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Skwirl posted:I think his refusal to do alternate takes for a potential CGI Grogu saved that show. I think if you have Herzog on set, you ignore his advice at your own peril. At lest now that he's mellowed out, that is.
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Nessus posted:My guess is the "flavor" mismatch between "goofy kungfu fights between improbable fighters' and "actual, serious, philosophical perspectives on reality. The Matrix didn't have nearly the same level of philosophical or emotional depth. I mean it's there if you look for it (the trans narrative, etc) but it's not up front and it's still primarily an action movie. This, though -- like, on twitter or facebook every article I see about this film is FILLED with immensely hostile comments. People seem to genuinely hate it. I wonder if it's primarily that it clashes directly with and even challenges and attacks the conventions people who go see "art house independent" films generally want. There's no handsome British people speaking in clipped accents; there's no long slow dramatic pan shots. It's the exact tonal opposite of something like a Merchant Ivory film.
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“Dr strange 2 looks dated” Yeah that’s why it’s actually kinda cool idiot
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The Matrix didn't have nearly the same level of philosophical or emotional depth. I mean it's there if you look for it (the trans narrative, etc) but it's not up front and it's still primarily an action movie.
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I think some people clash with the maximalism of it - it can be pretty overwhelming and if you're not note the mood for that it's like hanging out with someone with really bad ADD issues while you have a headache. I know at least one person who was turned off by the toxic family dynamic and that art the end Evelyn's still pretty awful even if she's making progress.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I enjoyed it enough, but I also just wanted to appreciate the Raimi-ness of it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but nowhere near as much as EEAAO. The best parts honestly were the most Sam Raimi bits, like Bruce Campbell Pizza Poppa, Scarlet Witch murking the Illuminati, and the resurrected Zombie Strange taking control of the not-Deadites and I felt, not enough creative multiverse antics and not enough Raimi.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:But a lot of film people just *hate* it. I really want to understand why. It isn't just the maximalism, the same people often love Luhrmans Elvis. Is it the crass humor? Can people really just not handle potty jokes in their art? All of the above. I think it's the overall tonal chaos, of which the crass humor is a part. It's constant emotional whiplash between absurdly silly or juvenile moments and really sincere character drama, and I think there's a viewer who finds that more alienating than engaging. Especially for an "Oscar-winning drama" about inter-generational conflict, you expect something like Minari that's extremely restrained and reverent. But this movie threads that story into this crowd-pleasing genre exercise with kung fu fights and sci-fi poo poo and, like, a Pixar parody. I suspect the people who hate this movie probably have a discomfort with "not knowing how they're supposed to feel," and refused to engage with the family drama at its center because of how jarring and self-aware and comedic the other elements ended up being.
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and part its being culturally asian in some aspects and doesn't apologize for it. how dare they.
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Ah yes, people who don't like the movie are racist. Of course.
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BB2K posted:Ah yes, people who don't like the movie are racist. Of course.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I think some people clash with the maximalism of it - it can be pretty overwhelming and if you're not note the mood for that it's like hanging out with someone with really bad ADD issues while you have a headache. I know at least one person who was turned off by the toxic family dynamic and that art the end Evelyn's still pretty awful even if she's making progress. Yeah I think this is it, and also if you're cynical to the point that you're not willing to go along with the conceit of the movie you're probably going to find it really saccharine.
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You’ve got to be some narcissistic snowflake to hear about racists hating this film and then go “Oh yeah ALL of us are racists, sure.” The tabloids and right wing media and Twitter are hot with the “Oscars gone WOKE” narrative but no, when we talk about racists we’re obviously referring to you very specifically. Of course.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:For those of us who live in India where TikTok is banned, what is the video saying? the scene where evelyn realises that she loves everything about waymond, and is looking at him with love. he turns around confused to see what evelyn is looking at because he did not think she would ever look at him like that
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Talorat posted:Yeah I think this is it, and also if you're cynical to the point that you're not willing to go along with the conceit of the movie you're probably going to find it really saccharine.
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Hype is generally never a good thing especially not for a movie that imo falls into the category of 'genuine art', you have to engage the movie in its own terms, it's rollercoaster and you kind of have to hold on, it was really obvious to me in the RLM critique that the hype for the movie made them approach it with certain expectations and it's really a movie that defies expectations, it's so much its own thing that if you start approaching it with a perspective of trying to categorize it and critique it you probably aren't going to get the most of it, it's really fortunate though that it seems like a great many people were able to engage with the movie and appreciated what a joyous loving experience it is, an ode to loving what you already have in your life, obviously it's saccharine but so loving what? Imagine is a saccharine song but it's still great and most people don't experience it is a ridiculous communist construction like Ben Shapiro insists it is. Whatever, I'm rambling here. I think it's a really good movie and I think it even transcends that and kind of asks the audience "do you have any reason not to be kinder to the people in your life?", I think some people are just not comfortable with the question, with the movie passing such obvious judgement about behaviors which are really quite common.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think it's a really good movie and I think it even transcends that and kind of asks the audience "do you have any reason not to be kinder to the people in your life?", I think some people are just not comfortable with the question, with the movie passing such obvious judgement about behaviors which are really quite common.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Hype is generally never a good thing especially not for a movie that imo falls into the category of 'genuine art', you have to engage the movie in its own terms, it's rollercoaster and you kind of have to hold on, it was really obvious to me in the RLM critique that the hype for the movie made them approach it with certain expectations and it's really a movie that defies expectations, it's so much its own thing that if you start approaching it with a perspective of trying to categorize it and critique it you probably aren't going to get the most of it, it's really fortunate though that it seems like a great many people were able to engage with the movie and appreciated what a joyous loving experience it is, an ode to loving what you already have in your life, obviously it's saccharine but so loving what? Imagine is a saccharine song but it's still great and most people don't experience it is a ridiculous communist construction like Ben Shapiro insists it is. Whatever, I'm rambling here. Think of anything you like, but now imagine everyone telling you that it's the best thing ever and they should drop everything to try and experience it - how can that not lead to inevitable disappointment?
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I realized that hype is stupid and if someone raves about it I just go cool yeah happy for ya and watch it on my own terms. I just think “it’s not as good as people said” is a really dull way to discuss a movie because it’s not even coming from a real opinion but other peoples
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I had a friend tell me to go see it ASAP but that was also the first I'd heard of the film, so I was like "sure, trusted friend" but that may have been early in the Hype Cycle.
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So, I haven't explored the blu-ray yet, but is there a dubbed version of the film? I want to show the movie to someone, but they have dyslexia and I'm concerned the subtitled sections may be difficult. This isn't a preference thing, but an accessibility thing.
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carticket posted:So, I haven't explored the blu-ray yet, but is there a dubbed version of the film? I want to show the movie to someone, but they have dyslexia and I'm concerned the subtitled sections may be difficult. This isn't a preference thing, but an accessibility thing. Back in middle school we made our Japanese friend translate Japanese for us in real time as we watched the bootleg anime tapes his dad brought back from business trips to Japan This is your chance to read them out loud for your friend
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Vegetable posted:You’ve got to be some narcissistic snowflake to hear about racists hating this film and then go “Oh yeah ALL of us are racists, sure.” "Somebody somewhere you've never met did a racism." "gently caress you! I'm not racist!" Like, okay? I didn't think that before, but I loving *definitely* do now.
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carticket posted:So, I haven't explored the blu-ray yet, but is there a dubbed version of the film? I want to show the movie to someone, but they have dyslexia and I'm concerned the subtitled sections may be difficult. This isn't a preference thing, but an accessibility thing. My mum had issues initially because she's terrible at reading subtitles, but while she didn't understand a lot of the chinese dialog she got enough on an idea and followed the movie well enough for the ending to resonate.
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https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7211992474686885163 Pretty good for a 96 year old
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I asked my FB feed to tell me why they didn't like EEAAO and I dunno, it really seems to me like a failure to engage, some people 'liked it' but said it was something like a 'fun little nonsense movie' (???) others said it failed to have any coherent plot (????) some said it was confusing (the movie explains itself constantly, jesus christ), some boomers complained about the multiverse conceit being too far fetched (it's a legit philosophical inquiry what the hell) and that if there are infinite universes nothing matters anyway so who cares about the story (what the gently caress). Anyway, yeah, it's a good thing this movie is so amazing that so many people DID get it, seems inevitable that of course some folks won't get what's going on especially if they're going to spend half their time on their phones complaining about the movie not meeting their expectations or whatever, really can't explain it, you kind of just have to make it through the first IRS scene for the rollercoaster ride to start, it's like 15 minutes into the movie.
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I know someone who didn't like it because it was too much fighting and not enough talking. She's not a huge fan of martial arts fights.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:I know someone who didn't like it because it was too much fighting and not enough talking. She's not a huge fan of martial arts fights.
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It’s okay that people don’t like the films you like
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My friend quit watching a short ways in because she didn’t like how they were yelling at each other so much.
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Martman posted:Did you inform her that martial arts fights are badass?
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It's ok if people don't like the movie, some people don't like things, i also thought it was ok to ask them why they didn't like it, I didn't argue with them, I just asked, with that said I did find that a lot of the criticism was pretty silly, a bit "cinema sins" in its nature.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I asked my FB feed to tell me why they didn't like EEAAO and I dunno, it really seems to me like a failure to engage, some people 'liked it' but said it was something like a 'fun little nonsense movie' (???) others said it failed to have any coherent plot (????) some said it was confusing (the movie explains itself constantly, jesus christ), some boomers complained about the multiverse conceit being too far fetched (it's a legit philosophical inquiry what the hell) and that if there are infinite universes nothing matters anyway so who cares about the story (what the gently caress). Yeah, I feel like there's a gap here where people who feel "art movies" and "fun movies" are inherently separate things just reflexively put this in the "fun movie" category in their heads and that somehow prevents them from considering it as art. Vonnegut ran into the same problem early in his career which is why he stopped marketing himself as a science fiction writer.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:and that if there are infinite universes nothing matters anyway so who cares about the story (what the gently caress). If there were infinite universes and I had a way to move between them, it would probably cause me existential crisis about why I do anything or what anything means.
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Skwirl posted:If there were infinite universes and I had a way to move between them, it would probably cause me existential crisis about why I do anything or what anything means.
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Simply Simon posted:They should make a movie about this A pedo made a tv show about it
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Simply Simon posted:They should make a movie about this Let's call it The Movie Where I Became A Rock
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