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Monglo posted:The supernatural isn't real. The visuals are just an expression of how the people perceived the world. If it was real, then we we wouldn't have had the burial mound fight double scene. I dunno. The sword being stuck in the scabbard for different people has to be supernatural. It reads like they wanted to have it both ways. Spermando fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Back when men were men. When’s the last time you’ve seen a dude carrying around a princely orb? You never do anymore, they just carry around their friggen phones
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Spermando posted:I dunno. The sword being stuck in the scabbard for different people has to be supernatural. It reads like they wanted to have it both ways. I agree, from what I heard Eggers say in various interviews, he loves mysticism, "magick" and all that new age-y stuff, but is still on the materialistic side of things. Being authentic to history is extremely important to him, so I dont believe he would include supernatural, as an element that has any effect in his stories besides being a cultural background to the characters and their worldview. The story still works if we think of it, as a retelling of a saga - something written down by people sharing the views of the characters: English settlers, seamen, Vikings. Monglo fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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BB2K posted:because it was at the gates of hell Yeah there were two conditions, night or the gates. If anyone was looking for something more long form along the same vein I would recommend the manga series The Vinland Saga. The bones are the same, young boy witnesses his father's murderer, swears revenge but the manga goes further in examining what happens after the revenge is over.
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did anyone pick up where Amleth's OG kingdom was supposed to be? I googled "Hrafnsey" and I'm just getting a town in Iceland
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God Hole posted:did anyone pick up where Amleth's OG kingdom was supposed to be? I googled "Hrafnsey" and I'm just getting a town in Iceland I believe they say it's Norway.
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I thought it was fine. Easily my least favorite Eggers. People screaming "SILENCE!!!!" and "LIES!!!!!" at each other and then doing even more gutteral screaming for forty five seconds to amp themselves up for one of many epic boss fights reminded me of being ten years old and playing pretend in my back yard. For that reason I would classify this as a nostalgia flick in the tradition of American Graffiti or Superbad.
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Also I believe this is the source. The trip to England in particular I like.Saxo’s Amleth story – a summary posted:King Rørik of Denmark appoints two brothers, Horwendil and Fengo, as the rulers of Jutland. Horwendil slays the King of Norway, marries King Rørik’s daughter Gerutha, and they have a son named Amleth. Consumed by envy of his brother, Fengo murders Horwendil and marries his wife Gerutha. Amleth then feigns madness, clothing himself in rags and spouting nonsense, to shield himself from his uncle’s violence. In fact, the name ‘Amleth’ itself means ‘stupid’.
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drat they named their kid dumbass?
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Interesting story, cool to see source. Seems Eggers went with more of Hamlet for this. Which makes sense as he wanted more familiarity and tragedy. Glad he added viking drugs.
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Bit of a disappointment for me after really enjoying The Lighthouse. Still, I thought the trailer was kinda tiresome in the exact same way that the film turned out to be kinda tiresome, so i guess I only have myself to blame  This was just... unremittingly macho, I guess. Lots and lots of manly shouting. It was a slog. I agree with the up-thread unfavourable comparisons to The Green Knight. I wanted more weirdness. The most interesting presences were Kidman, Taylor-Joy, William Dafoe, and Claes Bang. I wanted more of their perspectives on the story, and less of Amleth. I think part of the problem might be Alexander Skarsgård? I've only ever seen him in Succession, where he was fine. He's very buff and so on, but I just don't think he could carry this. He doesn't have star quality or charisma or whatever nebulous thing it is that makes people interesting to watch on screen for two hours. He can't carry the film when the plot is dragging in the second half, and I don't think he can't sell the ending as either triumphant--from his own perspective--or tragic--from the audience's. It's odd that the film doesn't do much with the "feigned madness" angle that's one of the most interesting aspects of Hamlet, and seemingly the original story too. It's what sets it apart from a generic revenge tale. Amleth as antic truth-teller and riddler could have been interesting. I wondered if maybe he would be channelling Dafoe's character a bit once he got to Fjolnir's farm, but I guess not. It would have been nice if Olga's character had been given more agency and more to do. It could've maybe worked if there had been a suggestion that she was manipulating Amleth, to some extent, in order to engineer her own escape from slavery, and then doing a bit of reverse-psychology on the boat in order to get shot of her dangerous psycho boyfriend. Kidman gets probably the best scene in the film but IMO it's too little, too late, which is a shame.
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DeimosRising posted:drat they named their kid dumbass? Dunno about Vikings specifically but there are a few cultures out there where they give kids dipshit nicknames for childhood that are then shed for “real” names upon becoming an adult, could be a similar situation. Anyway - loved the movie, not as much my taste as Lighthouse and very clearly a bit watered down compared to the Full Eggers, but still greatly enjoyed it. It is going to lose so much money regarding the slaves, yeah-they probably die of starvation and exposure, but if you remember the early scene, the freemen expect them all to die over winter anyway. Being slaves in fjolnir’s estate didn’t provide them any sort of meaningful protection, and they were expected to die of exposure as-is, so burning the longhouse down wasn’t really self destructive so much as a last bit of catharsis.
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Lobster Henry posted:Bit of a disappointment for me after really enjoying The Lighthouse. Still, I thought the trailer was kinda tiresome in the exact same way that the film turned out to be kinda tiresome, so i guess I only have myself to blame Agree with this whole post, but the bolded part is spot on. In the theater I couldn't stop wondering why they had chosen to suck the life out of the source material.
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I don’t see what fake madness adds when they are already real mad with revenge. Besides you get plenty of other “madness” with all the dreams, drugs, and shrunken Defoe head .
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:regarding the slaves, yeah-they probably die of starvation and exposure, but if you remember the early scene, the freemen expect them all to die over winter anyway. Being slaves in fjolnir’s estate didn’t provide them any sort of meaningful protection, and they were expected to die of exposure as-is, so burning the longhouse down wasn’t really self destructive so much as a last bit of catharsis. I recommend reading Independent People by Halldor Laxness if you're curious just how much it loving sucked to live in Iceland for pretty much the past one thousand years (also if you're in the mood for a genuinely fantastic book)
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I liked this more than the Lighthouse…but I may need to see the Lighthouse again cause I was drunk the first time. I thought this is the first movie Skarskard showed some growth or depth as an actor vs some of his past movies. This movie is a showcase of toxic hosed up masculinity
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I can’t make sense of Eggers making this movie except to say that everyone is hosed up (except maybe the girl)
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Movie was an elemental force onscreen. While we are awash in fantasy films that are readily unfantastical, we get this history-based film that is far more alien and unsettling in both form and content. Our own alienated positions in history, including wars that don’t feel like wars, clashes gorgeously with the characters’ deep-rootedness in family and Destiny.Woodenlung posted:Really surprised to hear him suggest he didnt have full creative freedom. and other people/press call it tame/watered down when it comes to gore and so on. There was some pretty brutal stuff that made that got to the people in the cinema. The guts falling out, that sword through the nose, the whole village including kids getting burnt alive, the torture, killing his own mom/step brother, and hell, his own mom trying to seduce him.... And uhm, am I out of my mind, or did we see Anya Taylor Joys chinchilla when she showed she had her period? That's interesting that the press thinks the violence was tamed down, but my guess is that the studio's pushback was not with the violence/sex, but other stuff like the English dialogue and the editing's effect on storytelling pace. DeimosRising posted:drat they named their kid dumbass? lol. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Eggers did say in a recent interview he wanted penis again and couldn’t. He was also forced to cut erect penis from the Lighthouse apparently to avoid nc 17. He conceded that point as he was already getting everything else he wanted
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At least we got the tilting shot of the lighthouse instead, which to me is a win.
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checkplease posted:Eggers did say in a recent interview he wanted penis again and couldn’t. He was also forced to cut erect penis from the Lighthouse apparently to avoid nc 17. He conceded that point as he was already getting everything else he wanted Interview I read he did say that while the berserker scene would have been more accurate with them nude he realizes it would have also been distracting to have dongs swinging everywhere.
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We can only hope their is a deleted scene roll of swinging dongs on the physical release
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Why do you want penis so much?
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Eggers's work seems preoccupied with the underlying question of what motivates human beings (but particularly men) - these machines of bone and gristle and blood but also of ideology and faith and need - to suffer the punishing ecology of the earth and the whims of other human beings (but particularly men). Onscreen penis, flaccid or erect, only strengthens this element of the text
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I really enjoyed Ethan Hawke’s line about the unknowable world of women. Can’t recall exactly how it went, but very well written. Also the phrase: “women’s tide” in reference to menstruation. I’m sure that’s an old one but it got me to crack a grin.
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The Kingfish posted:I really enjoyed Ethan Hawke’s line about the unknowable world of women. Can’t recall exactly how it went, but very well written. Also the phrase: “women’s tide” in reference to menstruation. I’m sure that’s an old one but it got me to crack a grin. I think he said men shouldn't practice women's magic, which apparently was a very dishonourable thing in the viking age. And then you see his brother doing just that in his little temple.
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Monglo posted:Why do you want penis so much? Is this some kind of sick joke?
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Spermando posted:I think he said men shouldn't practice women's magic, which apparently was a very dishonourable thing in the viking age. And then you see his brother doing just that in his little temple. Could you recount that for me? I took the line to mean something along the lines of: “the women are up the same insane poo poo that we are right now and you can never understand it.” The obvious implication being that women have their own secret internal spiritual/ritual life. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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I don't remember the exact line but I think it is in reference to the common notion in Norse Viking Age culture that only women can practice magic without breaking major norms. Not all magic is permitted for women, but no magic is permitted for men.
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I don't remember the exact quote from the film, but I do remember that at the time it made me think of this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFkPaoafBo
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Monglo posted:Why do you want penis so much? Because we're gay, monglo Also it's a little bit weird they're fine with a menstruating vaginaslap but not hanging dong
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Hope Eggers gets to do his next lower budget, more freedom movie with all the penis he wants. Im bit of a prude so it will make me uncomfortable, if its too much penis though.
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Monglo posted:Hope Eggers gets to do his next lower budget, more freedom movie with all the penis he wants. Im bit of a prude so it will make me uncomfortable, if its too much penis though. Dehumanise yourself and face to penis.
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I do feel the penis is more of a taboo for some reason. Hollywood has no problem sexualizing women and their bodies but it feels a very sort of men don’t want to look at men’s penis’ kind of thing coming from a male perspective.
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The berserker ritual seemed fun and I want to do that with friends. Don't want to do the rest of the viking stuff though.
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phew goddamn what a movie. I can't remember the last movie that felt this old-school epic. the mysticism felt authentic and visceral in a way that I've never felt before. I got why their worship was so important to them. the early scene with the wolf howling was so playful until it suddenly wasn't and I felt it right alongside Amleth
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Just saw this with gf at her request, had no expectations. I'm not mad at it, but I was definitely waiting for it to end by a certain point. I felt a bit like it was treating me as a 15 year old playing Halo on Xbox live, or watching WWF. Reminded me of 300 (which I watched under similar circumstances and loving hated). Maybe I'm just not enough of a student of cinema to pick up on what it was trying to say. Mostly I just didn't care about any of the characters or their motivations, and was not expecting/wanting long life or happiness for any of them (except maybe Olga). Every moment after she departed I just really wanted it to be over so I could leave. It was just really bleak and violent, and often visually too dark to recognize characters (theater issue?) I've never read or seen hamlet but I still knew nearly exactly what would happen. Things I liked or appreciated: I got a sense that this was probably an accurate appraisal of the chaos and violence of life in this time and place, it was effectively immersive in that sense. Olga loving rocks and I loved her fearless contempt towards Fjulnir, and furious wind prayer. The scenes with mysticism and supernatural events actually captured my interest, but ultimately were under represented and felt intended to string me along. If they were simply there to demonstrate the main characters motivations or worldview, that fell flat because I didn't care about him whatsoever. His introduction juxtaposing the savage and violent parallels between him and his uncle was obvious but not compelling as it fell into its predictable pattern. More magic and more Olga, less gore and oily men screaming (they can crawl around growling and howling though that was interesting). And I giggled at the volcano fight finale, but then I was fully checked out by then. Guess it wasn't for me. To be fair ive never heard of Eggers or seen his other films,and in fact don't voluntarily watch any new movies that aren't MCU so I may just have terrible taste. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Apr 30, 2022 |
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BRJurgis posted:Just saw this with gf at her request, had no expectations. I'm not mad at it, but I was definitely waiting for it to end by a certain point. Makes more sense if you think of it like Aranofsky’s The Wrestler, where Marisa Tomei is like Mickey Rourke let’s just make a normal life together and please stop wrestling because you’re destroying your mind and body and Rourke’s like sure okay But then Rourke hears his name being chanted by his fans and he’s like aww poo poo here come the horns and he goes diving back into the ring Eggers first two films were so good I can’t imagine this being just a macho slaughterfest. He has to have an angle.
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