free software sucks, but at least it works

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tazjin: Jul 24, 2015

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

Write your own software op

im trying to stop

# ? Mar 23, 2022 00:00

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# ? May 2, 2024 09:13

Laserjet 4P: Mar 28, 2005; What does it mean?; Fun Shoe

rotor posted:

Weirdly, open source software doesn't seem to be super innovative wrt that sort of thing.

sometimes you can get it right the first time so why reinvent the wheel completely

much like you're posting

# ? Mar 23, 2022 09:41

chaosbreather: Dec 9, 2001; Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

rotor posted:

One thing i will mention is that large open source projects like Krita and LinuxCNC and whatever are generally copies of successful software. Weirdly, open source software doesn't seem to be super innovative wrt that sort of thing.

open source is, generally, innovative technically but not experientially. this is because nerds will make things on good screen for free after spending all time on bad screen for figs but designers have to get paid because
a) the definition of a good designer is a highly paid one.
b) if they aren�t expensive as poo poo no one will listen to them and the nerds will just #worksforme lift and shift all day long
c) they are smarter than nerds

# ? Mar 23, 2022 10:21

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Poopernickel posted:

Windows 7zip has two executables. One opens archives, and one launches the file-manager. Probably the wrong one is set as the default file handler for zips. I've set that wrong a bunch of times over the years by mistake.

btw this didn�t work. i tried setting it with the other executable and it just errors out every time i try to open something

works on my personal computer with the same executable selected as the file handler so idk

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:11

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

i get paid deec 6.5 figs writing oss, dunno bout you. we got 6.5 fig designers too

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:16

Presto: Nov 22, 2002; Keep calm and Harry on.

chaosbreather posted:

open source is, generally, innovative technically but not experientially.

Open source has spent the last 25 years reinventing an OS released in the early 70s.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:42

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

and windows is trying to catch up, yes, lol

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:44

yummycheese: Mar 28, 2004

Presto posted:

Open source has spent the last 25 years reinventing an OS released in the early 70s.

idk about this. lately it seems like the attitude had been to get as far away from the unix philosophy as possible and abstract things behind a million micro-services but in the end still be running everything on that os from the 70�s.

so sometimes users get surprise errors like �error 2:ENOENT� which at this point no one knows wtf that means and it takes 15 layers of figgy makers to fix.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:49

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

npm-era open source is a bit of a creature unto itself yeah. it has some things in common with old free software stuff, in that it is garbage, but there's also some differences, distinct ways in which it is garbage

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:54

Presto: Nov 22, 2002; Keep calm and Harry on.

OK, let me amend my statement.

Open source has spent the last 25 years reinventing an OS released in the early 70s.... except worse.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:54

yummycheese: Mar 28, 2004

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

npm-era open source is a bit of a creature unto itself

This is a pretty good way of referring to it.

is it 70�s unix greybeard levels of bad. or is it macbook in a cafe style bad.

find out in my oss anthropology course.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:14

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

unix would do a lot better if it stopped pretending the pinnacle of computing was a teletype connected to a computer you have to share with 100 other people

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:21

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

the unix philosophy is dumb as hell lol

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:50

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

it's not really a philosophy, more a set of pre-agreed excuses to be trotted out every time you have to defend something dumb

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:01

Canine Blues Arooo: Jan 7, 2008; when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with; Grimey Drawer

bob dobbs is dead posted:

and windows is trying to catch up, yes, lol

'trying' is generous. i'm pretty sure that entire team is super boomers with dementia who get progressively worse every release. its less a calculated attempt at trying to put features on an OS and more akin to a pokemon attacking while confused.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:20

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

fart simpson posted:

btw this didn�t work. i tried setting it with the other executable and it just errors out every time i try to open something

works on my personal computer with the same executable selected as the file handler so idk

I actually handed you the solution to this problem on a silver platter

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:39

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Presto posted:

OK, let me amend my statement.

Open source has spent the last 25 years reinventing an OS released in the early 70s.... except worse.

everybody who ever says this should be sentenced to having to use UNIX v6 for a day or two to accomplish any constructive task whatsoever

http://pdp11.aiju.de/

remember that "cd" doesn't exist yet, you have to type "chdir". have fun

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:13

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

being able to use 7zip is like those cognitive tests where you draw a clock. if you're unable to, it's time for assisted living

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:37

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

after reading this thread and the linux thread and the bsd thread i think i'm gonna try out using freebsd as a daily driver for a little and see if i get burnt out on it or not, i really wanna know whats going on inside an os now

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:47

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

i know we're supposed to advise against self-harm, but gently caress it.

go ham. dive in head first.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:56

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

like how the hell else am i supposed to learn how "modern" operating systems work, work at microsoft?

serious q everything i work or build with runs either some bsd poo poo or linux poo poo

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:58

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

desktop bsd only exists to serve unix grognards who stopped using linux because it got too popular

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:02

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

hipster unix

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:04

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Share Bear posted:

like how the hell else am i supposed to learn how "modern" operating systems work, work at microsoft?

serious q everything i work or build with runs either some bsd poo poo or linux poo poo

NT stands for "new technology", hth

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:04

yummycheese: Mar 28, 2004

Running BSD and using the ports system isnt really all that interesting.

You basically think of the program you need to use. then you change dir into that programs folder in the ports dir structure and type make install.
Then depending on what application it is. You sit and wait from between a few seconds to maybe an hour or more if we're talking about a GUI desktop environment.

code:

# cd /usr/ports/sysutils/lsof
# make install

https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-using

How this helps you understand how operating systems work I dont really know. If anything it can frustrate the hell out of you if this is your only exposure to unix'y things. So much of how this works doesnt port directly over to linux systems because they usually use package systems that are unique to the distro (apt/rpm/pac) which are all different from the way FreeBSD does it. Then conveniently all the package names will be slightly different between the vendors so maybe something like lsof is in a package called "lsof" of maybe its in "linux-utils" or something annoying like that.

Now if you really wanna mess yourself up you can try https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ which is extra fun because maybe you realize you need a compiler to build things. But wtf do you do when you need to a compile a compiler have non of the tools you need to do that task ahead of time. That would be linux from scratch

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:42

Presto: Nov 22, 2002; Keep calm and Harry on.

I'm glad that since the 70s we've managed to change chdir to cd.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 21:51

TOOT BOOT: May 25, 2010

infernal machines posted:

being able to use 7zip is like those cognitive tests where you draw a clock. if you're unable to, it's time for assisted living

I feel like everyone has moved to using 7zip but I feel better using WinRAR to justify the fact that I paid for it like 20 years ago (lol) I wonder if this is how WinZIP users felt

# ? Mar 23, 2022 22:36

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

TOOT BOOT posted:

I feel like everyone has moved to using 7zip but I feel better using WinRAR to justify the fact that I paid for it like 20 years ago (lol) I wonder if this is how WinZIP users felt

no, because no one paid money for winzip either

# ? Mar 23, 2022 22:38

TOOT BOOT: May 25, 2010

rotor posted:

no, because no one paid money for winzip either

I think WinZIP just quit working eventually if you didn't buy it or keygen it

# ? Mar 23, 2022 22:41

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

TOOT BOOT posted:

I think WinZIP just quit working eventually if you didn't buy it or keygen it

i cant really remember but iirc it was like "delete this registry key and it will work for another year" or some poo poo idk

# ? Mar 23, 2022 23:08

Sweevo: Nov 8, 2007; i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

i thought it said "30 day trial, 30 days left" or whatever on the splash screen, but never actually counted down?

# ? Mar 23, 2022 23:22

chaosbreather: Dec 9, 2001; Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

i get the impression that plan9 might be a better learning os at this point. this guy wrote some stuff that might be interesting https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/plan9.html

# ? Mar 23, 2022 23:55

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

I want to lean more about internal combustion engines so I�m going to go get hit by a truck

# ? Mar 24, 2022 02:00

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

infernal machines posted:

being able to use 7zip is like those cognitive tests where you draw a clock. if you're unable to, it's time for assisted living

i aced this test. even though the last questions are much more difficult

# ? Mar 24, 2022 06:14

Asleep Style: Oct 20, 2010

chaosbreather posted:

i get the impression that plan9 might be a better learning os at this point. this guy wrote some stuff that might be interesting https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/plan9.html

I still don't want to use plan9 but this website is interesting as hell and I can't sleep for thinking about their posts. for a while I've been trying to figure out how to walk into the woods and away from computers. they walked into the woods with their computer

# ? Mar 24, 2022 09:45

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

lotta mother fuckers forgetting about about gnu/hurd

# ? Mar 24, 2022 10:12

Poopernickel: Oct 28, 2005; electricity bad; Fun Shoe

fart simpson posted:

i aced this test. even though the last questions are much more difficult

person, woman, man, camera, tv,

# ? Mar 24, 2022 10:24

matti: Mar 31, 2019

Sapozhnik posted:

everybody who ever says this should be sentenced to having to use UNIX v6 for a day or two to accomplish any constructive task whatsoever

http://pdp11.aiju.de/

remember that "cd" doesn't exist yet, you have to type "chdir". have fun

code:

# CC HELLO.C
# A.OUT
HELLO, WORLD

learning to use ed finally paid off

# ? Mar 24, 2022 10:59

matti: Mar 31, 2019

infernal machines posted:

NT stands for "new technology", hth

actually its "N ten"

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# ? May 2, 2024 09:13

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

plan 9 seemed cool until you remembered that is was just some computer poo poo

# ? Mar 24, 2022 18:38

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