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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
You should be allowed to get into a fist fight with anybody advocating war.

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
More people should become Scottish. What else are you gonna be? Welsh? That's no even a real thing.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Speaking of Scots Labour

https://twitter.com/HTScotPol/status/1499641366594400262?s=19

It's back baby, its bigoted again!

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

That's actually... weirdly interesting. I'd never considered that body language might become integrated into spoken language in such a consistent way.

If you think that's weird consider that weird thing we all do where we pull in our lips and give a wee nod to say hello without saying the words.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1500056186560950276?s=19

I wonder why she doesn't consider Hamza British it is a mystery

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Weird, she claims to have deleted the thread because she wasn't clear, but the only thing she's changed is her assertion that the hosts are both American? 🤔🤔🤔

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I don't believe she's listened to word one of the podcast and has just gone in two footed and hosed it.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1501218315477434374?s=19

The Press keeps finding Nazis to interview.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1502697966439698433?s=19

https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1502739335883509763?s=19

https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1502742366179966978?s=19

So much of life and culture in Britain is dictated by people all trying to get an invite to the most oval office filled party of the year.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

jiggerypokery posted:

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1502756401332031491

He's so close though. The man is edging out of his mind.

Oh he absolutely already knows, this is just him bitching because he didn't get invited to the party.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

therattle posted:

Remember that Ledbedev owns a newspaper so politicians etc will feel the need to cosy up to him.

Thats the depressing thing. It's not men is smokey rooms making plans for the next shipment of ambrosia. Its dull as dishwater light entertainers all agreeing with each other that Jeremy Corbyn is history's greatest monster because they don't want to miss the opportunity to eat M&S Cocktail sausages with Nigel Farage.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

jiggerypokery posted:

I don't care. I don't need to agree with her every last opinion to say that she is paying the price for being one of about 3 people still doing ever to do proper journalism in this country and paying for it hard.

She should be supported and applauded tbh

E:

She is 100% a crank my dude

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I'm of the belief that our openly pro Brexit mainstream press pushing for it since we first joined had more of an effect than Granny being on facebook.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

keep punching joe posted:

On the other hand, if the UK sensibles had actually seriously engaged with the debate (from at least when the referendum was confirmed) and actually spelled out to people what the tangible benefits of the EU membership were it might have been a different story.

People were certainly duped by misinfo but that doesn't excuse the fact that the 'remain with the pretty good status quo' option somehow still only got 46% in England.

Scotland has the same lovely right wing press and returned 62% in favour of the status quo, what happened here, it can't all be blamed on Russia?

I suppose Scotland has the advantage of the press barely being able to hold back it's contempt of us even in the Scottish edition Newspapers.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I think the better analogy would be a succession of governments pushing the country towards the cliff and then going "WHY DID RUSSIA DO THIS" when it falls off.

Absolutely. Even if the Russians did have an effect they didn't get us anywhere we weren't rocketing towards already.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

keep punching joe posted:

I just don't buy it, same as the theory that UK terfery is driven by US evangelical cash. Sure maybe there is some funding but fundamentally (lol) it's just that this island is full of bigoted busybodies with their noses in everyone else's poo poo.

I reckon it's good for getting things started. You invite like three mid rank journalists to an all expenses paid weekend where you pump them full of mid range champagne and tell them about the evils of whatever you want people to hate and Britain has such an incestuous pit of a media class that the bullshit spreads and mutates like Covid in a home. Them blaming "Russian Troll Farms" is probably more of an outrage that they cut out them as the middle men more than anything else.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Borrovan posted:

In my opinion the fact that lots of people & groups interfere with our lovely democracy is not a valid reason not to pay attention when Russia does it

You probably shouldn't poo poo in the water supply but I'm not going to pretend it's the tipping point when we've been pumping untreated sewage into it for the past hundred years.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

HopperUK posted:

Listen, if we're not going to solve all problems at once, we shouldn't solve any at all, or it's not fair.

You could solve the problem of Russian Billionaires influencing elections and politics if you put in measures to stop rich people in general influencing elections. But that's not what they're focusing on. They're not even focusing on Foreign Billionaires because that might annoy Murdoch. They're focusing on them being Russian, which is utterly useless.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
The absolute first half second it looked like it would affect Murdoch it would be destroyed like Leveson. This is Coke complaining that Pepsi has gotten in on its turf.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
It's me, I took the Russian money. I'm laughing at you in Cyrillic right now.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

jiggerypokery posted:

It was clearly satire if you actually read what they were saying. Most people got it.

It was also very stupid.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I can't believe that basic rear end "don't get hyper focused on ethnicity rather than capital" is such a hard thought to parse. Russian disinformation's effect on public life is negligible at best. Your Granny seeing Facebook posts about how Angela Merkel is going to arm all the Muslims has less of an impact than the BBC bringing on Daily Express journalists saying the same thing. Carol Cadwaller's journalism is good for finding out what a select group of money grubbing con men are up to but her analysis is worth gently caress all when her focus is on Russia being a unique destabilising force in the world rather than just another dick at the gangbang of capitalism.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Its more up to yourself to prove that it does. Not seen a single piece of evidence that Russian disinformation's had an impact that couldn't be explained by literally everything else in British mainstream press and media.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
It'd be very dumb considering I've already told you my opinion on why her analysis is worth dick.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

jiggerypokery posted:

If she has an article about how much work it is to do the type of work that stands up in libel court you really can't dismiss it because she's a lib.

I know several journalists working on this type of thing, not in Europe but still. This poo poo takes an INSANE amount of work. Sometimes literally years with months at a time of 12 hour days. And if you don't do it well you face utter financial ruin or worse at the hands of some total oval office and their smug satisfaction at making you suffer.

Cool, her analysis still ain't worth dick.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Jakabite posted:

E: never mind, was being an arse and there wasn’t any need

Never saw it but never apologise for being rude online, it's what it's for. Never be kind online.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Usually when I retract posts like that is less about being nice and more just a sort of dawning realisation that do I really want to be stood here bollock naked kicking this hornet's nest?

We fear no posts in this dojo.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I managed to get Covid literally the day before I started annual leave and am in my bed coughing like I'm trying to spit out a lung. No happy.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/1504123166444171265?s=19

Lol just naked corruption

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/benclatworthy/status/1504408879945461760?s=19

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/LabourList/status/1504447970464481287?s=19

I can excuse the racism but I draw the line at criticism of NATO.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Like an arsonist blending into the crowd to watch the fire they started burn.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

This. This is why Caroline's work is worth gently caress all.

https://twitter.com/PierreOrsini1/status/1504835222591913988?s=19

Sirpies

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I mean, not really? He's still on his bullshit, he's doubling down more than ever on defending Rowling and being a lovely transphobe.

If he was crying about his terrible mistake then maybe, but as it stands this is him being upset that his actions have had consequences on his career and marriage, the man has zero self awareness or remorse over the nightmarish effect he's had on trans kids futures.

He has lost out massively. He's driven his family, his coworkers and basically everyone in his life away from him and it's had serious emotional and financial impact on him. And the people who radicalised him into it, yer mumsnet and guardian transphobes, have all abandoned him because he's too much of a liability. This is what happens when you deplatform a true believer. He's going to keep doubling down until he does something he can't come back from.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Every once in a while the press treats the Tory party with the bare minimum of scrutiny and the Tories are always caught off guard by it. It never lasts.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/AlanJonesPA/status/1507674591220670464?s=19

Lmao

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Look the problems of society are getting out of hand and if we don't do something soon then it's very likely that millions will starve, but that doesn't mean we should do anything that will affect my money and prospects.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1508015880952758276?s=19

Can't even get funding as the liferaft of the Conservative party anymore lol

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
This Corbyn fella has made it very hard for me to solicit bribes.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
They'd rather get half the money they could from rich guys than more money through small donations because theyre in it for the comfy executive job where they work four hours a week and make £500,000 a year. They're hollow careerists with the occasional psycho true believer like Luke Akehurst who will stay in the party so long as he's fed a diet of Labour students.

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
More comedians should be slapped.

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