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There is a lot of "this is europe which shouldn't have any war in it happening to white aryan christians unlike the middle east where war is just normal (it has nothing to do with us)" going on. https://twitter.com/non_philosophy/status/1498000420815396872
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Nice of him to shave that pattern into his face to identify himself as a wanker at a distance.
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Mar 1, 2022 16:30
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Depends on the food, buying a pile of yellow sticker sushi packs and then eating them all is playing with fire.
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Mar 1, 2022 16:34
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mediaphage posted:idk he seemed attractive enough Not personally a fan of shaving your beard to make it look like you have pinched cheekbones tbh.
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quote:You know what you don't see on the dry foods reduced section? Pasta. We've got a sauce and nothing to eat it with and we're already a few days into this experiment. Yes because it doesn't go off and everyone eats it, that's why they have whole gondolas full of it, greg.
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Mar 1, 2022 16:59
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fluppet posted:I'm sure I've seen reduced pasta in Asda recently it's was with the reduced tinned stuff rather than with either the cake isle or chilled reduced bits. I'm sure they do occasionally do it but it's probably gonna be a lot less often than stuff with a short shelf life and where they have few facings of the product, because those are more likely to be specialist goods and they also tend to send in too many very easily because one case can often be too many. For stuff that comes in by the palletload it's usually less wasted, proportionally. Reductions would probably mean they're finishing the line and want it off the stock system as soon as possible, possibly for stock take so they don't have to count it. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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I really don't know that "I'm going to shoot my anti air missiles like this, and if your planes get hit by them it's your own fault" is going to convince russia tbh.
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Mar 1, 2022 17:41
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If nato got into a war with russia russia would lose badly, even without the US I don't think they have the capability to fight most of europe combined unless they resorted to nuclear weapons. The russian military is also not in a very good state since the cold war.
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Mar 1, 2022 18:15
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Guavanaut posted:What would you call a cross between a fajita and a Yorkshire pud anyway? Every name I can think of sounds terrible from a marketing perspective. Toad in the hole.
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Mar 1, 2022 21:24
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Minimum pricing laws iirc? Also risks starting a perpetual motion machine of people getting shitfaced on the cut price booze and then turning up to fight for more of it.
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Mar 1, 2022 21:32
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mediaphage posted:this is one of my favourite examples of us/uk english divergence; in the us, this is a toad in the hole It's violence is what it is.
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Mar 1, 2022 21:55
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The texture at the edge of the bread is giving me unpleasant thoughts.
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Mar 1, 2022 22:05
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feedmegin posted:Not outside of Scotland afaik? That's what I wondered too but I'm sure someone once mentioned to me that they can't mark it down too much. Might not be a law, perhaps a policy instead?
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Mar 1, 2022 22:05
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I mean they're already shooting at random countries' boats and nobody really gives a poo poo. E: is this going to turn into another loving hoddy doddy bishy barnabee thing?
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Mar 1, 2022 23:13
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Funny you should mention that, because overproof rum (I *think* Bacardi 151) is what Pryor used. But again, if price is the issue there are literally hundreds of litres of much more suitable material sitting in metal boxes protected by nothing more than a thin metal catch on the street outside your house. I don't know if you should drink the internet out of the internet box.
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Mar 1, 2022 23:46
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not work safe and not mind safe (or as I keep parsing it, "NO MAS")
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Mar 2, 2022 00:04
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mediaphage posted:i can't even fathom what this is supposed to be biscuits and gravy
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Mar 2, 2022 00:06
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I mean, it's varying levels of translucent depending on how it's made. Oftentimes it is mostly opaque.
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Mar 2, 2022 00:08
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That specific one looks like bisto instant yes. American biscuits and gravy for contrast looks like coleslaw on a scone.
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Mar 2, 2022 00:09
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There is no such thing as a "limited war" for god's sake, you're either at war or not, and if you're at war you don't get to say "yeah but you're not allowed to retaliate because we were only doing a little bit of war"
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Mar 2, 2022 11:58
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little a war, the meme is little a [x], as a treat. and I demand economic sanctions against anybody who gets it wrong!
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Mar 2, 2022 12:05
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Solve the energy prices problem by utiizing state resources to heat many areas of the UK to thousands of degrees in seconds.
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Mar 2, 2022 12:06
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I stopped reading the DnD thread when the general consensus was that actually it is very heroic to arm civilians to shoot the russians and if you suggest otherwise it is because you are too soft and have not experienced enough hardship in your life and they should have the opportunity to die heroically.
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Mar 2, 2022 16:46
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I have been assured that it is a completely independent personal decision they are making to fight and you should not suggest anything other than that the only external factor that may lead someone to die involuntarily is the russians.
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Mar 2, 2022 16:50
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The war in kosovo isn't something I remember very well as I was young at the time but I at least do remember that it happened, I assume people old enough to remember better should have less trouble with it.
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Mar 2, 2022 17:08
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Aren't the azov guys.. also Ukrainian?
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I also really cannot see why I would take up arms for a country that frankly, hates me and has offered me nothing but contempt from the moment I was born.
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Mar 2, 2022 17:42
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I don't really know that I would be protecting them from anything, the government is already killing them by inches, and thanks to their hostility I have few of them left, I'm afraid it's going to take more than "we will kill you slower" to offset the joy of watching it all go up in flames. My kin have no future and neither do I, they've made sure of that. So why should I give a poo poo?
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It can be unhealthy in the sense that it is counterproductive to survival but that doesn't stop it being more accurate than the alternative. Like, really, my entire life it has only gotten harder to stay alive, there is no inheritance waiting for me so I can't just wait for someone to die, and even if I could the world I would be living in then is almost certain to be one more hostile to life, with greater scarcity, fewer opportunities for self actualization, and I will be older and sicker than I am now, with more of the people I care about gone to boot. Absent a generalized belief that "the future has to get better" which I do not think is supported by the evidence, I have never heard a counterargument. Not even a good counterargument mind you, literally the only counterargument I have ever heard is that people just don't like that read of the situation and I should therefore stop thinking it. If you want to hold a generalized optimisitc outlook I'm not going to tell you you shouldn't. And if the circumstances of your life have been more fortunate and you do have things you would be willing to fight and die for, then I can hardly tell you you're incorrect. But I cannot personally say I believe in the former and I certainly have not observed the latter. The world we live in necessitates some people for whom those circumstances are true, and a proportion of them will recognize that situation for what it is. I don't think you're being patronizing, I think that it is very normal and on an evolutionary level, necessary for most people to outright dismiss that view of the world, and to have a strong emotional dislike of it as well, for the same reason we are afraid of heights, or bears. It is a useful instinct to have from a personal preservation perspective. It does, however, run into issues when you simply... can't feel that way? When your lived experience simply does not permit an instinctively optimisitic view of the world to the exclusion of other interpretations. And all most people can offer is "get help" in a tone varying from compassionate to patronizing to invective depending on the speaker. I would say, from experience, that there is very little help available as well, even if that were functioning in a fashion other than a thought terminating cliche, which I think it generally does, even when meant compassionately. Mental health resources are virtually non existant and even those that do exist still cannot contend with the actual reality of your life a lot of the time. How do you argue someone out of what is, ultimately, a pretty reasonable read of their own life? You have to do that, of course, because any self examination that ends up with you believing that your life might have negative value has to be medicalized into being unacceptable outside of a few specific situations where that rule is suspended (and even then only sometimes, not so long ago I had someone come up to a colleage and, unprompted, offer that her terminally ill relative was a piece of poo poo because the speaker thought he had killed himself when he was terminally ill, life positivity is still very pervasive in some people, even past the point I think most people ITT would think it quite reasonable that someone should have a right to say "no, enough, I'm done now thank you") Instead, again speaking personally, I have found a more... I guess sustainable viewpoint has come from not instinctively rejecting the idea that life is poo poo and maybe not worth continuing with. I have found my mental state to be a lot more stable since I stopped resisting that idea, honestly. And I am still here, after all. I'm waffling a bit but I guess the point I want to get at is that I really, really do not think it is unreasonable for anyone to think that their life is poo poo and have serious questions about whether it is ever going to get better. I don't think that "help" is actually available or even capable of helping people who have made that assessment in a lot of cases because I think it is probably a quite reasonable assessment a lot of the time. And personally I have found it more useful to find a stable plateau on the other side of that conclusion. Life may not be worth living and it might not get any better, but for the moment I am still here, and it is certainly better for me, at least, to live owning that assessment, rather than being made to feel like it is an unacceptable thing to think. If anything that pressure only makes it harder to deal with. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Borrovan posted:It actually isn't more accurate than the alternative. I, a person with chronic depression, know full well that I'm better off alive than dead, despite constant thoughts to the contrary, & even if the end result is the same. I'm sure given a choice as to whether I died or not you would absolutely choose for me not to, which is completely inconsistent with your previous post. I try to consistently err on the side of positivity when dealing with other people but that isn't because I think it is the right thing to do, my better judgement tells me it probably isn't, but it is a practical concession. I have tried therapy and it doesn't help, it only makes things worse. If it works for you and you are happy with the results that is good and I am happy for you, but it has only ever made things worse for me. Does it not at least perhaps strike you as odd that the advice is basically "stop trusting yourself, your ideas have to be wrong, put your faith in what someone else tells you is the right thing to believe until you start to internalize it"? Under any other circumstance I would think you would find that advice suspect, no? You would think they were being inducted into a cult or something? You can see, at least, why I find it difficult to accept. Left to my own devices I am actually quite content most of the time, it is the constraints of the world and society that cause the problems which is why I take a lot of umbrage with them. The world could be one I would like to live in, the world could be one where I am free to pursue things I want to do, but it isn't because the people in charge want me to simply be a tool to generate wealth for them. That also makes me rather reluctant to start thinking that the problem is with me and not the world. Because the world is obviously very unjust and it really doesn't have to be, not physically, it only is because of societal inertia. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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TACD posted:Yeah this central contradiction of “your feelings are valid but also wrong” absolutely winds me up. I don’t want to address / fix my feelings, I want to address the problems in my life that cause those feelings, but therapy has no interest in that (probably because a lot of people have problems that are unfixable or that would require the overthrow of capitalism). I have found a few other people who have expressed something to that effect yeah, and it can be very isolating sometimes when you're just met with a wall of "your feelings cannot be correct, sorry" Again I don't blame people for thinking that because it really feels a lot like most people exist inside this... how to describe it..? A sort of idea-space that has these walls between their normal headspace and the space I and seemingly a significant number of other people, exist in. And the therapeutic answer to this is seemingly just to try and shove as many of us as possible back onto the other side of the wall without ever addressing the reason for why some of us end up thinking differently? Like it doesn't matter why, all that matters is that we stop and get back on the right side of the wall. Like so much of the rhetoric seems to be limited to either getting you to get back into line or to ostracise you, putting you on the other end of the "get help" cliche, which allows the person saying it to distance themselves from the person it is being said to (and this is why you can just as readily spit it at someone as offer it kindly) I do, honestly, hope that over time this will change. Because I really do think it does more harm than good and impedes understanding why people feel the way they do. Dabir posted:
It doesn't necessitate a conspiracy, it just necessitates a lack of interest in understanding people with what are identified as mental problems, on the part of the people tasked with dealing with them. Which, I would hope, would not come as a surprise to you? It's pretty normal. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Dabir posted:You are not as complicated and unique as you would apparently like to believe. I specifically said that I don't think this is unique, and I don't think it is even very complicated? I think it is probably a surprisingly common experience.
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What on earth else would it be more dependent on? Why do people care about the material conditions of their life if not that it's the primary effector of how they feel?
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Borrovan posted:Also considering the whole point of therapy is to teach you to work stuff out by yourself, if what you got from it was "don't listen to yourself & take what I say on faith", it sounds like you might just have been too depressed to engage with your therapy properly If you are seeking therapy then by necessity (as you correctly identified) you have to have a sufficient element of doubt in yourself that you think you need to be fixed, or possibly you have been pushed there by other people around you. But again is you correctly identify, in order for it to take, you must lack sufficient confidence in your self assessment to be open to having the interpretation of your therapist inserted in there instead of your own. Or to find their reasoning more compelling than your own, however you want to look at it. The "it" in "it has got to come from you" is a desire to change your thought patterns, which necessarily has to stem either from external pressure or a sufficient lack of confidence in your exsiting assessment that you would be persuaded to think differently. If you are quite confident in yourself then it probably isn't going to take, no, unless someone can present an argument that you find more compelling. I think the major divergence in our interpretations is that you are perhaps starting from the belief, for whatever reason, that the reasoning that leads me to my position is wrong (possibly because the conclusion is abhorrent or possibly because something about it looks wrong to you, I cannot say what is in your head) but from my perspective I don't see anything wrong with it, though I agree that the conclusion is somewhat abhorrent. I would simply call my reluctance to change my position "confidence" which I believe to be borne of the same thing my confidence in any other position would be, it seems perfectly reasonable to me. And that I have yet to be convinced otherwise by argument is simply because I think my argument is the stronger one, I find it more compelling. It is, however, really the same reasoning and the same brain that leads me to agree with left wing positions, the world is bad (because of capitalism) and I would be happier if it were less bad. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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*shrug* personally I can be quite happy and still think all that. But that's usually just because I am in an environment that elicits joy, which would be entirely consistent. I just wish those environments were more frequent. But that's an environmental problem. Summer is coming and hopefully I will be able to spend a little more time in the hills in nice, calm, spring weather, and I look forward to that.
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What would be the difference if I felt otherwise, out of curiosity? I think life can or can not be worth living depending on the person, and I think that a lot of people also think that in some form or another, plenty of people choose to die for perfectly reasonable reasons that I would think ITT would at least be uncontroversial, I think the thread generally skews in favour of the right to die for terminally ill people for example. Some people choose to undertake great risk out of a belief that is is better than securing their own lives (though admittedly how much of that involves thinking straight I would probably contest) and a lot of people would see that as commendable even if not necessarily reasonable. What is the difference between coming to a life-negative conclusion that makes it inherently wrong, and a life-positive one that makes it possible to be rationally supported? Because that's the sticking point I have trouble with. I really don't think it is axiomatic, it is something that I really wonder about quite a lot, and I also respect that other people make that decision for themselves and I can accept that their conclusions might be true for them, whatever they may be. By far the most reasonable position to me is that there is no one size fits all answer and that it probably is basically only something people can determine for themselves, and that's the position I hold. It causes problems if you asked me to make that decision for other people because my and their view might well be in conflict, but I don't really know what the best answer is, which is why as I said I just assume life-positive for other people because it seems most practical. I don't have enough information to make that decision properly for other people and critically, I don't think anyone else does either. I think in the specific case of an invasion of the UK, my reluctance to fight would be more motivated by the visceral disgust at being hailed for defending the UK if it won. Which I grant you may be irrational too but I really don't know how I would live with myself if I survived a war and the UK government did its usual bullshit while singing my praises about how it's because of people like me that they can do it. I am skeptical of my ability to resist the sense of revulsion that would create. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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If I felt better, I would think otherwise... Perhaps we just fundamentally disagree on whether our feelings are environmentally determined or not, or at least to the degree which they are.
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I could have sworn he got kicked off before, or was that someone else? Am I confusing him with jeremy kyle?
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Josef bugman posted:Thanks bud. Keep safe! That goes for you as well owl fancier. And you, Josef.
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Possibly the first time betteridges law of headlines has been wrong, tbh. https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/does-the-ukraine-exodus-reveal-a-shocking-distinction-on-refugees-in-some-parts-of-the-eu
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