked at the war thread, is it as ridiculous as I imagine it is?
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I often forget that the UKMT is inexplicably very left-wing and quite level headed compared to most other threads in D&D.
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I mean I do feel like pretty much all discussion on Ukraine is 'pick a side and reject anything anyone says against that side out of hand as lies'. I think the pro-Putin side is much more guilty of this, but nonetheless we can't ignore the implications of the Azov Battalion etc being full on neo-nazis, which is doubly important given they're an official part of the Ukrainian gendarmerie, not just some independent fash group. I am extremely uncomfortable with them being portrayed in the Western media as totally cool noble freedom fighters!
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Mar 2, 2022 16:45
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OwlFancier posted:I stopped reading the DnD thread when the general consensus was that actually it is very heroic to arm civilians to shoot the russians and if you suggest otherwise it is because you are too soft and have not experienced enough hardship in your life and they should have the opportunity to die heroically. Yeah it's genuinely heartbreaking seeing families being split up because of the dumb gently caress policy that able bodied men have to stay and fight, as if they owe poo poo to their stupid country
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Mar 2, 2022 16:48
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There are accounts of families getting to the border and them letting the mum and kids through while telling that dad 'tough luck, back to Kiev with you to face the Russian tanks. No military training or weapon? Well, good luck!' It's actually a properly sad and inhuman policy and I'm kinda mad it's mostly being ignored or hand-wrung away by the Western media because obviously Ukraine can do no wrong atm. Can you imagine how people would react if it was ordinary Brits being expected to sacrifice themselves in some pointless doomed defence? Thinking out loud, but something something about how the conflict shows the murky semi-whiteness Eastern Europeans occupy today. Rustybear posted:i was gonna ask someone if i'd gone mad but all the 'first war in europe in 80years' hysteria stuff was like err the entire 90s? there were tank battles and everything? tbf I think we all know what they mean, and when you crack the code it's pretty obvious why Bosnia isn't considered 'European' for their purposes.
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As far as I was aware they are Ukrainian turbo-nationalists, yeah
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NotJustANumber99 posted:What if this isn't the case? The it being doomed? Then it would still be a dumb gently caress idea. I'm not super keen on the idea of conscription either, but at least with that you get a basic level of training and support and equipment. Just handing Alexei the barista a rifle he has no idea how to use and telling him he has to stand his ground against a whole rear end mechanised invasion force and probably die alone in a ditch for the sake of country he doesn't care about is as pointless as it is immoral. It's near enough a cannon-fodder strategy to play for time, imho.
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Just Another Lurker posted:It's mixed, 2,500 members from latest info, but if you're a neo nazi from another country that's where you want to go. Ah cool I didn't know Ukraine had compulsory military service before this. Even so, conscription seems like such a violent act to me, idk, far more violent than anything most individual conscripts will do in the course of war. And some of those people being prevented from leaving will have done their service ages ago, they're going to near-enough green, especially in an actual combat situation. On the Azov lot, one thing that had always confused me about fash is their willingness to co-operate with international fash. Surely by definition they would all despise one another, as every nationality obviously thinks they're the ubermensch? NotJustANumber99 posted:Well yes that is exactly what it is but it might actually work. If they slow the invasion down enough that public opinion/money/russian army morale turns against it in Russia then the country might survive. With respect, if I ever had to choose between 'my country' and my life, I'd choose my life every time. Maybe if I saw something worth defending I'd think differently, but in any case stripping people of that choice is a lovely, lovely thing to do. Is Ukraine as an abstract concept worth millions of lives? Hell no. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Jakabite posted:I don’t agree with conscription but quite a few Ukrainians I know have stayed behind to fight willingly, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t be given the tools to do so if that’s what they want to do. I admire their bravery. And good for them, if they choose to do so. They certainly are brave. I just don't think anyone should be stopped from leaving if that's what they want.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I don't think your mood - or anyone's - is nearly as dependent on externalities as you believe. Individual brain chemistry can, in some cases, be a contributing factor to one extent or another, but I'm very much of the R.D. Laing school of thought that for the vast majority of us the sadbrains, anxiety, and all manner of other unpleasant psychological poo poo are less things we should be understood as disease and more the entirely reasonable responses of quite healthy and well-adjusted people to utterly absurd and frequently soul crushing reality.
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Hmm yes BBC, very cool move to have a photo of a Soyuz rocket on the launchpad under the 'war in Ukraine' heading. Definitely a very sensible thing to do at this particular juncture.
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ThomasPaine posted:Hmm yes BBC, very cool move to have a photo of a Soyuz rocket on the launchpad under the 'war in Ukraine' heading. Definitely a very sensible thing to do at this particular juncture. lmao they already changed the photo to be a much more obvious spacecraft not ICBM, someone got yelled at
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Yeah you'd think of all of them d&d mods would try to avoid coming down on people for having takes they disagree with but honestly I've seen some pretty bad faith and obviously ideological probes on this forum, ukmt seems cool though and usually there's a decent reason
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Saddam was a piece of poo poo to the kurds but honestly there's a reason no one gives a poo poo when Turkey does exactly the same thing, and Iraq is demonstrably worse now then when he was in charge. Libya is the one that really gets me though. I don't know nearly enough about Gaddafi to say whether he was the rear end in a top hat torture-king the western media portray him as, and I know he went a bit weird when he started going down the Arab Jamahiriya route with the conservative religious values that implied, but whenever I read about it it just looks like he made Libya a genuinely pretty decent place to live during his time, even if the socialist bits were pretty heavily tinged by the crescent moon. Certainly beats slave markets. e: Yes, of course Lockerbie was bad.
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One of my top ten most cancellable opinions is that the USSR never invaded Afghanistan
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It's 'so-called Islamic State' actually
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Jeherrin posted:Scotland is a one-party Tory state masquerading as a leftist society through the sham apparel of social liberalism. Over a decade of SNP rule and the social safety net is literally that - more holes than anything else. Emergency services and education have gone down the shitter, with waiting times up and quality of care down, class sizes going up when the SNP swore they’d come down, rampant inequality worsened by middle-class liberal elitism telling The Poors how they need helped (but definitely not asking them). paging coohoolin
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I totally agree with most of this, but I think you're describing a slow process of decay that would probably have continued until ScotLab are where they are now, but over a much longer period. I do think the indyref being in fresh memory really was the nail in the coffin in 2015 because it showed just how nakedly cynical they were and handed the SNP all the ammunition they could have hoped for as well as a persuasive argument that they were the only major pro indy party. I may be wrong but I don't see Labour seats swinging SNP that aggressively in any other situation. Was funny to watch though, like watching dominoes, especially as I was in the room with a total new labourite who was almost sobbing the whole night.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Corbyn blew it all. sent us down the wrong timeline when he said 7/10 He was right though tbh
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Comrade Fakename posted:Since he was mentioned, and he’s not been around for a while so I can feel a bit better about poo poo-talking him, am I the only one who was freaked out by Coohoolin’s almost pitch-perfect Scottish accent when they first heard him on Podcasting is Praxis? He’d only been living there a few years by that point - this suggests he was obsessively working on his accent to get it correct, maybe recording himself and playing it back so he could finesse it. I feel kind of lovely for complaining about an immigrant integrating too well, but it’s just weird, right? If English isn't your first language it would make sense that you would pretty quickly adopt the accent of wherever you are when you begin to speak it frequently. Even as an English guy I got comments that I'd picked up certain Scottish mannerisms even after only living here for a few years. In any case, I didn't agree with everything he said, but he seemed to have his heart in the right place, and I find it a little uncomfortable for us to be making GBS threads on things that were obviously a big deal to his identity, especially in his absence.
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Miftan posted:I'm pretty sure he didn't, but all this talk about coohoolin specifically is getting real weird. It is and tbh I really regret bringing the guy up to make a silly joke
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Gonzo McFee posted:More people should become Scottish. What else are you gonna be? Welsh? That's no even a real thing. I'm off to join the Cornish Liberation Army
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Reveilled posted:I've always found the "glasgow uni accent" thing a bit mystifying because I've heard lots of references to it but don't think I've ever actually heard it, unless it's just a new name for "west end accent". I've got a fairly typical west end accent, but when I was briefly at uni I don't think any of my friends spoke with the same accent as I had unless they were specifically from the west end, and my current D&D group which is almost entirely Glasgow Uni alumni mostly just sound like the places they're from: Edinburgh, Australia, the highlands. You're probably right that the Glasgow Uni accent is more or less the same as a generic upper middle class West End one. I'm not 100% sure though. Here's limmy doing an improv story featuring his only kinda exaggerated version of it https://youtu.be/kN3gb8-Uusc (It's well worth watching the whole thing btw, the guy's hilarious. Must be kinda jarring for a guy from working class Glasgow that his kid now speaks with the accent he takes the piss out of so much, given he's grown up very affluent now his da's loaded)
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I did a masters at Glasgow Uni and I can 100% categorically confirm that there are people with that accent, and as KPJ says it is very distinct from the city's generic middle class one. I'm sure there's probably piles of papers written about it in linguistics journals.
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Yeah I met a Chinese guy once who moved here as a student is now fluent in English, but he speaks in a pronounced scouse accent because his teacher was from Liverpool.
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Reveilled posted:Many years later I finally went to Germany, and any time I would ask "Do you speak English?" literally every single person did that exact goddamn hand gesture and said "a little bit", no matter how good their English was. That's actually... weirdly interesting. I'd never considered that body language might become integrated into spoken language in such a consistent way.
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