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Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
I'm interested to see where Blue Skies goes if it's taking inspiration from Katawa Shoujo, but so far I'm not... sure about the writing. A lot of the dialogue in particular feels like aliens trying to approximate human communication - or maybe like a couple of neural network chatbots talking to each other.

I don't recall Doki Doki Literature Club itself well enough to remember how much of this is from the base game - I only watched a stream of VB and Chip playing it when it was new - but obviously this part of the original had a deliberate writing style that was meant to set up the later twist/s and it being a critique of dating sims. With Blue Skies though... I don't know where it's going with it.

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Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
Since autism has obviously come up a lot in this thread and the Katawa Shoujo LP thread:

Eurogamer had a fundraising stream yesterday for the Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN) - I hope I got the right link there. Mostly they were just messing around in Sea of Thieves, but Zoe did talk a fair bit about her experience with autism and about autism generally. A lot of it echoed things Falconier111 has said in this and the previous thread. Just in case anyone's interested.

I quite like Eurogamer. They're pretty cool.


Back on Doki Doki Blue Skies though: the writing seems to be picking up a bit? Still not exactly blowing me away, but better than earlier, at least.

Also:

Falconier111 posted:


YURI: "This club is seriously going to be the death of me…"

Oh boy. :rolleyes:

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
I'm a bit behind and haven't read the latest update yet, but:

Falconier111 posted:

You can give me permission just to use those specific posts in the OP or give it for any of your posts going forward; in the latter case, say specifically that :siren: you grant me permission to use your posts in this thread going forward unless you specifically say otherwise :siren:. And I mean it - you can tell me at any time to take this stuff down and I will, or tell me to initialize or anonymize your name so it doesn’t get attached to the links when they hit the LPArchive. I will not use something you write without your permission. You can contact me via PM, in the discord, or in the thread at any time with requests or further questions.

Sure, you have my permission to link to my posts in the thread in the OP going forward, unless I say otherwise.



Edit: Oh hey, a new character sprite, and-

Falconier111 posted:




SHIORI: Hey Monika. Oh, and you too, Hisao. I didn't know you were in this club.

OH NO A DEMON :gonk:

her head's bigger than her torso...

Antistar01 fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 23, 2022

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
The stuff about Yuri liking horror movies and whatnot - combined with her social anxiety - got me thinking about my own struggles with social anxiety disorder again; because I quite like horror movies/games/novels/etc too.

Not the gore/torture-porn ones - they're extremely not my sort of thing. I tend to think that the people who make stuff like that are... well, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, I'll put it that way.

The horror movies that I like are the more slow-burn, atmospheric and (I would argue) actually scary ones; so normally ghost stories, I guess. I've wondered before if me liking them could be at least partially linked to my social anxiety, since movies like that tend to emphasise isolation... which I think I sub-consciously find peaceful and even kind of comforting. In contrast to (say) movies about inter-personal drama, which often make me pretty uncomfortable.

I mean hell, to get kind of on the nose about it, my favourite horror movie - possibly my favourite movie - is Kairo, being thematically about loneliness and isolation, especially in the Internet age. Notably it's from 2001 though, so it pre-dates the phenomenal rise of social media. I wonder what Kairo would be like if it was made today.

(I always seem to find a way to bring this movie up, so... sorry.)

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013

Falconier111 posted:


NATSUKI: What's so scary about that?


HISAO: Guess you haven't realized it yet, huh?


NATSUKI: What do you mean?


YURI: ... The apartment was locked when he got back, right?


NATSUKI: Yeah, I got that part.


YURI: But his keys were still in the apartment… So how do you suppose he locked them in?

This story doesn't work as well if you're used to places where it's easy to lock your keys inside. :v:

I kind of thought they were pretty common? I've lived in plenty of places like that. E.g. with a push-button lock on the inside of the front door. You can easily lock the door on your way out without the key by opening the door, pushing the button in to lock it, and then letting it close. I've fostered a habit of double/triple-checking that my keys are definitely in my pocket when I leave.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013

rannum posted:

Though the mom conversation, while sweet, felt a little silly in how detailed she was even if she did date a depressed guy at one point...but I suppose infodumping about stuff like this is always going to be a little awkward.

I was about to say the same thing; that whole conversation really felt like a Public Service Announcement.

I feel like I'm harping on the dialogue a lot - and it's not always that bad - but it's often like... I don't think most adults ever achieve the kind of self-awareness and emotional maturity needed to talk the way these characters do, let alone teenagers. Katawa Shoujo had a bit of that too obviously, but it's much more pronounced here.

It seems like the writers of DDBS have their hearts in the right place... but they're not very good at writing convincing dialogue.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013

SoundwaveAU posted:

My little town of Canberra getting a mention? In *anything*? That's a real Christmas miracle.

:australia::hf::australia:

Hey, another Ken Behren Canberran.


I do sometimes wonder how many people outside Australia think that Sydney is the capital. I guess it does make for a decent trivia question if you're not Australian!

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013

Falconier111 posted:


YURI: Well...given the semester has only just begun, I'm relatively free, as I don't have any homework to complete. I've also started this new book. It's very popular, so you may have heard of it as well. The story revolves around a group of children and their struggle against a supernatural, homicidal entity, which uses shapeshifting to exploit its victims worst fears. It typically takes the form of a deranged looking clown.


HISAO: Actually, I have heard of that one! The kids later go on to fight the monster as adults, like twenty years later, right?

Man It goes to some weird places - especially towards the end. It kind of makes me wonder how they managed to translate certain parts of it to film (if they did) in the second movie of the recent duology.

(I didn't bother with the second movie, after not really liking the first. It seemed like it had been made by people who had heard of subtlety at one point, but had decided emphatically that it just wasn't for them.)


I wonder if Yuri's route is going to be her referencing a lot of well-known horror media?

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
My instinct is Yuri in the same way that my instinct was Hanako in Katawa Shoujo.

It's hard to pick between exercise and comfort. Those are both good! But I guess if this is at all about depression/anxiety/etc, then exercise can help and actually lead to more comfort, in a way.


Falconier111 posted:

:eng101: I don’t know how many endings this route has or what they contain – haven’t gotten that far in the code – but I do know this section of the code and here and routes us into one of two other sections. Had we chosen to let her go alone (or not talked about her feelings earlier), we would’ve been routed into a section labeled “sayori_bad”. The choice we made takes us to the section called “sayori_good”. :eng101:

Oof, well I would have been on the "sayori_bad" path here then, because my thought was that Hisao's presence during a therapy session might be kind of an invasion of her privacy, put pressure on her, be a distraction, and make it more difficult for her to open up to the therapist about her problems.

But then I have social anxiety disorder (on top of depression), so maybe it's no surprise I'd think of it that way. It's hard enough talking to just one person about this stuff!


Explopyro posted:

I think what I'm trying to get at here is that "just keep trying with different therapists" is a nice ideal, but feels naive to me. Sometimes people have very good reasons for deciding to stop pursuing treatment, especially because the mental health field can be dismissive or downright abusive if you present the wrong way. I am very much not trying to say that treatment doesn't work, nor that people shouldn't try, but when it goes wrong it can be disastrous, and we need to be cognizant of that too.

I was going to say something similar, since I've also had some bad experiences with - well, psychiatrists specifically - being incandescent arsehats. I talked about some of those experiences in the Katawa Shoujo LP thread.

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Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013
Actually experiencing positive effects from anti-depressants, drat. That must be nice.

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