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Why fight for a UBI over more socialist or communist policies for organizing our labor? You hit the nail on the head with how much unnecessary labor there is but we could direct that into other endeavors. I'm not against setting a standard of living but why a UBI over other options? UBI honestly feels like life support for capitalism, especially if the fourth revolution is coming (I'm skeptical) and we're moving to robots and automation taking over the majority of work. If we have the ability to eliminate most work why is that staying in the hands of capitalists? In short, if we have the ability to eliminate unnecessary labor, the tools to automate large scale menial tasks, and could provide the resources to provide an equitable standard of living to everyone why would we be doing it with a UBI instead of the more radical changes those would allow? Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Honestly I agree with a lot of that in that yes, if the goal is get people money for a standard of living this is the easiest way to do it. I'm just not sure it's a good goal. Ok, two other questions to try to understand this. Is this just for America? And if so is all the labor we currently rely on from poorer nations something that's no longer needed? Will it be automated and those countries dealing with their own UBI? Or is UBI being achieved on their labor? Also what's the dollar amount per person that you imagine? Is that going to be more efficient than social services that ensure food, housing, and healthcare?
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thehandtruck posted:it doesnt need to trickle down. Its everywhere. Ask the average person in the post below yours what they think of UBI. Hell ask them who they voted for. Picture all the chuds on govt assistance, ask them their thoughts on govt handouts. Im surprised theres pushback on this idea lol, americans hate each other Americans are feral animals incapable of good things is always my favorite take.
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thehandtruck posted:Ya exactly and it happens from the bottom up too, not just from the top down. Many people in the lower two classes seethed hatred at Bernie when he ran. There's thousands of accounts where people who receive any kind of welfare hate other people who get it. Same ideology that was spoken about in the "Not My Abortion" piece from a while back. It's American exceptionalism except in reverse, Americans are so horrible and vile that they can't have good things. It's extra funny with why UBI won't happen since UBI is already the awful capitalist half measure that makes sure people are on the edge and need capitalists instead of funding social services that provide for people. It's literally throwing money at the problem until it goes away but the problem is poor people dying in the streets.
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Mar 17, 2022 19:16
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thehandtruck posted:Correct. Americans hate themselves and each other. They torpedo opportunities to be happier because it may make their neighbor happy. That is UBI. Countless opportunities happen on large and small scales and are destroyed without the help of the Koch brothers or Hillary Clinton (but that is a huge factor too of course). It's a collective unconscious drive and it can't be healed at this point. Right but those are all reasons why we should try to improve things and teach people to not be so poo poo, not something that's hard coded into American biology.
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